Ufo's, New Age. They are not what you think they are!

Originally posted by 547000
reply to post by AnthraAndromda

I left because I was tired and saw futility with arguing with you. For an enlightened being you're pretty arrogant and presumptuous. Enlightenment is just a red herring; the real path to salvation comes not through knowledge but obedience. I do not think there are multiple paths, but I do believe that's a delusion that will prove fatal to many.

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Yes! And a good little slave you'll make.

Just remember that your "master" is not my body of knowledge, nor my people. And, is One that you are incapable of understanding, because, you wish not knowledge.

Tell me, just how do you expect to "know" anything unless, and until, you "know yourself"?

As for the arrogant and presumptuous part: It is not I who is attempting to "dictate" the Will of God, and it is I who has spent a lifetime learning and becomming One with the Will of God. You tell me who is the closer.

547000 didn't leave because he was tired, he left because he can not win an agruement. Benedict, if he should continue would be in the same boat. This is in part due to the fact that knowledge, understanding, and wisdom can not be conferred. One can not simply ask for knowledge, and wake up in the morning "knowing". Knowledge comes at a price, sometimes a high price. And, by knowledge, I don;t neccessarily mean "traditional" education.

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Bravo, you win ok. We've agreed to disagree. Nothing is open for further discussion alright. I hope this thread now goes to the 5th page to never be seen again. Finito Sandiego. Fin. das Ende. The End.

I can't speak for benedict9 and I'm sure if he still has something to say he will most definately speak up.

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda

Originally posted by 547000
reply to post by AnthraAndromda

I left because I was tired and saw futility with arguing with you. For an enlightened being you're pretty arrogant and presumptuous. Enlightenment is just a red herring; the real path to salvation comes not through knowledge but obedience. I do not think there are multiple paths, but I do believe that's a delusion that will prove fatal to many.

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Yes! And a good little slave you'll make.

Just remember that your "master" is not my body of knowledge, nor my people. And, is One that you are incapable of understanding, because, you wish not knowledge.

Tell me, just how do you expect to "know" anything unless, and until, you "know yourself"?

As for the arrogant and presumptuous part: It is not I who is attempting to "dictate" the Will of God, and it is I who has spent a lifetime learning and becomming One with the Will of God. You tell me who is the closer.

Closer than either of us is one who has obeyed his father without rebelling.

Originally posted by DaphneApollo

Bravo, you win ok. We've agreed to disagree. Nothing is open for further discussion alright. I hope this thread now goes to the 5th page to never be seen again. Finito Sandiego. Fin. das Ende. The End.

I can't speak for benedict9 and I'm sure if he still has something to say he will most definately speak up.

I am not trying to win anything, And there is no "bravo" here.

Yes, we agreed to disagree, it seems others have not gone that far as yet. They have only gone from openly stating that I am wrong (and they are right), to trying to state the same in innuendo. They have not changed, nor made any concessions, only trying to hide and couch their true intent and meaning. No one can do this and remain fully in the light.

It needs to be understood; that these "good Christians" are neither "good" nor "Christian."

Originally posted by DaphneApollo

Bravo, you win ok. We've agreed to disagree. Nothing is open for further discussion alright. I hope this thread now goes to the 5th page to never be seen again. Finito Sandiego. Fin. das Ende. The End.

I can't speak for benedict9 and I'm sure if he still has something to say he will most definately speak up.

I am not trying to win anything, And there is no "bravo" here.

Yes, we agreed to disagree, it seems others have not gone that far as yet. They have only gone from openly stating that I am wrong (and they are right), to trying to state the same in innuendo. They have not changed, nor made any concessions, only trying to hide and couch their true intent and meaning. No one can do this and remain fully in the light.

I am openly stating you are wrong. Le gasp, what nerve. I just think it's pointless to argue with you.

Originally posted by 547000

Closer than either of us is one who has obeyed his father without rebelling.

See, that is you great error. Just what makes you thing I have rebelled? Can you not allow your God to make a decision that is outside you ability to understand?

