Am i a terrorist ?

reply to post by Nephi1337


You need to have the courage to admit that Terrorists exist among Islamic People. No, your not a Terrorist unless you kill innocent people over differences in Religion or Ideology and hate others because they believe different than you. We can all live together until one side tries to dictate to the other.

Most of the problems are caused by a few radicals who want to force Sharia on the world. You simply can not be blind to the fact that who I would call a Terrorist, kill mostly other Muslims. It should concern you that Muslims are slaughtering other Muslims over differences in beliefs. It should bother you some want to force their beliefs on the whole world.

I have a few Muslim friends and acquaintances. They are all good people who don't believe in the things the Jihadists do. I suppose if they were back to their homelands they would be targets of Terrorists themselves.

You also need to understand how blowing up innocent people in the streets who are just shopping and harming nobody would turn others against these people. There is no rational justification for blowing up fellow Muslims who are just out shopping or socializing. It's time for the majority of you who ARE decent people to stand up yourselves against the insane fanatics among your Faith. This plan to take over the world and shove their beliefs down everyone's throats is a product of insanity, not Islam. I highly doubt their leaders even believe in your Faith to begin with. They just use it for control and power.

Now if you are also for taking over the world and shoving your beliefs down everyone's throats and if you have no problem with Muslims blowing each other up every day, then perhaps you might be a Terrorist. Heck we don't even know if your in the US as you say? For all anyone knows people who are here all the time arguing in favor of these evil acts are all Terrorists pretending to be something else.

Your right we should not have been in Iraq and I agree. That does not excuse the Terrorists who have slaughtered so many over ridiculous difference in their beliefs. It does not excuse the treatment of Women under Sharia and the barbaric practices associated with it. The blame for those sin's lies directly on the heads of those allowing it and participating in it.

You really think Allah put you here to add to peoples suffering? You really think peaceful loving people blow up other people? No, of course not, they are just evil people using Religion as an excuse and no different from the Murderers we put behind bars here. Defending them makes a person complicit in their evil crimes against other Human Beings. In any culture they are the scum of the Earth.

Christianity saw its share of these evil men, but figured out the truth long ago. There are Terrorists living among all groups. It would be easier to just label them Psychopaths as that is what they are and Allah / God has nothing to with it.

There is no reason we can't live side by side as long as one side does not decide they are on a Holy quest to force their Faith on everyone else. We can all worship our own ways, even living together, but the moment you mix Government and Religion it all falls apart. Then it's back to one Faith attempting to force themselves on another against their will and if we don't have free will, what's the point exactly? To be eternal Slaves?

reply to post by Nephi1337


I desire to see this thread to see what a muslim is saying about islam. Do I think your a terrorist or a bad person? I am in no position to judge. I did my time in Iraq and saw many muslim extremists so I can be very biased. The same could be said to me for what I have done. I don't know you and you don't know me. If I could to judge from here I would say you seem like a very nice guy. If Islam makes you happy then practice it. Don't ever let anyone sway you away from something if it makes you happy and a better person. Its not the religion that makes you, its what you make of the religion.

A question? Do you believe that Islam is destined to rule the world under an Islamic Theocracy and do you think it's your duty to Allah to work towards that end, by force if necessary? Are you opposed to Secular Government and Freedom or Religion and Speech without fear of reprisal or loosing any other rights or priveledges?

Those are the defining questions. Can you answer those?

No matter what point you are trying to convey. Please use Capitalization.

It's the difference between:

I helped my Uncle Jack off a horse....or i helped my uncle jack off a horse.

reply to post by Blaine91555


Since you were on here and would not answer my two simple questions, I guess you don't want to? In a way, that is an answer I suppose.

Originally posted by Blaine91555
A question? Do you believe that Islam is destined to rule the world under an Islamic Theocracy and do you think it's your duty to Allah to work towards that end, by force if necessary? Are you opposed to Secular Government and Freedom or Religion and Speech without fear of reprisal or loosing any other rights or priveledges?

Those are the defining questions. Can you answer those?

No i do not believe Islam is destined to rule the world , do you believe it is ? , it is my duty to take in and except any faith that i encounter, does Islam have missionary's that go around door to door and try to convert people ? like other religions ? i surely have not seen this so long as i have been Muslim , it is my duty to pass on the words of Allah to anyone who wishes to hear the words , Islam does not force people to become Muslim, i was never forced infact i had to go an Imam ( teacher of Islam ) to ask questions , that is why i dont understand when people say that Islam is trying to take over the world ,it just does not make sens to me , in Islam the only times where one should even consider even taking any type of force is if would be if your home is under attack or if your religion is under attack , and even then it should first be a peaceful reseloution

reply to post by Nephi1337

No, my friend, you are no terrorist. This comes from a Wiccan, don't really know how you all fell about us, but here is my take. The "terrorist" is the one who causes bad things to happen for a profit, either monetarily, or politically in nature. Religion is the applied Label, but the man, or woman, is not the label. Human beings label things. Everything you see when you look around has a label. Why do you call it that? someone told you to call it that. See how this goes? Create a terrorist act in which people get killed and maimed, people of a certain religion, and then blame it on the other religion, which, by the way, they were told to do that also. People need to stop listening to those who are not positive in nature, and in service to others. Religions need to begin teaching tolerance instead of hatred, and they need to start teaching people not to make war on each other for the cause of religion. Can any one of you sit there and tell me religion isn't a part of the current Middle East unrest and political breakdown?
We are an intelligent lot here, I think we all know who the real terrorist is here, don't we?

reply to post by Nephi1337


Diversions are not answers they are obfuscation. Those were yes or no questions.

