Tokyo Evac + Market Crash Crisis Potentials Unfolding.

I am sorry that I am so strapped on time to really do this subject justice.

But we have all kinds of SHTF going on right now as I type this.

First we had a 9.1 EQ, then a 10 meter Tsunami, then multiple potential meltdowns; now we have fallout issues and the ensuing chaos of a possible Tokyo-Yokohama Metroplex Evacuation compiled into a global market crash scenario.

This is a cluster**** for sure.

First of all, Tokyo metro zone has over 30million inhabitants, and trying to form a orderly evacuation procedure will prove to become the largest logistics operation in the history of mankind. Make no mistakes about it, there are many reasons why the authorities are hesitant to call an outright evac. The most likely scenario that would develop in a Evac situation is that they will do it 1 section at a time, and try to keep the news under wraps so as not to alarm or frighten other sections of the city.

But we all know this will not work out too well. Like I said, the biggest logistics and organizational operation ever undertaken by the human race in our known history.

If you thought Operation Barbarossa was huge, that's nothing compared to the types of organization required to pull off a successful Tokyo evac.

Now onto the second major topic worth discussing in relation to this cluster.

The impending global market crash possibility. This is a huge potential, and it is becoming more apparent as the hours pass by what is really unfolding here right before our eyes.

Who in their right mind would stay invested in this system anymore? If Tokyo goes, that's a massive chunk of the world economic system down the tubes. This could lead into all kinds of ridiculous headless chicken syndromes.

What can be done? What can we do?
Would I recommend you keep your investments and risk losing everything while everyone else decides to pull out of the market? I don't know. This is highly complex and decisions are becoming very difficult to make rationally.

The only real suggestions I can give to folks are threefold.
#1) Make sure you get supplies if you don't have them already.
#2) Formulate disaster preparation plans now.
#3) Help other people and ensure that your friends, family, neighbors, are safe and also have plans/supplies.

We are discussing the potential evacuation of Tokyo, the largest city on Earth. The largest operation ever to be undertaken by the human race. This is it folks. We are at the fork in the road.

Which way do we go from here? Do we tell people to leave or to stay? Either way, we are looking at a disaster of which the scales we have never witnessed before.

For anyone fearing the fallout, don't be afraid, we already have legitimate and effective contingency PLANS available for everyone who wants information on how to protect themselves in the event they are in an area affected by fallout. Please review that information closely and take whatever actions you must in order to ensure your health and safety. Print copies and spread them around.

For the discussion thread about surviving fallout plans please check that thread.

I can't hardly keep up with the news it's coming in so fast and hard right now. We need everyone's help in finding solutions to these great problems developing around us globally right now.

Anyone who presents rational and logical solutions to these problems, I will spread your ideas far and wide. Please step up to the plate and take a swing at this. We need the heaviest hitters we can get here.

I know this is all very exiting and very frightening. But we MUST stay rational and reasonable.
It's our only hope.

Knowledge is power. It is a shield against disaster. Spread knowledge and information and solutions. Share them with everyone.

Please try to stay calm folks, I realize that the world is changing rapidly now and that tomorrow's world is going to face EXTREME challenges. We can overcome them if we can keep calm.

We are talking about Evacuating Tokyo, we are talking about Global market crash, we are talking about nuclear fallout, we are talking about 9.0+ EQ's and 30feet tsunamis. Oh the times are changing. Rapidly.

This is what defines humanity right here. The fork in the road.
Are we little more than headless chickens?

Or are we intelligent "civilized" beings capable of rational actions and problem solving?

Whatever you do, do NOT panic. Face your fears with knowledge.

I cant wait for the post on April 1st (AFD) where someone reports seeing Godzilla coming out of Tokyo harbor (with a faux study on the effects of radiation on accelerated growth in certain animal species). Not that any of this is funny but I couldnt resist.

Our whole Nuclear system is a just a happen waiting to accident
None of it appears to have been well thought out in the long term..

If the nuclear engineers who designed these plants didn't know about the solar lunar connection to earth quakes, and fault lines...
what eles don't they know?

