Chemtrail Debunkers....

Originally posted by coyotepoet

Here's another page from the same site with doppler radar.

www.watchthesky.org...

Wait a minute. Phage? Network Dude? Aren't you the same guys that jump on every single chemtrail thread as quickly and vehemently as you can?

edit on 17-3-2011 by coyotepoet because: (no reason given)

edit on 17-3-2011 by coyotepoet because: second link

Hate to tell you, but small particles like that, do not show up on radar. If you think airplanes up up there showered down some nefarious powder, guess what, you will not see it on radar. And your website lists that cirrus clouds will not show up, which is correct. But radars are designed so that no clouds show up, and for those very same reasons, your "chemtrails" will not either.

If you think anything that size would show up on radar, then anytim there was any fog, any clouds, or dust storms, the radar would be rendered useless.

reply to post by Mayura


Wrong, wrong, and still wrong. The phenomena of colors in clouds, properly called iridescence, is something known and studied for a long time. It happens quite often and has a purely natural source, as do all spectrums...light refracting through water droplets or ice crystals. Yep, water is a prism. It takes no chemicals to make these colors, it takes light at a specific angle through enough water/ice for you to see. As such, colors in clouds are local to your viewpoint only; just follow it a while and you will see the color fade as the angle of view changes.
It is not new, or a product of airplanes, either. How do I know? Well, the colors are shown in many paintings of clouds, from several hundreds years ago. Do a seach of clouds in art and you will see pictures of all kinds of things attributed to both 'chemtrails" and HAARP.
Science has talked about it as well. Here's a Link:
On the Cause of Iridescence in Clouds
What is the mechanism needed for colors in the sky? Here is a link to a site describing all the Atmospheric Optical phenomena. You should look around the entire site, but I've linked to the pertinent page:
Atmospheric Optics, Iridescent Clouds

Seeing color in clouds is a natural, normal thing. In order to use it as proof of "chemtrails", you would have to have tests that showed that particular cloud is somehow "chem-" or show something that cannot be reproduced as a natural phenomenon. Just taking pictures only shows someone knew how to use a camera.

Originally posted by Mayura
reply to post by gloomyblue707

 

Yucky stuff... the pictures on that site don't link well, but I understand.

Rainbow clouds like that are showing a pesticide called ethylene dibromide, which has been added to jet fuel once again. Now, even normal contrails exhibit rainbows. This pesticide has detrimental effects on the immune system and quickly contaminates the environment. Taking the necessary measures to strengthen your immune system is what I recommend. I started eating raw food and taking supplements, haven't been sick in ages. "Natural Cures They Don't Want You To Know About" is a great book.

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You sound no different than Crazy Rainbow Lady. Except that she claimed rainbows are from metallic oxides in our water supply. You think think are caused by ethylene dibromide, which is not added to jet fuel, its added to GASOLINE. Yes, the very same gasoline you put in your vehicle. You result in emissions of that, not aircraft burning jet fuell

How has science so disdained by chemtrailers, that they refuse to believe anything in diffraction of light? Sundogs and moondogs have always been around, but to chemtrailers who apparently claim to be always watching the skies, they never happened until recently. That means its time for Crazy Rainbow Lady video.

This woman is a hardcore chemtrailer too

Originally posted by gloomyblue707
Its almost like people are questioning what i saw because they dont want me to believe what i saw... i like a good debate but attacking someones belief or comprehension of something because they havent provided enough information for you is ridiculous ... you guys are too much. I dont expect you to believe me just hear me out and decide for yourself which you have already done... Im off this thread... i thought People were actually going to discuss chemtrails here without people slamming them for what they saw... its up to you whether you think its chemtrails or not ... not me

Well how about instead of trying to debate with your perceptions, feelings, emotions and beliefs, why not argue with facts, information, science and data.

If a chemtrailer can show a picture of a modified aircraft meant for their chemtrail conspiracy, or show a low flying airplane making a big trail, or can give me some real science, I am all open to it. However, I really do not care about peoples feelings and fears of airplanes and clouds.

reply to post by donatellanator


blended it with other industrial waste products to make a specification fuel with exceptionally high thermal energy value.

