US Air Force WC-135 Detects Deadly Radiation Over Pacific (US in 24hrs)

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
It frightens me less that 40 year old reactors can perform better than designed under higher stress than expected.

Sorry folks - no mega-lizards out of Tokyo Bay on this one!

Good article

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by AllSeeingI

 

This is sinking to a NEW LOW with this post.

Everyone, please be sure to click on the linky, to see what I am referring to.

As I read many sane and rational replies in this thread, it seems that the "info" that formed the basis of the OP has been called into question. I even saw the word "HOAX" bandied about.

These sorts of hysterical (if shown to be a HOAX) and nonsense (if that turns out to be the consensus) threads are not doing ATS any favors......

Saw a "suggesiton" in BB & Q for a "Thumbs Up/Down" concept. Well....here, I'll kick it off:

I agree. The "info" this entire thread rests on is basically just an headline from an anonymous beforeitsnews blogger.

Originally posted by firepilot

Originally posted by Unity_99
www.geigercounters.com...
The radiation readers, show that Denver is having quite a significant raise in radiation, its getting closer to the the dangerous zone.

Also, I was wondering why as they're not at the coast, then I realized, their altitude means they would be affected first.

No, thats not what it shows. It does not show Denver having a rising radioactivity, unless you are charting it constantly. Altitude does not mean Denver will be affected first, but altitude can mean Denver can be affected more by solar radiation than a place at sea level. On station near Denver was showing 68 cpm, another nearby was 23. They dont even have an "Alert" until 130.

Lets not try to cause undue alarmism when its not warranted.

THANK YOU.
denver has higher levels of radiation on a GOOD day, and it fluctuates. its HIGH ALTITUDES.

if people insist on being alarmist they can shuck off that label by adding some info about WTF we do if we are sitting out here twenty miles from the ocean in los angeles. if you are going to cause a panic, throw out a rope. if not move on.
that being said, i am leaving april 1st. its not a matter of IF the SHTF in los angeles, but WHEN. we got TWO nuclear power plants right on the coast. we also have loads and loads and loads of weak hepsters who wouldn't know what to do if they had a flat tire, much less a nuclear holocaust. throw in some cholos and vatos with guns blazing and a financial depression and the everyday surreality of this place and you have a very noxious brew indeed.
and i am NOT putting down the cholos. i lived in east la. if looting happens i want to know my street is safe, and if you think the cops would do that, think again. it would be the gangs. just saying, don't chop me moderator!!!!

I figured I would attempt to share a bit of my knowledge about the mark 1 reactor.
I am NOT an engineer, but consider myself a fairly smart guy with a tremendous amount of common sense.
That being said, I have worked about 10 yrs on systems inside the drywell in the oldest US based mark 1 reactor
still running. These are the questions I am asking about this situation.

1) If the drywell is intact, why wasn't the boron/poison system activated? (in 4+ reactors????)
2) The radiation levels as reported, in my opinion, cant be correct. If the top is open, which I am making an assumption here that it is, then the core and/or fuel pool is open to atmosphere. Not good.
3) IF it is open, remember, all those spent fuel rods since the plant has been open are sitting in the fuel pool.
I did not notice on any site layout maps any dry storage facilities onsite
4) If memory serves, during WW2 Japan was able to launch balloons based weapons across the pacific to america on the jet stream. They reached as far inland as Pennsylvania, I believe and across the northern US.
5) All this info, times 4 and possibly by the end of the week, by six, if the other reactors are in danger of imminent failure.

If I lived in Wash or Oregon, I would be planning a trip to Florida for the next 2 weeks to a month.

Originally posted by templar knight
Some interesting stuff from the BBC News

Also for the record, collect seaweed - it is high in iodine and hence will displace any radioactive iodine out of your body.

This is the kind of stuff that an earlier poster correctly complained about. Iodine doesn't "displace" anything out of your body. It temporarily (24 hours)prevents an uptake of one isotope of iodine - I131, which has a half life of 8 hours. And that is to one organ, the thyroid. It does nothing to prevent contamination or internal radiation by any other radionucleotides. It does absolutely positively nothing to help stop inhaled plutonium from causing lung cancer or any ingested particles from causing GI cancers.
And KI has side effects. It can be fatal for someone on Heparin. It can cause irregular heartbeats that can dive a pacemaker crazy. It can cause bleeding, trouble breathing, dizziness and anaphylactic shock in those with iodine/seafood/shellfish allergies. I wonder how many deaths the doomsayers recommending this self-medication regimen will cause.
And as for those Betadine promoters, a few facts to ponder. The active ingredient is polyvinylpyrrolidone-iodine, with iodine usually being about 10% of the compound. Betadine is 10% polyvinylpyrrolidone-iodine. So 1% of what you are swabbing on is actually elemental iodine. So, to get your 130mg dose, it would take 13000 mg of Betadine, every bit of which would have to be absorbed. And the polyvinylpyrrolidone is not totally innocuous, either, having been found to have caused serious allergic reactions.

