Here Is Proof of Moon Shift!!!! View PDF before it "Disapears".

Yes someone with a bigger brain than mine needs to explane this to us dumbys,Please.

OH!!!!That seems like it could be dangerous.No wonder why all this stuff is happening.When the moon gets closer to us in its elliptic orbit it pulls on the planet like the way magnets do.The closer they get to each other the more they pull on each other.

Digging into this further I came across this

Bizarre Lunar Orbits - NASA

Its basically saying tat the non-uniform mass of the moon makes it difficult for satellites to stay in orbit.

Can this same reasoning not be applied as a candidate explanation to the OP?

Originally posted by CLPrime
reply to post by minniesoda

 

Hm...you've got me thinking... I wonder what sort of effect the landings and liftoffs of the Apollo landers had on the angular momentum of the moon, and if that could account for the increase in eccentricity (plus the long-term nature of that increase).

Is there anything to suggest this "discrepancy" wasn't occurring before we began laser ranging? Clearly, this level of resolution only exists as far back as the retroreflectors were in place.

Originally posted by theabsolutetruth
reply to post by Xcellante

 

Brian Cox also denies there could be intelligent life in the universe other than humans!!!!!

Care to substantiate that claim?

Originally posted by theabsolutetruth
reply to post by Xcellante

 

Brian Cox also denies there could be intelligent life in the universe other than humans!!!!!

No he does not, in fact he is quite open to the suggestion. He certainly believes in microbial forms of life existing and is aware the building blocks are all throughout the universe.
He just suggests that intelligent life elsewhere is not a given.

Originally posted by pazcat

Originally posted by theabsolutetruth
reply to post by Xcellante

 

Brian Cox also denies there could be intelligent life in the universe other than humans!!!!!

No he does not, in fact he is quite open to the suggestion. He certainly believes in non intelligent forms of life existing and is aware the building blocks are all throughout the universe.

I wonder if some posters think that fellow Brits aren't on here so can say whatever they like!

reply to post by Trublbrwing


I'm just going to point out the obvious here.

Quantum physics has nothing to do with the moon.

I don't want an architect talking to me about calculus, and I don't want a quantum physics dude talking about mega items.

I remember hearing that when the apollo took place having them land and take off was said to have moved the moon. Last couple of years they shot 'missiles' at it for tests.

Could it be that man has pushed the moon?

reply to post by Trublbrwing


It is predictable that given a starting orbit of a perfect circle, the moon would quickly gain an unsymmetrical orbit. This would occur because of the friction of tidal forces on the Earth. The orbit would decay slowly over time due to this friction. However, orbit would decay more quickly in regions with a high density of coastal areas, which would have the most friction involved. Orbit would hardly decay at all over areas such as Hawaii which would have very little moon tidal friction.

It does not appear the paper accounted for such a factor. If I'm right I want an honorary degree in physics

reply to post by Gorman91


Wow...really? Would anyone like to jump in here....

2nd line...I have to be careful what I say..

..well, since turtle boy got me itchy..

reply to post by Trublbrwing


Could it be some kind of optical illusion, a change in earth's atmosphere.
like when it's hot or cold you see some distortion in the image that you are looking at.
If the earth changes then everything we look at will change also.

reply to post by paearmor


You do realize quantum physics has to do with the small and uncertain, where as the moon has to do with the big and certain. Not to mention the fundamental lack of unifying theory between the two yet.

The Moon's orbit (its circular path around the Earth) is indeed getting larger, at a rate of about 3.8 centimeters per year--it is getting farther from the Earth.

500 million years from now the average size of the Moon will appear a few percent smaller, because it would be about 20,000 km farther out. The Moon is also pulling back on the tidal bulge of the Earth, slowing the Earth's rotation down. One hundred years from now, the day will be 2 milliseconds longer than it is now.

So, even 1 million years from now, the Moon would have moved just 40 km farther away. That’s a long way in the future! The distance moved would hardly be noticeable. Nothing to be alarmed about! So just chill!

reply to post by Trublbrwing


This is completely nothing....the paper isn't going to "Disapears" (sic)

ALL this is, is a feather in this guy's (those guys') cap(s) for doing the work and building on the very, very, very precise measuring abilities we now have, since the Apollo Program left the laser retro-reflectors on the Lunar surface.