PS you put DiNA in a tight pair of genes and God zililililila!

Originally posted by CosmicCitizen
I cant wait for the post on April 1st (AFD) where someone reports seeing Godzilla coming out of Tokyo harbor (with a faux study on the effects of radiation on accelerated growth in certain animal species). Not that any of this is funny but I couldnt resist.

No that's fine. In fact Godzilla was on TV last night.

Humor is a GREAT TOOL in the face of certain tragedy and despair.

Make people SMILE. Let's turn this ship around folks.

only question is where 30 million people will evacuate to?

really...

reply to post by muzzleflash


Tokyo is Upwind from the reactors.. they'd have to have a Westerly wind to have fallout reach Tokyo .. most of the fallout would fall within 5-10 miles of the reactor, but most being out at sea since the reactors are on the coast. California would get more radiation than Tokyo.

South West. The wind would have to be directly South, or blow out to sea then back at them going Southwest.

Originally posted by Danbones
Our whole Nuclear system is a just a happen waiting to accident
None of it appears to have been well thought out in the long term..

If the nuclear engineers who designed these plants didn't know about the solar lunar connection to earth quakes, and fault lines...
what eles don't they know?

Good points.

I know most people dislike Rumsfeld a lot, but he really made some great quotes.
This one applies perfectly here.

[T]here are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.

—Former United States Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld

The Unknown Unknowns are the greatest threat.

Knowledge is our only tool against outright disaster, and without even knowing we need to know something, we are in dire straights.

This is probably the first SHTF thread I have ever enjoyed. The possibility of evacuating a city like that is daunting when you think about it. My suggestion is send some to Canada, I have room for a small family as long as they don't mind cooking and cleaning.

In all seriousness I hope everything turns out for the best.

Originally posted by guessing
only question is where 30 million people will evacuate to?

really...

I assume the West coast of Honshu.

If you have any better suggestions, please feel free to share them.
We need every idea we can get here. Thanks.

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Star and Flag. I agree. As you stated on another post,and this one,being prepared is the only thing you can do. I personally am not one to doom and gloom,as I know from previous posts you also are not in that camp. But with so much going on,the markets could easily take a tumble for the worst. BE PREPARED for anything. I strongly agree.

TOKYO (AP) — Japan's central bank pumped billions more into the financial system Tuesday to quell fears that the country's banks could be overwhelmed by the impact of the massive earthquake and tsunami. Stocks slumped as a nuclear crisis escalated.

Two cash injections totaling 8 trillion yen ($98 billion) came a day after the Bank of Japan fed a record 15 trillion yen ($184 billion) into money markets and eased monetary policy to support the economy in the aftermath of Friday's 8.9 magnitude quake that has killed thousands.

The injections have helped stabilize currency markets. But stock markets dived for a second day as investors unloaded assets amid escalating worries of a nuclear crisis.

Japan feeds more money to banks as stocks slump

The nuclear crisis,will affect the worlds economy's. That is for sure.

reply to post by Rockpuck


News on evacs

When the embassies are hightailing out of somewhere that is usually a good indication that things have gotten bad.

The wind is moving at a speed of about two to three meters per second, said the official with the Japan Meteorological Agency who is based in Fukushima Prefecture, the location of three troubled reactors.

The French embassy in Tokyo warned in an 0100 GMT advisory that a low level of radioactive wind could reach Tokyo in about 10 hours, advising its citizens to leave the city.

The German embassy issued a "general advisory" urging all Germans and their relatives to register on a "crisis list" and to consider leaving Japan, especially those with families.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by muzzleflash

 

Tokyo is Upwind from the reactors.. they'd have to have a Westerly wind to have fallout reach Tokyo .. most of the fallout would fall within 5-10 miles of the reactor, but most being out at sea since the reactors are on the coast. California would get more radiation than Tokyo.

South West. The wind would have to be directly South, or blow out to sea then back at them going Southwest.

edit on 3/15/2011 by Rockpuck because: (no reason given)

The wind can change directions and other factors can increase the risk to Tokyo. It's not out of the question.