Originally posted by 4nsicphd

Originally posted by templar knight
Some interesting stuff from the BBC News

Also for the record, collect seaweed - it is high in iodine and hence will displace any radioactive iodine out of your body.

This is the kind of stuff that an earlier poster correctly complained about. Iodine doesn't "displace" anything out of your body. It temporarily (24 hours)prevents an uptake of one isotope of iodine - I131, which has a half life of 8 hours. And that is to one organ, the thyroid. It does nothing to prevent contamination or internal radiation by any other radionucleotides. It does absolutely positively nothing to help stop inhaled plutonium from causing lung cancer or any ingested particles from causing GI cancers.
And KI has side effects. It can be fatal for someone on Heparin. It can cause irregular heartbeats that can dive a pacemaker crazy. It can cause bleeding, trouble breathing, dizziness and anaphylactic shock in those with iodine/seafood/shellfish allergies. I wonder how many deaths the doomsayers recommending this self-medication regimen will cause.
And as for those Betadine promoters, a few facts to ponder. The active ingredient is polyvinylpyrrolidone-iodine, with iodine usually being about 10% of the compound. Betadine is 10% polyvinylpyrrolidone-iodine. So 1% of what you are swabbing on is actually elemental iodine. So, to get your 130mg dose, it would take 13000 mg of Betadine, every bit of which would have to be absorbed. And the polyvinylpyrrolidone is not totally innocuous, either, having been found to have caused serious allergic reactions.

Thank you for this. Go science!

This kind of information needs its own thread as there is so very much misinformation floating about and it could cost lives in the wrong circumstances..

reply to post by captaintyinknots


Agree! I'm down in Pasadena, CA and I haven't heard anything about this yet, but I have been getting my family prepared for the possibility. Not willing to jump the gun yet, however, we should all bee educating ourselves and preparing for any type of disaster!

"If we stay ready, we don't have to get ready"

Originally posted by Unity_99

Originally posted by antoniothomas
reply to post by boondock-saint

 

yes but they have said that the us is to great of a distance for the low levels thar are actually exposed right now to have any effect on the u.s.

MAKE SURE YOU READ WILL BE DILUTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

www.cbc.ca...

Dated yesterday and before the plutoinium reactor, which supposedly was only partially melted, threw off a second explosion in the familiar MUSHROOM. This isn't a joke, I watched the video's on both explosions. Boy are they different. That SHROOM is a full melt down. It only takes small levels of plutonium to be deadly. And it has a shelf life of 24 000 years.

Yeah right. Where is the video of the mushroom cloud ? According to CNN who interviewed some expert on nuclear reactors there are no bomb like components in a nuclear reactor so therefore it cannot blow up like an atomic bomb. Explosions as far as I am aware are from hydrogen accumulations. One explosion has possibly ruptured the containment room for the rods and is allowing radation to leak out. Not a nuclear explosion. Far from it.

The whole thing seems to me like an "Illuminati" extremely strategical and secretive plan in effect, its purpose to start "The New World Order". I mean it just seems very logical to me. The other day I read an article which was explaining how "HAARP", the "Illuminati Machine", was tested on Haiti, causing such a massive earthquake and the author of the article referred to Haiti as "The Laboratoy". Now these "Illuminati" Superpowers have such great technologies of mass destruction available for active use, of course after testing it on thousands of innocent lives, just exposing more and more how evil their intentions are behind these so called "Research Programs" are. It also seems to me like a very strategical move to effectively destroy over 2 enemy nuclear facilities, which can cause an even larger problem, radioactive fallout which will affect the population of the enemy for several years. What if now these bastards start earthquakes in enemy nations' teriitories in attempt to damage nuclear facilities in order to cause large radiactive fallouts. What a great f@#$%^& going there "Illuminati". Very smart way to disrupt the enemy indeed. of course, it doesn't bother the "Illuminati" that a few of their own nations people can be lost due to this same radiactive destruction, because they are "Evil".

Originally posted by boondock-saint

Originally posted by ResearchMan
NOPE. None at all!!!

well I hate to disagree with nice folks but
yes, there are 2 more sources with the same
story other than the link in the OP

______beforeitsnews/story/480/737/Airforce_WC-135_detect_deadly_Radiation_over_Pacific.html

and

www.trentslist.org...


Every one of those links leads to the same exact story. Its being copies and pasted on a lot of websites. Guess fear mongering is not exclusive to ATS members alone.

while I agree that one of those is a blog,
unless the story can be refuted by multiple
other sources, then it is corroborated by
a couple MSM outlets.

