Gakona HAARP on Full Power during Massive EarthQuake in Japan?

Originally posted by Essan
reply to post by Doomzilla

 

You should lighten up a bit. Not everyone is out to get you, you know

Just most of them

Thank you for illustrating my point so very, very well. This is the game, within the game.

Doomzilla can sometimes easily be provoked, and I see you provoking him here. Then he gets flagged for T&C. The debunkers then appear to be the more logical and level headed.

I went through every one of your posts and they every one are designed with a similar pattern. Not one presents a cogent argument or shred of evidence. Your stars are based on belittling.

Your posts should all be flagged for T&C. How does any of yours post, in any way contribute to discussing the topic? They are designed for one purpose only.

People are waking up to your game.

By the way, tesla is extremely pertinent to this whole debate. He was a master of electromagnetics. Just as there is a shift from geoengineering to chemtrails, there is a shift from electromagnetics (EM hereafter for short) to electricity. EM waves are at the heart of the HAARP technology. Science can appear as magic or overly advanced if you keep the knowledge repressed.

EM is the key to breaking open a lot of science that TPTB want repressed. So no, don't look at Tesla and EM... he was just a loony who talked to birds, not the most brilliant mind of the century who's inventions make our society run today and who's research was immediately seized and held as top secret TO THIS DAY. It is stage magician mis-direction on a massive scale. Any budding scientist out there look at EM if you want to make breakthroughs in science, medicine, and consciousness.

reply to post by pianopraze


Praze , its been 3 days since your thread was closed and still no explanation has been forthcoming .
Are you going to make a new thread bro ?

Peace

Originally posted by pianopraze
People are waking up to your game.

Just realised he's from the UK, maybe I can go round to his house and give him a clip around the head?

Where do you live Essan?


(joking incase you try and twist this into something.)

reply to post by Doomzilla


I'm letting it go DZ. The mods have their reasons.

I think truth was exposed there, so I'm happy. The show will be on tonight at 9pm est, check it out and listen to the good doctor and others. It should be a wonderful debate.

I think there is an interesting link between this thread and that one.

Harrp was also developed, in part, for geoengineering according to the patents. I wonder if they weren't trying to trigger Japan's volcano with this use of HAARP. I would love to see the time and dates of the other recent volcano eruptions and see if harp was active for any of them.

reply to post by pianopraze

You admit it has many functions, then turn around and insinuate it only has one - in the same sentence? *shakes head* Alice in Wonderland there buddy. I'm used to seeing that kind of mind bending logic and am familiar.

I stopped reading there, you've missed the point entirely.

For the second (or third?) time the induction magnetometer is one instrument of many at HAARP.

It monitors variations in the geomagnetic field in ultra low frequency - That's all.

There's an entire page with other realtime data collecting instruments, you can find that HERE

I'm not bending logic here, you seem to think one chart represents all instruments at HAARP, THAT is bending logic!

You don't look at a cars speedometer to see if it needs fuel do you?

reply to post by Hitoshura


Yes I believe solar radiation and wind can influence the magnetometer.

And that's the thing, it is recording temporal variations in the geomagnetic field directly above the HAARP facility.

It proves nothing.

reply to post by pianopraze


Watch the movie called "surrogates", basically, people use robots controlled from an artificial device in order to live out thier lives, losing thier humanity in the process. I mean, you never know, they might even reach the technological ability to transfer our awareness into the mind of a genetically engineered machine, that exists in its own version of reality.

HAARP with hardware upgrade

I'm among the people who hasn't decided what to believe yet, regarding this tragedy being a natural disaster, or a calculated act of murder & destruction on a phenomenal scale.

But what I will say to whomever posted earlier questioning the possible motives behind the latter scenario, is that there's tons of evidence availabe, exposing the desire of some powerful individuals to wipe a huge percentage of the 'useless eaters' off the planet.

Maybe they want us to believe it's the approaching apocolypse to prepare us for an Operation Bluebeam type deception?

I expect most people here are familiar with the illuminati card game. For those who aren't, here's one from the deck...

media.adamdodson.org...

reply to post by Chadwickus


HAARP can initiate wide-range heating in the ionosphere, or it can be focused to heat a specific region of ionosphere. As I understand it, the HAARP array can be similarly focused to propagate waves of 'tuned' radiation (of a specific and predetermined wavelength) which will reflect from the atmosphere down onto certain wide-ranging or specific locations on Earth (ground-based targeting).

