Kid Catches Alien on Film Once again

Originally posted by EsSeeEye
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Google images

Now, can you show me a comparison with a real alien?

I've seen all those before and none of them are the same as in the photos

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But before, everyone was griping at him about notifying authorities. He has posted the news item. Some people just are never satisfied.

Whatever "It" is, it's evasive.

Originally posted by Slipdig1
All the people I was talking about have strangely congregated here when they couldn't prove the in the other thread fake.

Honestly, they haven't proven a hoax in this thread either. Note the forum description at the top of the page...

[HOAX!]: Dedicated forum for ATS threads that have been proven to be hoaxes, frauds, or part of deceptive schemes on a variety of topics. Topics in this forum will range from those that have proven to be an actual hoax to those where a significant majority of ATS members believe the subject matter to be based on fraudulent material.

I've underlined the section that's clearly pertinent to this thread. ATS has a longstanding history of banning proven hoaxers, and the fact that Alex still has membership status speaks volumes.

Basically what we have here is a bunch of vocally fallacious members flooding in to say "It's an obvious hoax!!! LULZ!!!", then starring each others posts; meanwhile, crying behind the scenes to the mods "but...but...but... it should be in the hoax bin... didn't you see how hard me and the others lul'd?". Such "debunkers" claim to be doing a service for ATS; however, without proper investigation to prove a hoax, the alleged "hoaxers" are allowed to continue on as ATS members freely posting again and again.

The facts of the matter are that Alex has made some incredible claims, and has yet to provide strong evidence to back them up. Also, the "debunkers" haven't provided actual proof of a hoax; so the circle is free to continue until one side gets smart enough to provide conclusive evidence one way or the other.

The facts of the matter are that Alex has made some incredible claims, and has yet to provide strong evidence to back them up.

What strong evidence do i need to provide?

Originally posted by ThePolishedKnob

The facts of the matter are that Alex has made some incredible claims, and has yet to provide strong evidence to back them up.

What strong evidence do i need to provide?

edit on 16-3-2011 by ThePolishedKnob because: (no reason given)

Well, Alex, what you need is clear and undeniable photographic or video evidence of the aliens that can't be mistaken for a human wearing a mask. You need to somehow film one of them from head to foot in good light and clearly focused. Not easy if they run away when you try. Basically, it will have to agree to be filmed!

That or some kind of physical evidence, like an item that can't possibly be from Earth.

If any of that can be obtained you will have the final say.

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Really... that's a question with varied subjective answers; and, quite honestly, nothing able to be provided over the internet will ever be enough to satisfy everyone. That said, clear footage would go a long ways for a solid portion of the people interested. Learn the capabilities/limitations of your night vision camera, or get viable outdoor floodlighting. Methods to improve your filming capabilities, and things to be wary of (like while filming in NV) have already been discussed. As of yet the only portion of your claims the footage seems to prove is that something was physically in your yard, and there's nothing clearly identifiable to rule out non-terrestrial explanations.

Yes the actions of these debunkers make you sick. They aren't here to let anyone talk just here to make everyone belive what they want. I have sent messages to the mod that moved the other thread, but he hasn't answered me. He is friends with some of those against this thread as I saw them acting all chummy in another thread.

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I realize what you are saying and it is a valid point about people who will come on a thread and just "lulz-debunk" but you also have to realize that the only person who needs to prove anything to anyone is the OP. The claims being made need to be substantiated by the OP to convince that he is in fact telling the truth and not staging the entire thing.

I would like to see some comparison shots between what was recorded at night and then during the day, plotted out map-like.

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I've gotta disagree with the notion that the only person who needs to prove anything to anyone is the OP. Anyone making a claim needs to at least be able to back it up with reasonable explanations why, logical analysis, and/or convincing evidence. Had people come in and merely said "sorry, the footage just isn't compelling enough to convince me that there's something extraterrestrial there" that's one thing; however, once counter-claims/accusations start flying... they need to be backed up as well.

Originally posted by Dendro
The claims being made need to be substantiated by the OP to convince that he is in fact telling the truth and not staging the entire thing.

This strikes me as a bit of a false dilemma. While I tend to lean towards there being a very earthly explanation for the videos, it's not necessarily a "truth or intentional-hoax" situation like some here seem to believe (not necessarily speaking of you in particular).

There is the slim possibility that's he is actually telling the truth even though the evidence hasn't been overwhelmingly compelling thus far. There's also the possibility that Alex is the victim of a "prankster" friend/neighbor. In short, people are far too quick to jump to demonizing when counterclaims, such as "hoaxer", are also lacking clear compelling evidence.

At last count the subject seen in the videos was an actual extraterrestrial "alien", a two-dimensional cutout, a mask/costume, and a blow-up doll. Clearly it can't be all four, and none of these claims have been fully supported/proven.

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We can agree to disagree on this. The way the videos are being represented feels very false to me. Why isn't there one general thread by the OP chronically his encounters? Here is a supposed case of repeated visitation in a single location but one has to navigate to different threads to try and get a full picture of what has been happening.

