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It's absolutely one of the most puzzling cases there is, for me. I have no explanation. I do have some wild speculation which probably isn't worth much more than anyone else's wild speculation, so I tend to keep that to myself.
Originally posted by BLKMJK
reply to post by Scramjet76
Damn lol! I just check out the 1976 Iran incident that you posted. That is pretty crazy! I thought your post on the matter was well done, I'm surprised there has not been more discussion on it in your thread.
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
It's absolutely one of the most puzzling cases there is, for me. I have no explanation. I do have some wild speculation which probably isn't worth much more than anyone else's wild speculation, so I tend to keep that to myself.
Originally posted by BLKMJK
reply to post by Scramjet76
Damn lol! I just check out the 1976 Iran incident that you posted. That is pretty crazy! I thought your post on the matter was well done, I'm surprised there has not been more discussion on it in your thread.
Probably the reason the thread didn't get more attention is that it's a duplicate thread, the original in the UFO thread directory is here:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
This is the link to the directory: www.abovetopsecret.com... There are usually other threads around on the same subject but they tried to select the best threads for that list.
One saying you sometimes hear in this field is "pictures or it didn't happen" which you can't take too literally, since I don't think anyone in this thread doubts that you described exactly what you saw happen, so I think it refers to the fact that the camera sometimes reveals things the human eye doesn't.
And unfortunately the Iran case is simultaneously one of the best cases, but also one of the worst cases in that there's no photographic evidence that I'm aware of. Just to give you an example of why that's important, if we didn't have videotape of the Phoenix Lights (the 10pm event), that would have become as big a mystery as the Iran case. Because someone got a good video of the 10pm lights, we were able to determine exactly what they were (a few people still have doubts but most people now admit the lights have been conclusively identified). So, I often wonder, if we had video of the Iran 1976 event like we do of the Phoenix lights 10pm event, if the video might have helped identify what they saw in Iran like the video helped us identify what they saw in Phoenix. I guess we'll never know.
Originally posted by Erno86
All of a sudden, the whole eastern sky lit up when a cicular shaped, reddish orange colored fireball descended from low lying cloud cover. The driver instantly pointed his right hand toward the object, as I did the same. My party chief had hiis head turned towards me when the fiery ball with no tail or smoke first appeared but he turned his head to the front enough to catch the rest.
It one of the most beautiful things I ever saw in my life. Descending, perpendicular to Earth, straight down [approx: 25 to 40 mph]. About a mile away [ approx. 500 to 1,000 feet in diameter.[approx. diameter of your fist all the way extended.
It seemed to have landed just beyond the mountain range in front of us, as we saw the foofighter disappear over the top of the ridge at the mountain in front of us.
My party chief said the fiery object was a meteorite. If that was a meteroite, it would have left a crater a thousand feet deep, and the impact would have shaken the Spinx.
The Phoenix lights consisted of two events, one at 8:30 and one at 10pm. The later one is solved, but without video of the 8:30pm event it's not solved, though the one video I saw that claims to be of the 8:30pm event just looks like planes to me, but it's of such poor quality it's inconclusive.
Originally posted by BLKMJK
Brother your clarity of thought is much respected. I was not impressed with the Phoenix lights. Without digging into it too much it looks like flares. I am stumped with the case in 1976 with the ball chasing the pilot but who knows. It is exiting but as you say "without the pics?" What is the most intriguing case you have studied that puzzles you?
One theory is the flares were dropped at 10pm as a diversion for the earlier 8:30 pm event and I suppose we can't rule that out since the 8:30 pm event has never been solved.
Originally posted by Scramjet76
As for the Phoenix Lights, I know the superimposed video was great evidence for the flares theory. But it just seems too peculiar for the military to drop flares and 10k people to call in and things get so crazy that the mayor goes on live tv with someone dressed as an alien. I think there was much more to the Phoenix Lights than flares being dropped... Unless the Phoenixites have "war jitters" like in the Battle of LA...
But the 10pm event is still clear evidence that sometimes witnesses have no idea what they are looking at. It took a lot of time to convince people those were flares.
I suspect he was referring to the link in your signature- "Was the 1976 Tehran UFO related to alien abduction?" as I was.
Originally posted by Scramjet76
reply to post by BLKMJK
My thread? I have no thread on subject, just posting in this one.
Originally posted by BLKMJK
reply to post by C.H.U.D.
A million thanks my brother! Your post is well presented and makes allot of sense. I don't think I have ever learned so much in 2 days lol! I have a question if you do not mind. Can ball lighting appear in a room?
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
I suspect he was referring to the link in your signature- "Was the 1976 Tehran UFO related to alien abduction?" as I was.
I'm somewhat of an expert on electricity, but I don't think any expert on electricity claims to have an understanding of ball lightning, though there may be some exceptional cases we partially understand, like the following example, but whether "ball lightning" is the correct name for it is debatable.
Originally posted by C.H.U.D.
Originally posted by BLKMJK
Can ball lighting appear in a room?
I have not done any real research into ball lightning. ...Arbitrageur perhaps?