Hence 'over-the-horizon' radar applications etc.

Select a tactically-determined region where tensile/ sheer stress in an area of unstable tectonics is high - target the region with 'tuned', materially resonant waves of ELF radiation, and hey presto, you've got yourself an Earthquake (or a blown caldera, or a burst dam, or whatever).

If it can be done in a sandbox with regular household-supply power, then it can be scaled up to geographical regions - HAARP, and other facilities of similar ilk, provide the power source for such targeting.



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To clarify my position and essential response to your argument (that magnetometer readings from the days prior, when no earthquakes occurred, can somehow lead one to the conclusion that HAARP is incapable of causing an earthquake) is to simply say that your 'argument' is nonsense. It is proven nonsensical, by your unwillingness to confront some rather basic details. For example - take a simple logical progression from the awareness of the science under which the technology operates. HAARP is designed to manipulate the planetary environment - its operation is made possible by our knowledge & control of particle physics. Our entire biosphere is constituted from particles in substrate. EM technology, electromagnetic technology, offers a means to explore wave-particle conundrums and interact with the totality of the environment. By propagating waves of radiation through particles we can access the physical infrastructure of the biosphere, and with practice, manipulate it.

In drawing someone to the conclusion that HAARP is capable of a lot more than the propagandists let on, I could also argue that the facility was designed to operate covertly over planet-sized distances. I could also point out that the project is heavily militarized.

HAARP can be on and beaming across a wide area, causing minimal ground interference - perhaps while they experiment with weather manipulation? Weather changes would require no ground-based targeting..

Ground-based targeting is pencilled-in as a once per month treat for the sadists in charge of the buttons.

reply to post by FlyInTheOintment


Sounds like you're the one spreading the propaganda here actually, what do you have to back up your claims? Or is it just made up by an over active imagination?

Sounds like the latter to me.

Here's some peer reviewwed propaganda for you:

www.gi.alaska.edu... - 245 published papers here

www.californiaamateurradioservice.com...
www.bibliotecapleyades.net...
nlpc.stanford.edu...
coloradolinux.com...
www.ann-geophys.net...
www.nict.go.jp...
ursi-test.intec.ugent.be...
www.astro.auth.gr...
www.lpi.usra.edu...
www-star.stanford.edu...
www.physorg.com...
hal.archives-ouvertes.fr...


From www.abovetopsecret.com...

Sorry there's no youtube vids

reply to post by pianopraze


Who knows really, the science behind what they are doing, how they are controlling the weather and electromagnetic conditions of the planet might be far ahead of what most of our mainstream science can understand. I have also read about what they call a "crustal shift", its all to do with the magnetic field of the Earth, possibly the spin of the inner core... Its all really conjecture, however, it could be that all the cell phones, antennas and satellites are much more than network communications, perhaps if networked together they could be one massive "haarp" around the entire world!

I don't have a lot to add here. Other members have pretty much covered the facts. The induction magnetometer is, indeed, not a representation of HAARP activity, but rather shows the Earth's magnetic field. Fluctuations are not uncommon, especially during a major earthquake.

I know I've alredy posted this in a few other threads, but here's the reply I recieved after asking HAARP's chief science advisor if HAARP caused the Japan quake:

From: Konstantinos Dennis Papadopoulos
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: HAARP question
Date: Mar 13, 2011 4:33 PM
HAARP cannot do anything like that. Its power is electromagnetic like a radio station. Radio stations put out more than 1000000 time more power than HAARP and do not create earthquakes. In any way HAARP has not operated during the last month
DP

Take it as you will. Of course, he was referring to the Alaska installation. I don't know about others around the world. I do, however, know this:

ELF signals generated by the HAARP heater are also simultaneously observed at a nearby ground‐based site, allowing a comparison of the ELF power in the Earth‐ionosphere waveguide versus that detected on DEMETER. The estimated values of power onboard DEMETER at different frequencies range from 0.32W to 4W, while the values of power estimated from a ground receiver at a distance of 36 km from HAARP range from 2.71W to 4.22W.

source
Now, perhaps someone can explain how less than 5watts of energy can cause an earthquake

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Interesting.