Not to mention the other sources and links
added later in the preceding 20 pages to
this one.

and thanks for adding to the quality assurance
of this thread

Originally posted by boondock-saint

Originally posted by Blaine91555
Sorry but one of those is a cut and paste. What you found is two more irresponsible sources parroting the original and basing their story on the originals supposed anonymous source.

and every MSM news outlet in the world
does the exact same thing through
redistribution rights.

NBC may have the same story as CBS and CNN
and Fox. They all copy and paste from Reuters
and Associated Press. So what's your point here?
It's ok for the big boys to do it, but the smaller
ones can't ???

You seem to think that the source is less credible
if it's parroted or copied and pasted. But that's the way
syndication works.
So like I said, what's your point ???

The point is that you quoted these as seperate news articles substantiating the original article which they did not. They only reguritated the same garbage as the first article.

Well I found a really interesting news release that popped up today.

The radioactive plume from Fukushima's reactors can't be detected by satellites in orbit, but it can be tracked by the U.S. Air Force's Constant Phoenix WC-135 jets, which are designed to monitor airborne fallout from nuclear weapons tests. Constant Phoenix came into play after the 1986 Chernobyl nuclear disaster in Ukraine to sample the air over the Atlantic.....an Air Force spokesman, Maj. Chad Steffey ... confirmed that a Constant Phoenix WC-135 would be sent to sample the air wafting from Japan, in response to a Japanese government request. The planes would be brought from Offutt Air Force Base in Nebraska. Steffey said he didn't yet have details about the timing of the operation.

Speaking on condition of anonymity, a senior U.S. defense official told NBC News that Constant Phoenix's involvement was "absolutely" a significant event. "We are using it to help out a nation," the official said. "It's significant." . cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com...

That is a very significant mention in this news release.

Originally posted by onyx718
reply to post by antoniothomas

 

haha i;m glad i could make you laugh.

i live in vancouver and i'm starting to get seriously pissed by all the fearmongering and propaganda to be honest. Is it something to be concerned about, yes....have we reached the sky is falling end of the earth point yet? Not that we no of, and most likely not.

I have NO car and no friends or family within less than 7 hours of here to help me out if i need it so i really dont appreicate unreliable stories being posted form hoax sites

i feel the same way. there is this almost gleeful "HERE COMES DISASTER!" vibe going on here that sounds a little too gleeful for my taste- distaster porn, anyone?

reminds me of a friend's mother who, during every tornado, (im from the south) would say to every suggestion of moving to safer ground..."it doesn't matter. we are all gonna die. its gonna get us no matter where we are".

somehow i doubt that alot of these posters are on the west coast. no offense if you are, but this is not abstract, let-me-stare-at-my-laptop-and-find-the-direst-news-i-can-find wanking off. this is real stuff for those of us on the coast. we don't need to be amped up, we need facts.
and whoever posted that the sailors from the navy had radiation poisioning is FALSE. at least, according to every source that i have been able to dig up. they were exposed to low level radiation. that is NOT THE SAME THING! some of you are talking like we have a whole secret fleet of navymen vomiting and bleeding out their arses. with the internet being the way it is, you know someone would have reported this by now, it would have leaked out one way or another.

i don't trust my government at all, never have. that doesn't mean i think they are the ones who manufactured AIDS and are conspiring to kill us all. that is just not common sense. neither is implying that we can't trust anything that anyone is saying. well, actually, that part may be true, but that sword cuts both ways. we have to be wary of CNN just as much as we have to be wary of conspirists who are implying that a big fat noxious cloud is 8 hours away.

please people, be more measured in your statements. if everyone truly believes that panicking is the worst thing you can do, then stop putting up incendiary posts that are just gonna make us all crap a massive brick. what good is that gonna do us? NONE.its like "war of the worlds" all over again. which is fine if your happy azz is sitting up in middle america somewhere- you are dealing in abstracts. it hasn't hit you yet. if it hits america it hits us first. give us a break.

reply to post by themysterymachine


I am not quite 2 hours from the coast of BC, in the Fraser Valley. And the radiation that will come our way, or may already be here, is only some of my concern, in other words, not yet. I'm not worried yet.

However, in Japan, I have known for days that this is very serious, that all will melt down, and that in their tiny little window of time before its terrible for so many millions, their government, instead of posturing, and trying to look good but it doesnt work when you're wasting time, money and effort on the wrong projects instead of the right ones. The only right one, was to evacuate all the people down south and then off those islands, knowing full well they're running against a clock and will only go so far, in this job, but ever person saved is a bonus.

Writing things plain and simple is and to the point of this disaster is the only way to wake the leaders up and make them realize, people know. People are shouting what they know and telling them to get on with the real job.

