Hundreds of dead fish appear in Glen Ellyn pond

reply to post by GullibleUnderlord


Wow. Thanks for the list. Thats crazy.

I know that increased awareness might be leading to increased reporting and this actually might not be unusual, but holy smokes it sure seems crazy and unusual from where I am standing.

Sudden temperature drop
Starting January 3, two million Leiostomus xanthurus washed up on beaches in the Chesapeake Bay in Maryland. But they are not yet a sign that the end of the world is near.

Instead, it appears firrarna have fallen victim to a sudden temperature drop. They simply died of cold water, "says Jay Apperson, a spokesman for the state's environment ministry, The Baltimore Sun.

The coldest in 25 years
The month of December 2010 was the coldest December months in the region for 25 years and this, combined with the large and young fish stock, is behind the mass death.

Similar mass deaths have occurred twice before in the state's history.

1976 found as many as 15 million fish dead. 1980 occurred the same thing, but with a lower death toll.

Mystery in New Zealand
But for those who want to put on foil hat again, Aftonbladet [swedish newspaper] conclude by saying that even a mystery occurred in New Zealand.

In this study, the authorities why hundreds of fish - most of which lacked their eyes - the last few days washed up on beaches.

the only thing that makes this normal is that we have been seeing so
many deaths since the newyear that it just seems normal now , but this is not normal , most of these deaths they have given stupid explanations for and the media jokes about almost every case ! when
major news networks cover the story it is only for about 2 minutes and
they joke about it then move on ,they want you to think its ok and funny
but its not ok and not funny something bad is going on and it is getting
worse, more deaths more often ,

something struck me the other day seeing all these reports...

the thing is in all the photos i cant help but notice the LACK OF SEAGULLS AND BIRDS FEEDING on the dead fish?

can someone explain.. if birds wont even touch the fish why are people fishing the fish out to eat them!?

Could it be due to lack of vitamin Tiamin?

frokenarktis.wordpress.com... /ekonytt-mystisk-fageldod-runt-ostersjokusten-uppklarad/

reply to post by GullibleUnderlord

I.m not denying that worldwide and in the U.S. there seems to be more of these incidents occuring. I too have been concerned about some of the reported kills. There are some reports that are just wierd.
I'm just stating that some of the reports are natural occurances.
I've have fished all my life as have my husband, father etc. we have known of these kills in our area for years.
A pacticular pond can be fine for years and then something goes wrong. Even DNR will tell you, sometimes they don't have answers for occurance's they see. Nature is mysterious. We don't know all the answers.
If you have ever had a auqurium you know you have to be very careful with your PH levels or you can lose the whole thing. Even introducing different speices can cause problems.
We hear of people catching fish in one pond and putting them in another. That can be death to a pond in itself.
Thats why we have so many rules and regs, regarding washing your boat before you go from one lake to another.

And up here, the DNR will check your catch to make sure its dead. That is the law, so that diseases don't get spread from one lake to another.

it is looking like the first hour of a disaster movie out there!
earthquakes we are getting higher magnitudes more often and
increased volcanic activity, bad weather, sun is getting more active
major flooding , i follow this stuff daily, and it is painting a dire picture
call me paranoid but i have never felt like this ! its like watching a scene play out daily leading up to one big event , and i think soon
it will be impossible to deny that things are not right with this earth

reply to post by crappiekat


yeah i understand what you're saying , some are normal , but many are not, and just the fact that the media and the scientists make up
dumb excuses and laugh about it worries me more , like they do not
want us to think it is important , that in its self is a red flag! i just wish i knew what could be going on that is connected to all of these
unexplained deaths , have there been any recent bird deaths? or just
fish kills latly ?

reply to post by stavis


do you have a english link?