The increase in precision also is due to better and better technology, and more sensitive (finer degrees) of measurement, year-over-year.

Basically....there is an as-yet-unexplained VERY MINOR perturbation in the orbit of the Moon that is only a teeny, tiny bit off the normal Newtonian math calculations for bodies on orbit.

Here, a comment from a YouTube video that also discusses:

de/dt_meas = 9 x 10^-12 per year - that's 0.000000009 change in eccentricity PER YEAR. Not gonna cause visible changes i am afraid.

electroweak02 2 weeks ago

Please, for the love of.....Calm down! No need for all this silly panicking over nothing. Learn some science and math...and get a grip.

It is entirely possible that the Moon's eccentricity has been increasing (or been variable) for the last FOUR Billion years! The only reason...only reason it's being discussed, today, is because of the nearly 40 years of observed data that has been accumulated.

It is there, in the "Abstract" of that paper! BTW...care to recall what happened just over 40 years ago???

That's right.....Apollo. Apollo 11 was 1969. Apollo 17, 1972. This is 2011. DO the math..........

Originally posted by Shadow Herder
I remember hearing that when the apollo took place having them land and take off was said to have moved the moon. Last couple of years they shot 'missiles' at it for tests.

Could it be that man has pushed the moon?

edit on 13-3-2011 by Shadow Herder because: (no reason given)

That's a wacky, but excellent theory.

it would explain why no one's been back there and , as you say, could suggest that the missiles fired at the Moon could've in fact been attempts to correct its orbit. Would appear they failed....

This paper and it's findings could very well be caused by the very same thing which has been causing a secular increase in the AU, distance, between the Sun, and the planets which I reported several times before.

In the first thread where I reported the recent secular increase in the AU of the Sun and the planets I was actually at first talking about ultracool subdwarfs, but as I was doing more, and more research found some interesting info.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Here is another thread where I also posted this info and another story which could be linked to this unknown phenomenon.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

This is one of the several research papers I found.

Anomalies in the Solar System
Dittus, Hansjoerg
37th COSPAR Scientific Assembly. Held 13-20 July 2008, in Montréal, Canada., p.717
Several observations show unexplained phenomena in our solar system. These observations are e.g. the Pioneer Anomaly, an unexplained constant acceleration of the Pioneer 10 and 11 spacecraft, the Flyby Anomaly, an unexplained increase of the velocity of a series of spacecraft after Earth gravity assists, the recently reported increase of the Astronomical Unit defined by the distance of the planets from the Sun by approximately 10 m per century, the quadrupole and octupole anomaly which describes the correlation of the low l contributions of the Cosmic Microwave Background to the orientation of the Solar system. Lacking any explanation until now, these phenomena are still investigated intensively. In my talk I will discuss the present status of those investigations and the attempts to find reasonable explantions.

adsabs.harvard.edu...

Here is another which in fact is from Lorenzo Lorio, the same Italian physicist reporting this pehnomenon also occurring to the Moon.

Secular increase of the astronomical unit and perihelion precessions as tests of the Dvali–Gabadadze–Porrati multi-dimensional braneworld scenario
Lorenzo Iorio JCAP09(2005)006 doi: 10.1088/1475-7516/2005/09/006


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Lorenzo Iorio
Viale Unità di Italia 68, 70125, Bari, Italy
E-mail: [email protected]
Abstract. An unexpected secular increase of the astronomical unit, the length scale of the Solar System, has recently been reported by three different research groups (Krasinsky and Brumberg, Pitjeva, Standish). The latest JPL measurements amount to 7 ± 2 m cy−1. At present, there are no explanations able to accommodate such an observed phenomenon, either in the realm of classical physics or in the usual four-dimensional framework of the Einsteinian general relativity. The Dvali–Gabadadze–Porrati braneworld scenario, which is a multi-dimensional model of gravity aimed at providing an explanation of the observed cosmic acceleration without dark energy, predicts, among other things, a perihelion secular shift, due to Lue and Starkman, of 5 × 10−4 arcsec cy−1 for all the planets of the Solar System. It yields a variation of about 6 m cy−1 for the Earth–Sun distance which is compatible with the observed rate of change for the astronomical unit. The recently measured corrections to the secular motions of the perihelia of the inner planets of the Solar System are in agreement with the predicted value of the Lue–Starkman effect for Mercury, Mars and, at a slightly worse level, the Earth.

www.iop.org...