Plus, where are the daytime video/pictures for comparison? Most people, regardless of intention, would have gone out the next morning and tried to identify the spot where the "alien" was and try to determine if there are any disturbances in the spot or footprints.

I find the entire video suspect from him "waking" in his dark bedroom with camera already in hand to the LCD looking lights of the eyes.

For what it is worth, I think this would be a compelling case for Fact or Faked and I've sent links to Ben, Jael and Austen.

Ok, so I watched these video's again. And I am convinced that this is all a bunch of garbage. What disturbs me most is that the OP is more interested in reaching his 500th subscriber.

500th Subscriber will win
ThePolishedKnob's Channel

Win what?! Considering your panhandling efforts, What do you have to offer?

If you wish to contact me personally about a business idea or just general questions email me here: [email protected] If you wish to donate money for my New camera fund, My Paypal account is this. [email protected]

What a monumental hunk of crap.

If this were real, you should contact homeland security.

U.S. Department of Homeland Security
Washington, DC 20528

Operator Number: 202-282-8000
Comment Line: 202-282-8495

Or submit a online form at: Suspected Criminal or Terror Activity

Seeing as this has terrorized you, you should consider this.

In fact I can fill out the form for you. Would you like that Alex? Let me know.

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Since when does the U.S. Department of Homeland Security have jurisdiction in Australia?

Hard to believe you actually "watched these video's again", let alone a first time, and missed that glaringly obvious point.



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Yes, I do agree it's strange there seems to have been no daylight followups on film.

As to the "one general thread", someone else started the last thread and invited him to ATS to discuss it. Later, Alex started this thread in regards to another "sighting" video.

As for the LED looking eyes, my guess would be that's the way his LED light reflected back. It was a poor lighting choice for outdoors at night, and he has a video on his channel where he shows his "new" 64 bulb LED camera light.

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See? Even disagreeing we can still be civil about each other's opinions.

Perhaps if there is another one the OP will go out the next morning and do some comparison shots for us and investigate the area thoroughly. That is what I would really like to see.

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There is a daylight video of the locations! Jeez, it's only 2 threads.

Incidentally, contained within the 2 threads is the whole story.

Please, just read the entirety of the 2 threads, the other one is in the Aliens & UFOs forum.


Heres the other thread but I don't have time to find the daylight video.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Found it:

I can't get the embed youtube thingy to work dammit.

www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by subby

Originally posted by ThePolishedKnob

The facts of the matter are that Alex has made some incredible claims, and has yet to provide strong evidence to back them up.

What strong evidence do i need to provide?

edit on 16-3-2011 by ThePolishedKnob because: (no reason given)

Well, Alex, what you need is clear and undeniable photographic or video evidence of the aliens that can't be mistaken for a human wearing a mask. You need to somehow film one of them from head to foot in good light and clearly focused. Not easy if they run away when you try. Basically, it will have to agree to be filmed!

That or some kind of physical evidence, like an item that can't possibly be from Earth.

If any of that can be obtained you will have the final say.

edit on 16-3-2011 by subby because: (no reason given)

While the above quote is true enough, you'll never get that kind of evidence. I can say that with near certainty because if it were otherwise you would already have it.

That said, I go back around to the suggestions that have been made again and again and again (and have been ignored). Get help. Get real, professional help to assist in a real investigation. Fact or Faked isn't good enough, they're just trying to create interesting television. I won't go over the specifics again, because I and others have already done that, so I'd ask you look back in the thread and answer to that.

The only thing you've accomplished thus far was a blurb on a local newspaper. That leads to nothing. There's been zero interest and no scientific investigation, even though the visits continue to supposedly happen. Before they stop, you need actual scientists with actual clout to witness and record it.

While I feel that once again this suggestion will be ignored, I had the need to say it anyway. The very fact that I and others had this simple, worthwhile suggestion completely ignored is enough evidence to me that either the claims are entirely false, or Alex wants to somehow milk this legendary scientific breakthrough for profit rather than giving the world an answer to the question of whether or not we're being visited by aliens.

Getting professional help will assist in many ways:

If it's a neighbor or friend who's hoaxing Alex, they will be revealed (or stop showing up).
If Alex is hoaxing, we'll all find out (in which case he'd never take this advice, which he thus far hasn't).
If it's a real phenomenon, we'll get actual scientific evidence (which sounds like a win-win to me, considering he's looking for fame on youtube, imagine the fame he'd get if he were the tip to that monumental discovery).

Feel free to gloss right over this post or not answer to the real potential, though. The silence speaks volumes.

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Here ya go!! Still think its fake and this wee boy is having a huge laugh at many peoples expense but hey!!.....

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Actually, 3 threads. This is why it would be nice to have one thread to encompasse this entire... phenomenon.

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Which is the 3rd?

Also, re: getting "scientific" involvement, that's a lovely idea but how is he supposed to do it?
Call 0800 Dial A Scientist? I'm sure if somebody supplied him with an actual office or department he might try.

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Here is the link to the other thread.

I suggest at the very least contacting the people from Fact or Faked. They debunk videos that are unintentional hoaxes to the real deal.