Yes it does sound like the NWO which means you get it. No, your not a Terrorist. You're just another Human Being I have nothing against and I hope life is good to you.

Being Christian is no easier these days with all the Christian Haters so vocal now. I just consider the source and pity them for living a life filled with hate and no hope.

reply to post by autowrench


aww auto , always good to see you on theese kind of threads , you allways bring a good vibe with your very true wise words , thank you and i agree with what you say , thank you my friend

reply to post by Nephi1337


Salaamu Alaikum

Well you saw how my thread went bro. So over the next couple of days be prepared to hear some off the wall type of stuff. It is what it is though from what I see. Those who are already opposed to islam period, will remain opposed and those who aren't against it, will remain. The people who think you and I are out to blow something up will keep thinking that.

There's not much we can do to change peoples minds either. Even if we were to join the Army they'd say it's a Nidal Hassan type infiltration.

God bless
Salaama

reply to post by My.mind.is.mine



W.S brother , i hear you my friend , but keep in mind Allah said that he would place a seal over the hearts of the none believers , but that seal is never permanent my brother , raise your iman and people will start to see your peace and become curious , i am here for you brother any time feel free to u2u me

peace be with you brother Allahu Akbar ! !

reply to post by Nephi1337


Just U2U each other, stop the public displays... Yeeesh..


Ugh, feels like the SydneyIslam forums all over again, till they closed it off to public review - when too many members are caught being over the top...

Do you discriminate against non-believers in general?

Do you feel you are better or morally superior than non-believers?

Do you stereotype all Westerners because the actions of a few politicians or a few goverment officials?

Do you create bombs or spread hate/violence messages in the street (or elsewhere) aimed against Westerners or non-believers?

Do you agree with the Quran?

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.

Quran (8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end."

Quran (9:14) - "Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace..."

Quran (9:20) - "Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah's way are of much greater worth in Allah's sight. These are they who are triumphant." The "striving" spoken of here is Jihad.

If you disagree with the Quran's verses; why call yourself a Muslim?

These verses HAVE NOT been misterpretted. One of the Islam's alledged benefits is that the QuRan has never been re-written or mistranslated ...... Yeah and it's still wicked and evil.

reply to post by Nephi1337


If you follow the teachings of the koran, faithfully and fundamentally, then yes, you would be a terrorist. Ask Bin Laden

reply to post by KJV1611

If you follow the teachings of the Bible, faithfully and fundamentally, then yes, you would be a terrorist. Ask the Hutaree .

As for aoa's quotes, I think he's missing the context of the surrounding texts, it might do him/her good to check those out.

As long as you don't kill more than 1 person in a religious/political act or threaten to do so you are not a terrorist. Personally the TSA has bothered me more than any muslim.

reply to post by babloyi


I could say that about all religions. If you subscribe to 1 specific religion created by ancient man, you automatically disregard the others, there's no denying that. The religious are Atheist towards every other "theory" of God but their own.

Christians are "terrorists" lol, that's as idiotic as saying all Muslims are "terrorists". Of course, to each religion's God (Allah or Yahweh for example) other religions would be seen as "terrorist groups" lol.

Ahhh it's all fun and games.

reply to post by babloyi


Hutaree? hahaha!!! They were formed in 2008 and haven't killed anyone, ever. What a sad comparison, but I suspected no less from ignorance.

Compare religions that are similar please or you show your lack of religious intelligence. Catholics and muslims would be a better comparison.

reply to post by KJV1611

What about the Lord's Resistance Army, then? Or The Orange Volunteers? Or the Army of God? Violence certainly hasn't been exclusive to the Roman Catholic brand of Christianity.

I find it interesting how christians attempt to separate Catholicism from "their" version of Christianity, but then embrace almost their entire tradition, and learning up to the point of the split. Sorry to say, but Catholicism is Christianity.

reply to post by Nephi1337


While the god made human conscience rejects the thought of slaying the innocent, carefully inculcating extremist views wrapped in so called sacred texts can overcome your conscience and program you to kill. Unfortunately if you want to follow the later teachings of Muhammed to the letter, you are required to wage war and 'smite' the unbeliever. A cleric will eventually egg you on in that direction.

Some examples of the teachings of the Koran:

Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. - 2:191

Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely. - Sura 2:193 and 8:39

Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. - 2:216
(different translation: ) Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is hateful to

When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds, then set them free, either by grace or ransom, until the war lays down its burdens. - 47:4
(different translation: ) When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off their heads, and when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly.

and many others. Thus if you want to be a fundamentalist Islamic and if you really believe the Koran is of God, than you must start killing the rest of us, hence you are a terrorist.

By contrast the New Testament commands Jesus' followers to love one another and to even love their enemies. You can't find any call to kill unbelievers in the New Testament. The only discipline prescribed is to throw unrepentant sinners out of church. Jesus and the New Testament commands us to test the spirits and test prophecies. False prophets will be revealed "by their fruit". What are the fruits of Islam?
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