This is what I mean when I speak of arrogance. Your insistance, the God would not act in a way such as this.

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda

Originally posted by 547000

Closer than either of us is one who has obeyed his father without rebelling.

See, that is you great error. Just what makes you thing I have rebelled? Can you not allow your God to make a decision that is outside you ability to understand?

This is what I mean when I speak of arrogance. Your insistance, the God would not act in a way such as this.

Well, the occult is pretty much something you are warned not to engage in.

Originally posted by 547000

I am openly stating you are wrong. Le gasp, what nerve. I just think it's pointless to argue with you

And, you are openly stating that God is wrong as well.

Yes, it is pointless to argue at least until you have a valid arguement.

Yes, we agreed to disagree, it seems others have not gone that far as yet. They have only gone from openly stating that I am wrong (and they are right), to trying to state the same in innuendo. They have not changed, nor made any concessions, only trying to hide and couch their true intent and meaning. No one can do this and remain fully in the light.

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I agree we end the Thread and you disagree and continue. We say you win and you can't take that either. What to do? Where is this going?

No one's hiding they're tired.

Originally posted by 547000
Well, the occult is pretty much something you are warned not to engage in.

Yes, and for good reason, it is very dangerous. But, if you must do "battle" against such forces, then it is always better to be prepared. It is a good thing to know what your enemy knows. And in this regard, you do not, I do.

Originally posted by DaphneApollo

I agree we end the Thread and you disagree and continue. We say you win and you can't take that either. What to do? Where is this going?

One could hope toward truth and light.

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda

Originally posted by 547000
Well, the occult is pretty much something you are warned not to engage in.

Yes, and for good reason, it is very dangerous. But, if you must do "battle" against such forces, then it is always better to be prepared. It is a good thing to know what your enemy knows. And in this regard, you do not, I do.

Why would the God of the Abrahamic faiths guide you towards the occult?

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In everyone's life, their "faith" is tested, whether the test be great or small, the test still happens.

I was put in a position where I had a great test. The questions that were raised, and asked of God, have yet to be addressed in any manner that a living, thinking sentient being could even remotely consider acceptable. As long as your God remains silent on these issues, I will continue to follow my own path, for it would seem that this is His Will.

I truly do understand where you are, I was there once; the Will of God has taken me to another place. One not so desirable,

Oh, and, please do not think that your words have fallen on deaf ears, for they have not. Things you have said have made me think about myself, and my place in the "grand scheme" of things. However, this path I have taken, the things I have learned, simply can not be without reason, nor Will. If it is the Will of God, who are we to argue?

Just want to add: If God wanted blind obedience, he would not have given us intelligence.

Originally posted by 547000

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda

Originally posted by 547000
Well, the occult is pretty much something you are warned not to engage in.

Yes, and for good reason, it is very dangerous. But, if you must do "battle" against such forces, then it is always better to be prepared. It is a good thing to know what your enemy knows. And in this regard, you do not, I do.

Why would the God of the Abrahamic faiths guide you towards the occult?

Would you have me question God?

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"To think that these teachings are "Luciferian" is utter foolishness, for their origin is your God, not Lucifer."

Do you deny that the 'fallen angels' became 'fallen' because they introduced forbidden knowledge, divinations, sorceries and crafts that tainted the innocence/purity of mankind via snare of the charms of opportunity for 'enlightenment' and 'empowerment'? It's no secret that certain society/mystery school members deem Lucifer as their God because he chose to share such esoteric knowledge that enabled the powers of 'elitism' and class rule via such 'advanced' knowledge and by the advantageous control weapons of war foisted upon segments of mankind (to those whom by free will chose to embrace 'offerings'). Can you reference anything that provides credence that 'MY Creator (i.e the good, loving Creator of harmony/unity/peace) introduced esoteric crafts and such before you label those that think otherwise foolish? Please do so. I am willing to be humbled because I certainly do not claim to know it all.