Did you read the actual words.....they mixed the napalm in to make a more potent fuel....not to make a fictional chemtrailjeeze.

reply to post by firepilot


i like how you try to discredit my experience by showing some crazy lady. thanks I almost knew that was coming but like i said you debunkers have fun here.. this thread is obviously yours... people who have things to say about chemtrails are not welcome to state the facts because people like you always wana dismiss them as being a freak and having paranoid thoughts and emotions... well thats nice. whos laughing?.... me... keep telling yourself theres no solid evidence. anytime anyone has anything to say they are always dismissed immidiatly by debunkers... thats for sure. I like the comment the guy said about worried about having clean air... thats what my concern is because i have kids.

reply to post by stars15k


Starz15, I agree with you that water is a prism and it takes no chemicals to create the refraction of light to create a rainbow. But the introduction of chemicals does make it more likely to happen.

Take a puddle of water on the ground, pour a few drops of oil into that puddle and all of a sudden an iridescent rainbow colored film appears.

reply to post by MathiasAndrew


nope.......the colors of oil on a puddle are from the oil, not the water.
Try again.
To give your statement any credibility, you still need to prove there is a "chem-" component. Not just an apples to oranges comparison.

Originally posted by jdub297
reply to post by gloomyblue707

 

Your opinion that your experience is somehow the result of "chemtrails" is an opinion, nothing more.


jw

I came across this site about the time this string began. My brother worked in jet engine repair at Tinker AFB and told me about chemtrials in the 70's. I just looked on Wikipedia just now for contrails because I know that after 9-11 the temperature of the earth rose (very significantly) when no planes were in the air. Right befor the section: September 11, 2001 climate impact study, there is a section on: Vapour trails or contrails and climate which list a single study, disputing quite a few, that says contrails have a warming effect... two opinions... maybe.

If anyone took time to read into the Boulder gathering it is obvious that the mainstream is interested in climate control using vapors. Why shouldn't government and the industrial skunks be there first; it must be fact that contrails effect the climate, one way or the other.

I followed this string because it started as a was to discus, not dis. It looks like 1/2 of it is dis, and 1/4 is defense, and on a 1/4 of what me and others want to participate in.

Why don't you start your own string to do nothing but disrespect or opinion? I promise not to post there, if you do not wish to be on the defensive and just deny what is very likely happening (not all the time, but has and will be happening: Chemtrials)

reply to post by MathiasAndrew


The film of oil is not rainbow coloured any more than water droplets are rainbow coloured.

thin film interference on wiki - en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by gloomyblue707
reply to post by firepilot

 

i like how you try to discredit my experience by showing some crazy lady. thanks I almost knew that was coming but like i said you debunkers have fun here.. this thread is obviously yours... people who have things to say about chemtrails are not welcome to state the facts because people like you always wana dismiss them as being a freak and having paranoid thoughts and emotions... well thats nice. whos laughing?.... me... keep telling yourself theres no solid evidence. anytime anyone has anything to say they are always dismissed immidiatly by debunkers... thats for sure. I like the comment the guy said about worried about having clean air... thats what my concern is because i have kids.

Again, you have no evidence, especially this solid evidence you claim. Your post is full of emotions, perceptions, fears, but not evidence. (corrected it to remove statement attributed to someone else)

And the air is getting CLEANER in the last 40 years, not worse, especially in the US. Its some chemtrailer mantra that the air is horrible, and people are just dying left and right from it. But mysteriously, no one has ever found ground level pollution that is sourced back to high level aircraft. Do you actually think if you sample ground level air, that its going to be primarily pollution from high flying aircraft? Chemtrailer think so, all the while ignoring the cars that drive around them and the power plants that make electricity for them to be on ATS with

Originally posted by zipcode80013
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If anyone took time to read into the Boulder gathering it is obvious that the mainstream is interested in climate control using vapors. Why shouldn't government and the industrial skunks be there first; it must be fact that contrails effect the climate, one way or the other.

that is true - there are a lot of people in the "mainstream" interested in what might be achieved by this, and also by other measures.

the problem is that people are asserting that it is already being done, has been for 15 or more years, it is a secret, it is designed to poison us all, it magnifies HAARP, etc., etc.

The interest and research is not a secret!!

reply to post by jdub297

Which people are sick? Where are they located? Who treats and diagnoses them? Who prescribed their treatment? Sick of what illness? Caused by what, when and over what time period?

www.cdc.gov...