So, seems that HAARP can detect Earthquake....

reply to post by Arken

No, not at all. How did you reach that conclusion?
The induction magnetometer is not HAARP. It's an intrument to monitor the Earth's magnetic field which they can use to determine what, if any, effect HAARP is having on it when active. They keep it running in order to have a data set with which to conduct their analysis.

The magnetic field fluctuates pretty constantly due to any number of factors. Shifting of the tectonic plates, solar flares, grvitational effects from the moon and other things all influence the magnetic field. I suppose that if they could somehow fine tune it to determine what, exactly, is affecting it at any given time, they might be able to use it to predict earthquakes, but to my knowledge, they don't yet have that ability.

Originally posted by Essan
Given the number of earthquakes that occur every day, it's an absolute certainty that every time HAARP is switched on there's an earthquake.

Then again, it's an absolute certainty that every time I boil the kettle there's an earthquake .......

The argument seems to be that if HAARP is operating and there is an earthquake, then HAARP caused the earthquake. Whereas if HAARP is not switched on and there is an earthquake then HAARP did not cause the earthquake.

Has anyone checked what the situation was during Wednesday's big Tokyo earthquake? Or the smaller (but more damaging) one in China this week?

edit on 12-3-2011 by Essan because: added comment

Seems like a valid argument to me, if everytime i touched a gun it shot my foot, i would have the common sense to stop touching that gun right

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Well, The European Commission and its Scientific Office don't think so, like you.

www.europarl.europa.eu...//EP//TEXT+REPORT+A4-1999-0005+0+DOC+XML+V0//EN
For the scientific european panel HAARP is a weapon!

HAARP - a weapons system which disrupts the climate
Report A4-0005/1999On 5 February 1998 Parliament's Subcommittee on Security and Disarmament held a hearing the subject of which included HAARP. NATO and the US had been invited to send representatives, but chose not to do so. The Committee regrets the failure of the USA to send a representative to answer questions, or to use the opportunity to comment on the material submitted.(21)

HAARP (High Frequency Active Auroral Research Project) is run jointly by the US Air Force and Navy, in conjunction with the Geophysical Institute of the University of Alaska, Fairbanks. Similar experiments are also being conducted in Norway, probably in the Antarctic, as well as in the former Soviet Union.(22) HAARP is a research project using a ground based apparatus, an array of antennae each powered by its own transmitter, to heat up portions of ionosphere with powerful radio beams.(23) The energy generated heats up parts of the ionosphere; this results in holes in the ionosphere and produces artificial 'lenses'.

HAARP can be used for many purposes. Enormous quantities of energy can be controlled by manipulating the electrical characteristics of the atmosphere. If used as a military weapon this can have a devastating impact on an enemy. HAARP can deliver millions of times more energy to a given area than any other conventional transmitter. The energy can also be aimed at a moving target which should constitute a potential anti-missile system.

The project would also allow better communications with submarines and manipulation of global weather patterns, but it is also possible to do the reverse, to disrupt communications. By manipulating the ionosphere one could block global communications while transmitting one's own. Another application is earth-penetrating, tomography, x-raying the earth several kilometres deep, to detect oil and gas fields, or underground military facilities. Over-the-horizon radar is another application, looking round the curvature of the earth for in-coming objects.

From the 1950s the USA conducted explosions of nuclear material in the Van Allen Belts(24) to investigate the effect of the electro-magnetic pulse generated by nuclear weapon explosions at these heights on radio communications and the operation of radar. This created new magnetic radiation belts which covered nearly the whole earth. The electrons travelled along magnetic lines of force and created an artificial Aurora Borealis above the North Pole. These military tests are liable to disrupt the Van Allen belt for a long period. The earth's magnetic field could be disrupted over large areas, which would obstruct radio communications. According to US scientists it could take hundreds of years for the Van Allen belt to return to normal. HAARP could result in changes in weather patterns. It could also influence whole ecosystems, especially in the sensitive Antarctic regions.