Why do you repeatedly state the phrase "your God" and not OUR God. Is it because you're still convinced you're an alien, different/separated from the rest of embodied humanity? FYI, I recognised very early you were an abductee before you even mentioned it. Such altered perception of reality/i.e Truth appears as a compromised state via interference by other dimensional entities more than you possibly realise and interestingly I have dealt with other 'occult' society members/practitioners' before on my journey with the same lines spat out by them as you with sympathies for 'aliens' and statements of being 'rescued' by 'alien' ships when catastrophes strike Earth and so forth. I find it further interesting that all those that have seperated their faith from the Christ have been led to such erroneous faith//trust in aliens that I have directly been warned about in prophetic dreams indicating they are a deception directly involved with the black ops (military-industrial elite) groups of Earth working hand in hand. This other occult gent in particular I dealt with is a Freemason (and rejector of Christ's divinity) who has aligned with the same Antichrist deceptions that you appear to defend, so you're not alone I assure you.The more people like you I come across though only keeps affirming my own path, so I thank you for your service in presence. Indeed you are a teacher to me.

I rely on prayer to the Holy Spirit/Creator source for discernment, of which has guided me to stay away from such things of magick, not out of fear, but understanding that the path of purity of the heart (that guarantees connection to holy 'good' graces) does not require these things to evolve in the spirit of Christ.

If you didn't willingly distance yourself from the Christ path, you would have been given better discernment of the days ahead of His kingdom to come and sure enough wouldn't be counting on physical means of 'alien' ships for your protection to escape future events. You can continue to rely on your 'phd' of intellect to see you through the end cycle events and I'll continue to put my stock in what has guided my path Truly thus far that has shown me directly future events pertaining to the end times cycle without any 'lessons' from Crowley and other esoteric 'wiseguys' or books of magick to educate me on the 'path'. My gifts were given as blessings for the Trust I harboured in knowing my own divine covenant that connects with my Father Creator with faithful prayer/guided fasting as primary means of easy direct power connection. My received Knowledge (via seeking and calling on the Holy Spirit of the Father for answers) has already been corroborated what I have been given by Spirit beyond doubt, so be very careful before judging another's journey or level of attained knowledge, for you will be humbled as reward for any imbalance of arrogance with your ego brought again to the level of an infant, for indeed many believe they are masters when they are children. I will aim to remain as a child and worthy bride of Christ by my personal call to remain in the protective cradle of His Holy Spirit, for the wolves are rounding up their pack.

If you think I took part in discourse with you as a battle of 'intellect' or 'mind logic' to engage in some spiritual p**sing contest, you are mistaken. I operate on a heart level and this is an act of service and eventually you will come to understand fully why such messages were delivered. The warnings inspired here are more than valid, though I'm confident though in your current state of 'mind,' you will be the first to welcome the fallen angels *ahem I mean 'aliens' when they present themselves to humanity. And by hell they ARE coming. I was shown these things so I could warn the innocent and the ignorant alike during this time. There won't be an internet like this forever, so remember this warning wise mage. THEY WANT YOU BOUND WITH THEM ANOTHER CYCLE. THEY ARE HERETO SNARE SOULS. And they will do it like a charm.

I am aware others are going to be exposed to this and it is no accident either if they were led to this thread to receive these warnings, even if it's on a subconscious level. They might currently think those speaking of these things are overdosing hard on the fruit loops, but there will come a day soon enough where there will be gasping and much shock and disbelief at what is unfolding before them. I gain no joy in knowing the things I will bear witness to when they transpire and I will aim to assist those with at least one eye or ear in my direction.

All things aside AA, I think you're a lovely person and I know you mean no harm and I sincerely apologise if I offended you and understand I Iikely have. None of this is a personal attack on you and you can insult me 'til the cows come home and that is fine. No human brother is my adversary and never will be so I will bother you no more with any potentially offending exchanges. The primary message has been expressed firmly throughout this thread which I'm very glad was initiated. Much love to you and you will be in my prayers along with all humanity, whether you like it or not. Let thy will of the Father of Creation be done upon this Earth and All it's inhabited beings. Our wisdoms are more limited in this life than most care to acknowledge.