Now, let's read the part about the possible trans-Newtonian object from the op.

A potentially viable Newtonian candidate would be
a trans-Plutonian massive object (Planet X/Nemesis/Tyche) since it, actually,
would affect e with a non-vanishing long-term variation. On the other hand,
the values for the physical and orbital parameters of such a hypothetical body
required to obtain the right order of magnitude for e˙ are completely unrealistic.
Moreover, they are in neat disagreement with both the most recent theoretical
scenarios envisaging the existence of a distant, planetary-sized body and with
the model-independent constraints on them dynamically inferred from planetary
motions. Thus, the issue of finding a satisfactorily explanation for the anomalous
behavior of the Moon’s eccentricity remains open.

There is a problem with the premise made by Lorio. First of all, all he makes are assumptions. He assumes that in order for the trans-Plutonian object to exist that it must conform with "the most recent theoretical scenarios" regarding this planetary-size object, but then again these are theories, not facts hence it is very possible for this planetary-size object to exist but which does not conform with the theories that Lorio is familiar with. Second, we know that whatever is causing this is in fact having an effect on all planets, moons, and comets in the Solar System, so something must be causing this. Just because we haven't observed it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Of course, it is also possible that something else could be the cause of these anomalies.

The Moon is turning to face the backside toward Earth.

The Moon have always faced Earth with the front.

If the backside was revealed....

If TPTB dont want to reveal the alien presence, they will themselves.

They tried in 1977 by taking over 4 powerful broadcast antenaes, still unsolved how the hoaxers could take over so powerful antenaes in 1977 I think

ITN News was Hijacked in 1977 by an external source claiming to be from The Ashatr Galactic Command. They do not know what caused it and it has never happend since. The Age of Aquarius is coming in 2012. This is a warning that some big changes are underway in 2012 or before

Originally posted by pazcat

Originally posted by theabsolutetruth
reply to post by Xcellante

 

Brian Cox also denies there could be intelligent life in the universe other than humans!!!!!

No he does not, in fact he is quite open to the suggestion. He certainly believes in microbial forms of life existing and is aware the building blocks are all throughout the universe.
He just suggests that intelligent life elsewhere is not a given.

edit on 13-3-2011 by pazcat because: (no reason given)

All i can say on this matter is, after watching the program Live star gazing with Brian Cox and Dara O'Briain, i believe it was one of the 2 eps starring J Ross. Brian Cox stated live that there are no such things as aliens and the Mayans knew absolutely nothing. Yes you read that right and he said it all in the same sentence.

I was extremely shocked to hear him say that and my opinion of him changed almost instantaneously. Don't get me wrong he is very knowledgeable on what he has been taught. But that statement about aliens and mayans tied with some of the theories i have heard him speak of (which he and every other scientist puts across as fact) are laughable to say the least. Needless to say i stopped watching his programs after that and i would bet i wasn't the only one, then that changed to watching the odd one with it on mute lol just to enjoy the pictures and videos.

Now the last one of his programs i watched ( not the full episode and i cannot remember the name of it ) i thought ok lets unmute it and hear what he has to say now & he stated that yes it is highly likely that microbial forms of life exist and is aware the building blocks are all throughout the universe or something along those lines.

Well ........... u-turns seem to have been quite abundant in the uk for some time now.

Originally posted by McGinty

Originally posted by Shadow Herder
I remember hearing that when the apollo took place having them land and take off was said to have moved the moon. Last couple of years they shot 'missiles' at it for tests.

Could it be that man has pushed the moon?

edit on 13-3-2011 by Shadow Herder because: (no reason given)

That's a wacky, but excellent theory.

it would explain why no one's been back there and , as you say, could suggest that the missiles fired at the Moon could've in fact been attempts to correct its orbit. Would appear they failed....

I think this theory is the closet match to reality thus far.