However, we can hope and pray that the fallout is taken out to the Pacific Ocean, where it will have time to dissipate and reduce it's potency away from human populations.

That is the BEST case scenario we have right now. It's that bad.

TOKYO - A Chinese government news agency says Beijing is organizing an evacuation of Chinese nationals from Japan's northeast following radiation leaks at a nuclear power plant.

The China News Service says the Chinese Embassy in Tokyo will send buses to evacuate Chinese from cities near Fukushima, where a nuclear plant was damaged by Friday's earthquake and tsunami. It said Tuesday they would be taken to airports to fly home to China.

The number of Chinese living in Japan's northeast was unclear, but the Chinese government initially said 40 were missing following last week's disaster.
R eport: China preparing evacuation of Chinese nationals from Japan's northeast

What about all those N-95 face masks everyone bought in the face of the bird flu/HiN1 outbreak?

I may be off base here, but the biggest threat from a nuke melt-down is the radioactive dust/particulates released into the air.

You can avoid eating and drinking them if you're careful, and you can wash them off your clothes and body if you need to. But breathing in the junk is what leads to the worst of the danger from radiation, ie. long term cancer risks.


If an N-95 mask can filter out a virus like H1N1, it should provide relatively cheap protection againstthe far larger radioactive particulate matter in the air.

my contribution to start I am very versatile in emergency situations however we are expecting exactly what we have been expecting but, not wanting to face the reality, that it is here; I would say, multiple small groups of people armed and with excellent people skills form small groups to be in their own groups -but, cooperating with a large consensual no back out game plan.to be able to coordinate and strategically prepare now and train daily plus urgent to move into emergency measures not such as a one man survival mode.

I would think that Tokyo will be on higher alert,once they figure how much radiation has escaped. Just thinking of a mass exodus,is mind boggling!

I don't think members on this forum in New Zealand or many other locations need to panic about nuclear fall out , so lets keep it rational ! Yes the markets will be interesting to watch , I don't feel sorry for anyone who gambles in these markets.However yes it could have a huge detrimental effect on the economy .How it effects peoples day to day lives could be quite severe as well as their reactions .

Originally posted by Bhadhidar
What about all those N-95 face masks everyone bought in the face of the bird flu/HiN1 outbreak?

Yes these face masks + perhaps typical heavy rain gear like a Poncho/coat is excellent first line of defense. But it is not meant to stay in the radiological zone. It is only a temporary solution to buy you enough time to travel a small distance. I highly recommend all protective gear and washing one's self diligently. Great post.

Originally posted by condition9
my contribution to start I am very versatile in emergency situations however we are expecting exactly what we have been expecting but, not wanting to face the reality, that it is here;

We need folks just like you Condition, so do whatever you can to help those around you currently, even if you are not affected directly by this event yet.

We need to get folks aware of the type of issues we are facing, and offer them solutions and ideas about how to make it through this while suffering the least amount possible.

Right now spreading information and solutions is our best bet since many of us are not in the locally affected region of Honshu Island.

There is much work to do, and our neighbors need to be ready in the event that the global markets take a serious nose dive which is totally possible at this point.

Food water and shelter.

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Thank you so much for posting that information, you are totally awesome and each of your contributions are extremely relevant and I am spreading the information within them as we speak.

You are on top of things and we need more people willing to get the ball rolling.

Consider that if Tokyo is to be evacuated, that means many other cities between Tokyo and the reactor (and surrounding areas around the reactor) will have to be evacuated.

This could end up being damn near half of Japan's 127million population.

There is no way that all those people could continue to live in Japan - there simply aren't enough living spaces elsewhere around the islands to hold that kind of population displacement.

Where they would go is anybodies guess.

The cost in fuel alone to move all those people would be enormous.

Don't forget - Tokyo would lose almost ALL of it's real estate value. Billionaires would lose everything - and this would have a HUGE effect on the global economy.

This is going to change the world as we know it. This is sort of a "The End of the World As We Know It" moments.