That's definitely a "plasma UFO", though it matches some descriptions of "ball lightning", but electrical engineers might say it could be related to Corona discharge
Originally posted by Psynarchist
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Even without anything interfering with the transmission line, very small amounts of plasma called a corona discharge can form under certain conditions, but then if something disturbs the electric field around the transmission line, the plasma could concentrate at the disturbance which appears to be the cause of what is seen in those photos. We'll never know the cause of that particular disturbance but it could be anything, possibly a spider building a web, or a kite string, or possibly an accomplice of the guy making the video threw something against the power line though it can happen without monkey business like that.
Corona discharge is the creation of ions in a fluid (such as air) by the presence of a strong electric field. Electrons are torn from neutral air, and either the positive ions or the electrons are attracted to the conductor, while the charged particles drift. This effect can cause considerable power loss, create audible and radio-frequency interference, generate toxic compounds such as oxides of nitrogen and ozone, and bring forth arcing.
That's accurate. If it exists, it's not understood. We're not really sure IF it exists naturally though
Given inconsistencies and the lack of reliable data, the true nature of ball lightning is still unknown.[3] Until recently, ball lightning was often regarded as a fantasy or a hoax, but some serious scientific discussions and theories have attempted to explain it.
Then they say
Laboratory experiments have produced effects that are visually similar to reports of ball lightning, but it is presently unknown whether these are actually related to any naturally occurring phenomenon.
I just showed what may be an example of that, though other people may call it ball lightning, I wouldn't. I'd call it something like a plasma discharge, but it does have some of the characteristics associated with ball lightning.
Its appearance has also been linked to power lines...
You should read up on the Wikipedia St Elmo's Fire entry too if you're interested in this stuff, but it appears at the top of objects like
as well as during thunderstorms and also calm weather. Ball lightning has been described as transparent, translucent, multicolored, evenly lit, radiating flames, filaments or sparks, with shapes that vary between spheres, ovals, tear-drops, rods, or disks.[33]
Ball lightning is often erroneously identified as St. Elmo's fire. They are separate and distinct phenomena.
tall, sharply pointed structures such as lightning rods, masts, spires and chimneys, and on aircraft wings. St. Elmo's fire can also appear on leaves, grass, and even at the tips of cattle horns.[3] Often accompanying the glow is a distinct hissing or buzzing sound.
The observations are so sporadic it's hard to document and without good documentation we can't really study it, analyze it, and figure out what it is. Even as regularly as Hessdalen lights appear we still haven't figured out what those are yet. Some people think those might be related to unique mineral composition in the soil which includes Scandium.
Some appear within buildings passing through closed doors and windows
I'm familiar with the piezoelectric effect so that possible cause may have some merit, and it could happen even if there's no earthquake if there happens to be a lot of tectonic stress.
An earthquake light is an unusual luminous aerial phenomenon that reportedly appears in the sky at or near areas of tectonic stress, seismic activity, or volcanic eruptions. Once commonly challenged, it was not until photographs were taken during the Matsushiro earthquake swarm in Nagano, Japan, from 1965 through 1967, that the seismology community acknowledged their occurrence.
Earthquake lights are caused by an unknown mechanism. There are numerous theories as to how and why they occur.
One explanation involves intense electric fields created piezoelectrically by tectonic movements of rocks containing quartz....
I had a home in Pennsylvania with high levels of Radon and had to install a radon mitigation system, but I'm not so sure about this possibility, it seems to me like it would take a hell of a lot of radon to make a glowing light and I'll be skeptical of this possibility until I see it documented. But a plasma-chemical reaction may be what's happening in Hessdalen for all I know, they do have unique minerals in the soil in that area and the lights do seem unique to that area so from that standpoint there's a possible connection to the local soil minerals. Scandium related minerals in particular are claimed to be unique to places like Scandanavia and Madagascar:
There is also debate in the scientific community regarding radon as a possible precursor to some earthquakes,[10] so another theory is that glowing clouds might be light emission produced by ionization or plasma-chemical reactions[11]
That's too interesting to rule out as a possible link to the Hessdalen lights.
scandium is distributed sparsely and occurs in trace amounts in many minerals.[5] Rare minerals from Scandinavia[6] and Madagascar[7] such as thortveitite, euxenite, and gadolinite are the only known concentrated sources of this element. Thortveitite can contain up to 45% of scandium in the form of scandium(III) oxide.
Originally posted by Orkojoker
reply to post by BLKMJK
I personally like the Kirtland Air Force Base case described by Dr. James McDonald in his lecture "Science in Default: Twenty-Two Years of Inadequate UFO Investigations", delivered before a symposium of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS).
You have two witnesses, both CAA tower observers, viewing a vertically-oriented, egg-shaped object descend toward the airfield and fly across several runways to a point where it stops and hovers motionless for a full minute less than 100 feet off the ground - witnesses viewing it through binoculars the whole time - before it suddenly takes off in a steep climb at a rate of speed described as "many time faster than any known jets."
Both witnesses, re-interviewed by McDonald several years after the incident, were adamant that the object in no way resembled an aircraft of any kind.
You can read Dr. McDonald's remarks on this case, and on the UFO phenomenon in general, here
I also like the Coast Guard sighting over Lake Erie as described in this official document
edit on 18-3-2011 by Orkojoker because: added link
Originally posted by BLKMJK
Wow! Dr McDonald's report gave me chills! That is crazy! How can something move at super sonic speed without making a boom? Have you made a thread about this case?]