This cannot be, "not" affecting our drinking water supplies (IMO). When it rains over the rotting, skin and flesh of the dead and dying carcasses... the runoff eventually ends up in aquifers, or wells or streams that drinking water comes from. On another note, there seems to be video footage of one of these "bird die off's" live caught on video camera. Its only a short clip, so check it out.

www.youtube.com...

in a lot of videos people say large amounts of birds were flying in a certain direction like away from something , even birds that dont normally flock together if we could figure out what they were running from and where that might give us clues to something maybe , makes me think of solar radiation , maybe it is leaking in from somewhere and
that is what is killing the fish and birds

reply to post by flashcube


that death in the video might have been due to the heat from the launch, but cool video .

reply to post by wongy


yeah that is very strange ! all of that easy food and the birds want nothing of them, i wish someone could get one of the dead fish and
have some tests ran on them that way we could have our own proof
of their death.

reply to post by GullibleUnderlord

www.balticsea2020.com... tiaminbrist-hos-blamussla-och-ejder-i-oestersjoen-atgaerder-och-undersoekningar-av-orsak&catid=53%3Apagaende-projekt&Itemid=93&lang=en

I hope this will do?

reply to post by stavis


nope not english lol can you just explain what you're trying to say?

reply to post by GullibleUnderlord


English pdf at bottom. It does say something about thiamine b1 deffeiciency .

reply to post by GullibleUnderlord


lol

here it is:

Thiamine deficiency in mussels and eider in the Baltic Sea
- cause studies


Project leader: Lennart Balk, Associate professor at Stockholm University
Project duration: 10.01.2010 - 31.12.2013




Introduction
Previous studies of the Baltic Sea have shown that several species of fish, and now more recently in many species of birds, is suffering from a vitamin B1 (thiamin) deficiency. The shortage is causing behavioral and reproductive disorders and also leads to excess mortality among both fish and birds. Overall, the impacts of thiamin deficiency cause a decrease of the affected species' populations, which in turn lead to impossible sustainable management of the affected species in the Baltic Sea region.



The fact that many species in different animal groups and different ecological niches are affected makes it reasonable to assume that there is a common underlying cause. It is also very likely that the cause is chemical, because the morbidity and mortality of this kind and of this scale could never be considered natural.



Aim and working method
The projects primary objective is to determine which chemical factor causes the thiamine deficiency in birds. Suspected substances, selected through chemical knowledge, will be examined in the laboratory by exposure of birds and fish. Received biochemical symptoms of these laboratory-exposed birds will be compared with the symptoms of wild birds. The project group intends to focus on the eider (Somateria mollissima) because the species is one of the most distinctive species in the Baltic Sea which is affected by thiamine deficiency.



Individuals of eider females will be treated with thiamine as a preventive measure prior to reproduction. With the help of radio transmitters, these individuals can be followed to their reproductive location, where their reproductive outcomes will be compared with the non-treated females in the area. The status of thiamine will be characterized both chemically and biochemically to obtain full information about the deficiency. The project will also examine thiamine deficiency variables which are less specific for thiamine deficiency but that probably correlates stronger with the clinical symptom of affected individuals.



Furthermore, since the blue mussel (Mytilus edulis) is a very important species for both the entire Baltic Sea as an inland sea and as well as the main food of eider, the project group intend to use this organism as an indicator of thiamine for various local/regional areas of the Baltic Sea. To characterize changes in the amount of thiamine during the annual cycle in different regions by examining the level of thiamine in mussels in the entire area will be an important goal of this project. The results obtained during this project will be able to provide important information about the chemical factors that may be the cause of thiamine deficiency. The project will be documented by photos and film clips and later reported to the public in connection with the scientific presentation.


www.nyhetspressen.se...

en.wikipedia.org...

Little bit about thiamine. Wiki? yes

not saying all the mass deaths are not troubling, but as stated before, in the midwest it is common. I have lived in the midwest my entire life and simply because it has not happened at that pond before does not mean it is not a normal natural event.
Recently Chicago has had alot of snow and cold temps, what happens is if enough ice and snow are covering the pond it can cause a fish kill. We had one just last week where thousands of fish from all species there and sizes are dead, but the pond had alot of ice and over a foot of snow on top. The ice has mealted and now there are dead fish popping up everywhere. It has never to my knowledge happened there before but this winter, the conditions were ripe for it and it happened.

Several years ago we had a 500 acre lake which was thriving since I was a kid, just all of sudden have a massive fish kill. What happened is a couple weeks prior we had heavy rains, this raised the level of the water high enough which cause the vegetation to die, and in turn the fish died next. I think this Chicago event is nothing more than the correct conditions this winter for a fish kill, regardless if it had happened prior.

I would just like to point out the history of animal die-offs seems to be incomplete.

This might be normal in the big picture.

I would like to hear what percentage of the Ocean's creatures that have died.

How many mammals have been affected?

This does seem way over the normal line.