More Americans than ever before say they are suffering from asthma, according to a report released today by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. In 1993 and 1994, an average of 13.7 million persons reported that they experienced asthma-related conditions. Based on trends for the past 15 years, CDC estimates that today more than 15 million Americans suffer from asthma. The increase in asthma cases and deaths affects all ages, spans across all racial groups and occurs throughout the U.S.

or Morgellons (though the jury is still out on it's ultimate cause)

www.bariumblues.com...

My point with the Rumsfeld stuff wasn't to give you more derailing questions to ask but to point out that the pharmaceutical industry, the military industrial complex, and the government are in bed with each other.

The rest is just the same bs "show me the proof" line that the rest of the debunkers use.

reply to post by coyotepoet



So chemtrails started increasing the incidence of asthma from 1960, and there was no effect from, say, automobile and industrial pollution?

And why shouldn't people ask for evidence? Are you saying that it is wrong to do so?

reply to post by firepilot


now you are spewing off saying things i never even thought of... LOL You claimed Ethylene Dibromide is a part of jet fuel, and its not. But you hid from people that its an additive for gasoline.
WHERE IN ANY OF MY CONVO DID I STATE ANY OF THESE WORDS YOU CLAIM I SAID? I DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT THE HECK ETHELENE BLAH BLAH IS... wow...

Just for kicks note that this thread was started yesterday and already it is up to 13 pages, most of which is from the debunkers immediately attacking anybody that posts their agreement with the chemtrail phenomenon, effectively stopping any kind of real discussion on the issues by forcing the "chemmies" as we are derisively called to go on the defensive and keeping us from engaging in any meaningful discussion amongst ourselves which was the whole point of Mathias asking you guys to take your attacking BS elsewhere. Good job Stars 15k, Phage, Network Dude, Firepilot, Alosious the Gaul etc, (the same names that appear on every chemtrail thread around) your masters must be proud.

EITHER YOU MISTAKEN SOMEONE ELSES WORDS FOR MY OWN or there is some serious dis information propaganda going on here on at ATS lol... I am not at all surprised because i have encountered this in debates over on facebook with big oil.. money drives the world right?

Originally posted by gloomyblue707
reply to post by firepilot

 

now you are spewing off saying things i never even thought of... LOL You claimed Ethylene Dibromide is a part of jet fuel, and its not. But you hid from people that its an additive for gasoline.
WHERE IN ANY OF MY CONVO DID I STATE ANY OF THESE WORDS YOU CLAIM I SAID? I DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT THE HECK ETHELENE BLAH BLAH IS... wow...

I went back and looked and you are correct. The way it looked when I quoted Mayura who I guess had quoted you, it appeared that it was you that said it, not him, from the crazy rainbow lady message. I removed that from the message and mentioned the statement and been mistakenly attributed to you.

But I do think the reason that chemtrailers are embarrased about Crazy Rainbow Lady is not what she says, because she isnt not saying anything unusual for them, much of what she said you can find in this thread in these last pages. Its just that she seems so foolish and insane, that it makes them all look silly, even if they actually still agree with her.

Originally posted by coyotepoet
Just for kicks note that this thread was started yesterday and already it is up to 13 pages, most of which is from the debunkers immediately attacking anybody that posts their agreement with the chemtrail phenomenon, effectively stopping any kind of real discussion on the issues by forcing the "chemmies" as we are derisively called to go on the defensive

Yeah -t's tough when people ask you to provide actual proof for your baseless assertions!

If there was any actual evidence you'd be able to provide it, right?? you'd actually answer the question - then we would go away - simple.....

and keeping us from engaging in any meaningful discussion amongst ourselves which was the whole point of Mathias asking you guys to take your attacking BS elsewhere. Good job Stars 15k, Phage, Network Dude, Firepilot, Alosious the Gaul etc, (the same names that appear on every chemtrail thread around) your masters must be proud.

I am quite proud of myself acctually.

A mod has been on this thread and noted that you do not have the right to say who can and can't post on "your" therad, so if you want a queit fireside chat among yourselves you need to take it private, or to one of the many chemtail hoax boards that censor posts so no dissenting voice is heard.

reply to post by firepilot


Starred because you admitted the mistake and publically corrected it - something Matty could take lessons on!