I simply believe in Chaos, the art of confusion and disorder.

I believe that everything will eventually start in chaos, and end in chaos.


By the way benedict9, its our soul, we are allowed to do whatever we please with it, even if we allow ourselves to be ensnared, what if that indeed made me happy, who are you to deny me happiness?

Originally posted by benedict9
reply to post by AnthraAndromda

 

Do you deny that the 'fallen angels' became 'fallen' because they introduced forbidden knowledge, divinations, sorceries and crafts that tainted the innocence/purity of mankind via snare of the charms of opportunity for 'enlightenment' and 'empowerment'?

I know not "why" these angels have fallen. Although, Hermes, in his teachings, does speak of dualities, balance, and cycles. Thus the "need" to "invent" such concepts as "fallen angels". Good can not exist without evil, God can not be without his opposite.

As for the introduction of these "ancient mysteries", that has been lost in antiquity, and there are no records.

It's no secret that certain society/mystery school members deem Lucifer as their God because he chose to share such esoteric knowledge that enabled the powers of 'elitism' and class rule via such 'advanced' knowledge and by the advantageous control weapons of war foisted upon segments of mankind (to those whom by free will chose to embrace 'offerings'). Can you reference anything that provides credence that 'MY Creator (i.e the good, loving Creator of harmony/unity/peace) introduced esoteric crafts and such before you label those that think otherwise foolish? Please do so. I am willing to be humbled because I certainly do not claim to know it all.

Firstly, and I have stated this already. To a mage of Western Ceremonial Magick, Satan, Lucifer, and all the rest, are simply demons, princes and "kings" that are to be controlled, not worshipped. Any that do have completely missed the point, and if were dismissed from their Order, they would not enjoy any advancement.

If "your" God is the "One" true God, then he is also the creator of the entire Universe, and, He has created everything includeing these very esoteric teachings. So, you tell me...

Why do you repeatedly state the phrase "your God" and not OUR God.

It seems that perhaps "your" God may not be quite the same. My God is the Creator of everything, the Universe. While yours seems to be somewhat diminished. So again, you tell me...

Is it because you're still convinced you're an alien, different/separated from the rest of embodied humanity?

"Still"? There is no issue of belief here. When I was on board my mother's ship and told I'm not human ... Oh, I'm sorry,it is either my personal experience is invalid for some obscure reason, or I have been deveived. So again I would state; I find it rather difficult / illogical that any species would travel 2.5 million light years, just to deceive "little" me.

FYI, I recognised very early you were an abductee before you even mentioned it. Such altered perception of reality/i.e Truth appears as a compromised state via interference by other dimensional entities more than you possibly realise and interestingly I have dealt with other 'occult' society members/practitioners' before on my journey with the same lines spat out by them as you with sympathies for 'aliens' and statements of being 'rescued' by 'alien' ships when catastrophes strike Earth and so forth. I find it further interesting that all those that have seperated their faith from the Christ have been led to such erroneous faith//trust in aliens that I have directly been warned about in prophetic dreams indicating they are a deception directly involved with the black ops (military-industrial elite) groups of Earth working hand in hand. This other occult gent in particular I dealt with is a Freemason (and rejector of Christ's divinity) who has aligned with the same Antichrist deceptions that you appear to defend, so you're not alone I assure you.The more people like you I come across though only keeps affirming my own path, so I thank you for your service in presence. Indeed you are a teacher to me.

"Altered perception of reality" Really? I could just as easily say the same for your perceptions. Actually, it might be easier, since I know where you are comming from, and you don't appear to have any clear idea of where I am.

However, that notwithstanding; There is no "rescue" nor "alien" ships. The ships are ships of my species, and while I will be removed from your Earth soon, I had to beg, with tears in my eyes, to remain here in the hopes, and event that you needed assistance. I can see now, that you have everything undercontrol; so I should probably just leave you to your future and the (now) three rocks heading at your planet; all due to arrive between Sept. and Nov. of this year.

