Has Gadaffi been fighting the New World Order?

reply to post by Edews


You honestly just pull the Wikipedia Card?..Come on man

Um, so, guys, maybe we shouldn't assume that because we see a lot of Arabs tweeting and facebook posting in English (as the mod did) that there is popular discontent? This story this morning is breaking from the Tampa Tribune (shades of HBGary story of 2 weeks ago except much more advanced):

“In August, the Tampa-based command, which oversees U.S. military operations in … much of the Middle East, signed a $2.76 million contract with Ntrepid Corp. to provide software that will create as many as 500 ‘different online persons’ with ‘background, history, supporting details, and cyber presences that are technically, culturally and geographically consistent,’ according to details from the contract request posted online in June”

www2.tbo.com...

Does CentCom want fake social media profiles of fake Arabs because, (a) they have a great recipe for hummus they want to let everyone know about, or, (b) they want to influence public opinion (like they accomplished with the mod who was here earlier with his definitive proof everything is on the up-and-up because he read people posting on Twitter and Facebook)?

reply to post by zuul000


Wow. I keep thinking how so many evils in this world would go away if we freed ourselves from the need for money. No one would have motive to create fake online "people." [sigh]

He definitely has vocalized his opinions in the past regarding the NWO, and he does not like 'em...

But at the moment, it appears that the only person he is fighting is himself.

Originally posted by zuul000
Reading this rant I was reminded of Two Minutes Hate ... the 2 minutes each day citizens of Britain, in 1984, would express state-stirred hatred against Emmanuel Goldstein.

edit on 8-3-2011 by zuul000 because: (no reason given)

So now even a Human emotion is part of some grand conspiracy?
Some people are truly beyond belief.

The UN did nothing while Israel slaughtered people in Gaza. The UN did nothing for Egypt, and nothing for Tunisia. The UN has done nothing while Gadaffi murders his own people.

The UN is a useless waste of space, air and money. If meetings solved anything, they would be the most effective organisation ever created by man, because it seems that ALL they are CAPABLE of doing is discussing and condemning the sick behaviour of governments and dictators around the world. When it comes to actually making a decision that could save lives, they drag their heels and murmur pathetic and weak sentiment while the rest of the Human race looks on in horror.

Am I angry about that? Damn right I am!

You'd have thought that after WW2 we would have learned that waiting and delaying the inevitable costs lives and eventually unspeakable horrors are revealed. But no, over sixty years later we're still p*ssing about with "messages of condemnation" and "clear signals of dissatisfaction".
And you'd have thought we would have learned that making dodgy arms deals with these psychopaths would be out of the question too. But hell no, if there's a nut-case in the world who needs arming, the USA and Britain will be there earning their cut!

Whatever you think about my opinions, you cannot deny that we invaded a nation based on "suspicion" that a dictator was capable of killing lots of people (it didn't have ANYTHING to do with the Oil, right?)
And yet, when we KNOW an evil government or dictator is murdering people, we're suddenly reluctant to intervene?

Originally posted by Edews
Yea he's a saint alright.

en.wikipedia.org...

ATS has gone so far downhill these last two years that i probably won't visit again after this post.

edit on 8/3/11 by Edews because: (no reason given)

Regardless of the unreliable wiki link, I'm afraid I have to agree with you. This place is becoming a psychiatric ward.

We actually have members defending a dictator (or somehow excusing his actions), and their reasons for doing so are based on a ridiculous conspiracy that has NEVER made any sense to those with an analytical mind. It's very surprising that so many members who show a lot of intelligence in their posts believe in a fantasy without the required evidence for it.

I've never said this before, as I am indeed open to almost any idea, but I sincerely believe a lot of people here have stopped taking their meds.

I have always believed that the NWO is nothing more than greed and corporate power. It makes absolutely no sense that a group of men a century ago planned for people they would never meet to control the planet. Human desire doesn't work like that, greed doesn't work like that, even the most distorted and corrupt minds do not think like that. It is all about the self.
The NWO is simply a manifestation of the most powerful and influential people in the world abusing the rest of Humanity for profit. Nothing more and nothing less. Yes, they might form clubs and groups in their dealings, but these are momentary and used solely to gain more wealth and power. But there is a limit on the time they have, and that is one lifetime for each. There is no baton to pass and no organisation to indoctrinate others into.

Note: Please don't waste your time bombarding the thread with so-called "evidence" of the NWO harvested from youtube. I could make some videos today and have many ATS members convinced of whatever I like. There's even a format for it; disconnect the logical mind, offer a proven comparison, gain trust through offering examples of "research" and then bombard them with facts that you know they will not research. You can convince a person of almost anything using this method or a variation of it. I have researched all of what I have seen relating to the NWO, and I have debunked almost every aspect of it time and time again. It - as an entity - does. not. exist.

I think I'll be taking a break from ATS too. There's only so much insanity a person can listen to before credibility in absolutely anything mentioned here is completely lost. I am reaching that watershed.

reply to post by zuul000


Yes,i believe he does fight the NWO.The question that you should ask should be why he fights them?For the sake of his people or for him to remain in power.

If a world goverment is going to be established people like Gadaffi are going to be the first to lose everything.In oil rich countries they will definetely place more NWO friendly leaders.

Gadaffi madman or not knows or suspects that.

reply to post by detachedindividual






you should use the ATS search function as well

Obama asks Saudis to airlift weapons into Benghazi www.abovetopsecret.com...