Sending an email won't work, their aids won't pass it on.

Forums are monitored heavily, the info and general consensus of the top ones are passed on.

So, at the risk of sounding etreme unbalanced, etc etc, it hardly matters. It doesnt matter what a person acts like or trying to be cool. There are some really great posters, keeping level, and providing detailed information that are doing such a good job. But some just want to light the fire crackers under the leaders butts and have them know, under no uncertain circumstances that there are a good number of aware people who can do the math, reason it out, and understand that posturing doesnt work and doesnt save lives, and they're the managers of the public trust and funds.

They need to know people aren't buying it and are really mad.

Originally posted by burntheships
an Air Force spokesman, Maj. Chad Steffey ... confirmed that a Constant Phoenix WC-135 would be sent to sample the air wafting from Japan, in response to a Japanese government request. The planes would be brought from Offutt Air Force Base in Nebraska. Steffey said he didn't yet have details about the timing of the operation.

So it appears the op was just spreading lies, as the WC-135 is being sent from Nebraska, and is not already sampling...

reply to post by burntheships


hmm

That is really interesting, thanks for posting it.

The fact that they are monitoring it from above is good.

just think, now the powers that be can easily dump their toxic nuclear waste on us and can blame it all on the japanese and you'll believe them

better watch them chemtrails

Originally posted by dereks

Originally posted by burntheships
an Air Force spokesman, Maj. Chad Steffey ... confirmed that a Constant Phoenix WC-135 would be sent to sample the air wafting from Japan, in response to a Japanese government request. The planes would be brought from Offutt Air Force Base in Nebraska. Steffey said he didn't yet have details about the timing of the operation.

So it appears the op was just spreading lies, as the WC-135 is being sent from Nebraska, and is not already sampling...

Yes, yes believe every last thing they tell you.

I especially like the part "didnt yet have details about the timing"..

And put that together with the fact that the U.S. Military pulled back, and now has an 80 K no go zone, and also that the U.S. has offered free chartered flights out of Japan...

I see there is still fear mongering and false info being spread throughout this thread....Shame on people...This sight is to deny ignorance...well this thread is well promoting ignorance.....right now and many experts in the field agree.....the exclusion zone is SUFFICIENT...the winds are now blowing south towards Tokyo which is relatively close....COMPARED TO CANADA OR AMERICA.....

Anyone that is comtemplating taking potassium Iodide should think twice as it's effect are very limited and also can do more harm than good....SO GET A GRIP....as for the people spreading mis information on here you should all learn a few things before you keep spreading your own ignorance on here.

all one needs to do is keep an eye on what is happening in Japan itself and see that there has been NO upper atmosphere explosion so all fallout is limited to the imediate region as of for now....

It is sad that it seems that some people are asking for a disaster to come their way that they themselves can be part of something rather than their own lowly lives.

As for the person from the interior of BC....STOP living in fear and enjoy your life in that beautiful part of the world because there IS NOT a radioactive plume heading your way right now.

watch what is going on and dont believe some of the sensationalism being done here and the likes of CNN....what a bunch of fear mongering crap they are reporting. Felt like slapping a few of their reporters so far....even when experts are saying they are not worried about a cloud coming over the ocean they still go and spew some more crap about what IF.

Yes it is a sorry situation...but it is a desparately sorry situation for those in the imediate area.....SO i hope others will come in here and help DENY IGNORANCE and show people that the situation is fuild....but there has not been a mass fallout that has occured.

reply to post by crazydaisy


I observed CPM levels from RADNET prior to the events in Japan for a research project, and it wasn't uncommon to see increases of 15-20 CPM or more in a 24 hour period. I would only start worrying if we were to see an increase of 100+ CPM's at a single location in a 24 hour period.

Personally, I'm holding my breath. I live in Seattle, WA, so I'd prefer that a cloud of radiation didn't sweep over the Pacific. That being said, absolutely nothing I've read from the MSM, ATS, or from friends and family in Japan tells me exactly what is going on.

There is way too much science involved, and far too little information available for anyone, here or in the MSM to jump to conclusions.

In my opinion, have a back up plan in case the worst case scenario takes place, and otherwise just sit tight.

Oh, and as far as the WC-135 warning: I've got a cousin who's stationed at JB Fort Lewis-McChord (McChord specifically), and so far he's heard nothing about this. He also said that their on-base radiation levels were "within the normal range."

Like I said... I'm holding my breath.

reply to post by Zenic


Thanks for posting the site. I'm looking at a different one and they seem to be showing different results. I can't figure out why. The site you listed seems to have more sensitive equipment maybe (showing higher readings)....not sure.

Here's the site I'm looking at:
www.blackcatsystems.com...