Another damaging consequence of HAARP is the occurrence of holes in the ionosphere caused by the powerful radio beams. The ionosphere protects us from incoming cosmic radiation. The hope is that the holes will fill again, but our experience of change in the ozone layer points in the other direction. This means substantial holes in the ionosphere that protects us.

With its far-reaching impact on the environment HAARP is a matter of global concern and we have to ask whether its advantages really outweigh the risks. The environmental impact and the ethical aspect must be closely examined before any further research and testing takes place. HAARP is a project of which the public is almost completely unaware, and this needs to be remedied.

HAARP has links with 50 years of intensive space research for military purposes, including the Star Wars project, to control the upper atmosphere and communications. This kind of research has to be regarded as a serious threat to the environment, with an incalculable impact on human life. Even now nobody knows what impact HAARP may have. We have to beat down the wall of secrecy around military research, and set up the right to openness and democratic scrutiny of military research projects, and parliamentary control.

A series of international treaties and conventions (the Convention on the prohibition of military or any other hostile use of environmental modification techniques, the Antarctic Treaty, the Treaty on principles governing the activities of states in the exploration and use of outer space including the moon and other celestial bodies, and the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea) casts considerable doubt on HAARP on legal as well as humanitarian and political grounds. The Antarctic Treaty lays down that the Antarctic may be used exclusively for peaceful purposes.(25) This would mean that HAARP is a breach of international law. All the implications of the new weapons systems should be examined by independent international bodies. Further international agreements should be sought to protect the environment from unnecessary destruction in war.



On the environment, security and foreign policy
Draftsman: Mr Olsson, Committee on the Environment, Public Health and Consumer Protection
(Hughes procedure)
Committee on Foreign Affairs, Security and Defence Policy
Rapporteur: Mrs Maj Britt Theorin

Legal aspects of military activities.
26. Calls on the European Union to seek to have the new 'non-lethal' weapons technology and the development of new arms strategies also covered and regulated by international conventions;

27. Considers HAARP (High Frequency Active Auroral Research Project) by virtue of its farreaching impact on the environment to be a global concern and calls for its legal, ecological and ethical implications to be examined by an international independent body before any further research and testing; regrets the repeated refusal of the United States Administration to send anyone in person to give evidence to the public hearing or any subsequent meeting held by its competent committee into the environmental and public risks connected with the high Frequency Active Auroral Research Project (HAARP) programme currently being funded in Alaska;

28. Requests the Scientific and Technological Options Assessment (STOA) Panel to agree to examine the scientific and technical evidence provided in all existing research findings on HAARP to assess the exact nature and degree of risk that HAARP poses both to the local and global environment and to public health generally;

29. Calls on the Commission, in collaboration with the governments of Sweden, Finland, Norway and the Russian Federation, to examine the environmental and public health implications of the HAARP programme for Arctic Europe and to report back to Parliament with its findings;

30. Calls in particular for an international convention for a global ban on all research and development, whether military or civilian, which seeks to apply knowledge of the chemical, electrical, sound vibration or other functioning of the human brain to the development of weapons which might enable any form of manipulation of human beings, including a ban on any actual or possible deployment of such systems;

31. Calls on the European Union and its Member States to work for the establishment of international treaties to protect the environment from unnecessary destruction in the event of war;

32. Calls on the European Union and its Member States to work towards the establishment of international standards for the environmental impact of peacetime military activities;

33. Calls on the Council to play an active part in the implementation of the proposals of the Canberra Commission and Article 6 of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty on nuclear disarmament;

reply to post by Arken

That just shows that there are uninformed people everywhere.
From the European Commission's site:

However the Commission accepts no responsibility or liability whatsoever with regard to the information on this site.
This information is:
of a general nature only and is not intended to address the specific circumstances of any particular individual or entity;
not necessarily comprehensive, complete, accurate or up to date;
sometimes linked to external sites over which the Commission services have no control and for which the Commission assumes no responsibility;
not professional or legal advice (if you need specific advice, you should always consult a suitably qualified professional).

source

I think I would find a source of information that does not admit that their info is "not necessarily comprehensive, complete, accurate or up to date" from which to draw my conclusions.

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A great Auroral and on High Frequency LOL!

reply to post by Arken

Thank you for that fascinating insight.
Very essential, I'm sure...