Exclusive: Benghazi Explosion – Tactical Nuke Use By Gaddafi Suspected www.abovetopsecret.com...

Tactical BS more like it, it was the BS meter that actually exploded , later shown to be the bombing of a local arms depot/cache

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler The headline ought to read Tactical Nuke Use By Gaddafi Suspected by Donald Duck. The article seems to be making a case for that any explosion anywhere that either hurts or offends the sensibilities of Americans is a tactical nuke! The article also suggests the Oklahoma Bombing was a tactical nuclear device! Seems like yet another sensationalized accusation of the kind that gave us WMD in Iraq. Just a lot of unsubstantiated gibberish designed to enflame and anger people and get people here thinking about paying for another war for oil. How many times are the American people going to get fooled by the same old song and dance, wrap it in a flag, and have God bless it, and presto whamo American bombs start snuffing out 'collateral damage' everywhere.

Benghazi's importance to Liby and possibly the World:
also explains why qadaffi has come down really harsh on these "rebels"

While many countries in the Middle East and North Africa bicker over water rights, Libya has tapped into an aquifer of 'fossil water' to change its topography – turning sand into soil. The 26-year, $20 billion project is nearly finished. …The Great Man-Made River, which is leader Muammar Qaddafi's ambitious answer to the country’s water problems, irrigates Libya’s large desert farms. The 2,333-mile network of pipes ferry water from four major underground aquifers in southern Libya to the northern population centers. Wells punctuate the water’s path, allowing farmers to utilize the water network in their fields. ... “Water is more precious for us than oil. ... Water here in Libya, it’s life.”

Under the giant scheme, water is pumped from aquifers under the Sahara in the southern part of the country, where underground water resources extend into Egypt and Sudan. Then the water is transported by reinforced concrete pipeline to northern destinations. Construction on the first phase started in 1984, and cost about $5 billion. The completed project may total $25 billion. South Korean construction experts built the huge pipes in Libya by some of the most modern techniques. The engineering feat involves collecting water from 270 wells in east central Libya, and transporting it through about 2,000 kilometers of pipeline to Benghazi and Sirte. The new ``river'' brings 2 million cubic meters of water a day. At completion, the system will involve 4,000 kilometers of pipepines, and two aqueducts of some 1,000 kilometers. Joining in celebrating the inauguration of the artificial river were dozens of Arab and African heads of state and hundreds of other foreign diplomats and delegations. Among them were Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, King Hassan of Morocco, the head of Sudan, Gen. Omar El Beshir, and Djibouti's President Hassan Julied. Col. Muammar Qaddafi told the celebrants: ``After this achievement, American threats against Libya will double.... The United States will make excuses, [but] the real reason is to stop this achievement, to keep the people of Libya oppressed.'' Qaddafi presented the project to the cheering crowd as a gift to the Third World. Mubarak spoke at the ceremony and stressed the regional importance of the project. Qaddafi has called on Egyptian farmers to come and work in Libya, where there are only 4 million inhabitants. Egypt's population of 55 million is crowded in narrow bands along the Nile River and delta region. Over the last 20 years, the water improvement projects envisioned for Egypt, which could provide more water and more hectares of agricultural and residential land, have been repeatedly sabotaged by the International Monetary Fund and World Bank, and the Anglo-American financial interests behind them.

The World Bank and the U.S. State Department are backing a ``Middle East Water Summit'' in Turkey this November, which is intended to promote only politically favored projects such as desalination plants in Saudi Arabia, and water shortages elsewhere. London and Washington circles were apoplectic about the opening of the new Libyan water project. The London Financial Times ran criticisms of the project from Angus Henley of the London-based Middle East Economic Digest. The pipeline, he said, was ``Qaddafi's pet project. He wants to be seen as something other than the scourge of the West.'' The Financial Times called the project Qaddafi's ``pipedream,'' stating that critics may be awed by the engineering involved, ``But they regard the dream as a monument to vanity that makes little economic sense in a country where the U.N. Development Program says 94.6% of territory is desert wasteland.''

after all why would Qaddafi want to damage or destroy a 26-year, $20+ billion project that he considers his life's work?
Virtually unknown in the West: Libya's water resources. The real reason for toppling Quadaffi? www.abovetopsecret.com...


i suppose some people will do anything to lower their petrol bill as the UK calls dibs:

Libya: British plans to strip Gaddafi of oil revenue www.abovetopsecret.com...

meanwhile no mention of all that water about 50,000 yrs worth if Libya keeps it to itself or the agricultural self suffiency of the region.

OP your video is marked as private please fix.

reply to post by zuul000


Yeah we will pay him a visit soon enough

Gadaffi has been slaughtering his own people and making incoherent UN speeches. If he is fighting the NWO, then maybe I like the NWO.

Originally posted by foood4thought
Gadaffi has been slaughtering his own people and making incoherent UN speeches. If he is fighting the NWO, then maybe I like the NWO.

if killing MOSSAD/CIA financed rebels can be termed as ' slaughtering his own people' then you are right but may i say that maybe you have been taken in by the zionists propaganda and would be wise to force yourself to watch Russia Today for a few weeks and you could always see it as learing about you're enermy if you don't get the real picture of whats realy is happen on the ground.

He is a mad dictator and having said that all dictators in the region must go so "popular democracies" (and elections) can be manipulated to put in governments favorable to the world's ruling elite as individual dictators will not concede sovereignty to a new world order