I rely on prayer to the Holy Spirit/Creator source for discernment, of which has guided me to stay away from such things of magick, not out of fear, but understanding that the path of purity of the heart (that guarantees connection to 'good' graces) does not require these things to evolve in the spirit of Christ.

I rely on my "Oneness" with the creator, my logic and intelligence to provide such things. And, as I have said; Magick is not for everyone. You are correct, Magick is not required; at least "Magick" by your definition.

If you didn't willingly distance yourself from the Christ path, you would have been given better discernment of the days ahead of His kingdom to come and sure enough wouldn't be counting on physical means of 'alien' ships for your protection to escape future events.

Again you assume too much! What makes you think any of this was "willing".

I am not "counting" anything, nor is there a need to. Even though there are seven ships in orbit, I hardly need, or "count" on them for anything.

You can continue to rely on your 'phd' of intellect to see you through the end cycle events and I'll continue to put my stock in what has guided my path Truly thus far that has shown me directly future events pertaining to the end times cycle without any 'lessons' from Crowley and other esoteric 'wiseguys' or books of magick to educate me on the 'path'.

Again, you are over stateing things. It is not that I have a "Phd" intellect, it is more that I have the benefit of (probably) too much education. I was born with the "curse" of an "IQ" that is wholly "off the charts"; walking and talking before 9 months, getting two master's degrees in highly technical areas without ever "cracking" a textbook. These are not things I would wish on anyone.

for the wolves are rounding up their pack.

Please mind your metaphore! I have been living with a pack of Wolves for 29 years. The forces and dangers ahead of you are by far greater than any Pack of Wolves.

If you think I took part in discourse with you as a battle of 'intellect' or 'mind logic' to engage in some spiritual p**sing contest, you are mistaken. I operate on a heart level and this is an act of service and eventually you will come to understand fully why such messages were delivered. The warnings inspired here are more than valid, though I'm confident though in your current state of 'mind,' you will be the first to welcome the fallen angels *ahem I mean 'aliens' when they present themselves to humanity.

Firstly, I care not "why" you entered this discussion.

Additionally; your "inspired warnings" are misplaced, and misunderstood. Aliens are not "fallen Angels"; Angels, as with Demons are supernatural creations, Aliens are not. Aliens are physical, flesh and blood sentient beings. Not very much different than Humans. Some even share DNA that is very Human like. Unfortunately, there seems to no Humans truly interested in learning the truth in this regard. Although, no, I won't be welcoming any aliens to Earth.

And, sorry, but, no, your warnings are not valid. Now, this does not mean that you are incorrect, it means, that your fellow Humans won't listen.

THEY WANT YOU BOUND WITH THEM ANOTHER CYCLE. THEY ARE HERE TO SNARE SOULS.

The Illuminati, and all the rest, know full well this is simply not possible. We, all living ceations, are all created equal, and by that I do mean equal to God. We are all made of the same "stuff" and have the same hierarchy within our construction. But this enters the realm of Enochian Physics, and is rather difficult to discuss here.

Etharzi od Oma.

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda

Originally posted by 547000

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda

Originally posted by 547000
Well, the occult is pretty much something you are warned not to engage in.

Yes, and for good reason, it is very dangerous. But, if you must do "battle" against such forces, then it is always better to be prepared. It is a good thing to know what your enemy knows. And in this regard, you do not, I do.

Why would the God of the Abrahamic faiths guide you towards the occult?

Would you have me question God?

If that "god" tells you to seek after the occult, we are not talking about the same God.

Originally posted by 547000

If that "god" tells you to seek after the occult, we are not talking about the same God.

Well, there is only ONE Creator. So I would have to submit, that perhaps you follow a god other than the Creator.

Either that, or you are still insisting that you can dictate the Will of God.

Which god is he seeking then?


You know, if you went back about 500 years and showed them the technology we have now, I bet you they would call us God as well.

We can create life, we can create fire, we can create our own environments (although people are stupid and don't realise how important this is yet.)