Has Gadaffi been fighting the New World Order?

Originally posted by zuul000

Originally posted by zuul000

Originally posted by Skyfloating
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No, but I can reference this, which is based on what Iranian twitterers and facebookers say.

Wikipedia Entry on Iranian Elections 2009 Written by Anonymous People with Dubious Qualifications

I, actually, happen to know the elections tabulation method in Iran. Having done some overseas work in elections monitoring, voting logistics is a bit of an interest area of mine.

Since you're presenting affirmative statements that Iran's elections were rigged, would you at least like to know how Iran's elections work? The logistics of balloting? If you're going to say they were rigged shouldn't you at least be able to explain the method by which the rigging occurred?

edit on 8-3-2011 by zuul000 because: (no reason given)

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I'll assume you don't care to know, then.

"embrace ignorance"

Wow can someone just ban this troll? Gadaffi is a nice guy, Iran is full of freedom? 0/10.

Originally posted by sirjunlegun
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Okay i missed it. What was the3rd way in the book? Also I commented on Qhadaffi a few days ago. A couple of weeks ago he was this wee little dictator who lives in a tent. suddenly he is now thrust into this OMG what is he gonna do next and we don't know how to handle it. This man has the world suddenly. I mean all the MSM about him states he and his are morons but has he ever choked on a pretzel? This video was interesting. What was the 3rd way. I am gonna read about this Italian Baron too. Thanks.

I fail to see your point - Are you implying that choking makes you a moron or that only those that choke on a pretzel are morons? If its the later, does it have to be a certain brand of pretzel? Does it matter if the pretzel is inserted in the mouth with your left hand or right hand? What if the pretzel is sodium free, does that factor into the moron test?

As I stated I've missed your point so please specify for me - I might be a moron and not even know it!

Originally posted by Nventual

Originally posted by zuul000

Originally posted by zuul000

Originally posted by Skyfloating
reply to post by zuul000

 

No, but I can reference this, which is based on what Iranian twitterers and facebookers say.

Wikipedia Entry on Iranian Elections 2009 Written by Anonymous People with Dubious Qualifications

I, actually, happen to know the elections tabulation method in Iran. Having done some overseas work in elections monitoring, voting logistics is a bit of an interest area of mine.

Since you're presenting affirmative statements that Iran's elections were rigged, would you at least like to know how Iran's elections work? The logistics of balloting? If you're going to say they were rigged shouldn't you at least be able to explain the method by which the rigging occurred?

edit on 8-3-2011 by zuul000 because: (no reason given)

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I'll assume you don't care to know, then.

"embrace ignorance"

Wow can someone just ban this troll? Gadaffi is a nice guy, Iran is full of freedom? 0/10.

Ban him? Seems to me like he defended himself very well against the forum moderator essentially shutting him up. But to his credit he (forum moderator) knew when he had been beaten and bowed out gracefully.

Please don't make Gadaffi a martyr or a hero,

Yet I guess a you can be against the NWO and still be a monster,
www.guardian.co.uk...

I would believe that the elite have had plans for control of Libya's oil prodction for some time, but as for Qaddafi fighting them, i disagree to some extent. Qaddafi is clearly an incompetent leader who has lost the legitamacy to lead. It is sad though, that at the end of the day, a popular revolution will most likely bring more damage to Libya, it's economy and the people's living standards unless the rebels are able to supress external influence.

Yea he's a saint alright.

en.wikipedia.org...

ATS has gone so far downhill these last two years that i probably won't visit again after this post.

Yes Gadaffi is fighting the NWO.

This is the same as Cuba, Venezuela, Iran. Its the exact same blueprint over and over. The people who can't see the truth through the obvious script are hopelessly lost at this point.

And yes I know these people have committed atrocities but are the any worse than Bush, Blair, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Obama.

How many Hundreds of thousands of Iraqi's did these people kill?
How much war profiteering, torture have they authorized?

Wait...

How about the over 3 million in prison (70% BS) crimes?

They're all bad men making countless deals with the devil and leaving others accountable for them..

Originally posted by ISHAMAGI
Yes Gadaffi is fighting the NWO.

This is the same as Cuba, Venezuela, Iran. Its the exact same blueprint over and over. The people who can't see the truth through the obvious script are hopelessly lost at this point.

And yes I know these people have committed atrocities but are the any worse than Bush, Blair, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Obama.

How many Hundreds of thousands of Iraqi's did these people kill?
How much war profiteering, torture have they authorized?

Wait...

How about the over 3 million in prison (70% BS) crimes?

They're all bad men making countless deals with the devil and leaving others accountable for them..

Libya is a case far different from Venezeula and Cuba. Qaddafi never had the people's well beign in his mindset. If he is fighting the NWO, he is fighting them as an elite. He cares not for his people, but rather for his own pocket. You can't compare one set of atrocities to another. You can not advocate violence and repression againt the people of the world, no matter what the cuase.

Originally posted by Nventual

Originally posted by zuul000

Originally posted by zuul000

Originally posted by Skyfloating
reply to post by zuul000

 

No, but I can reference this, which is based on what Iranian twitterers and facebookers say.

Wikipedia Entry on Iranian Elections 2009 Written by Anonymous People with Dubious Qualifications

I, actually, happen to know the elections tabulation method in Iran. Having done some overseas work in elections monitoring, voting logistics is a bit of an interest area of mine.

Since you're presenting affirmative statements that Iran's elections were rigged, would you at least like to know how Iran's elections work? The logistics of balloting? If you're going to say they were rigged shouldn't you at least be able to explain the method by which the rigging occurred?

edit on 8-3-2011 by zuul000 because: (no reason given)

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I'll assume you don't care to know, then.

"embrace ignorance"

Wow can someone just ban this troll? Gadaffi is a nice guy, Iran is full of freedom? 0/10.

1. never said Qadaffi was a "nice guy"
2. never said Iran was "full of freedom" *

Don't confuse qualitative statements with factual statements. The fact that there is no objective proof the Iranian election of 2009 was "rigged" is not a statement as to the quality of the Iranian government. Unfortunately, our minds have become so tragically warped by the MSM that we are wont to assume - as you just did - that "truth" is a synonym for "good." Recognizing it is not is the first step to unplugging yourself.

(* BTW - even if I had, you would want to "ban" me for not denouncing Iran's lack of freedom? I hope I'm not the only one who chuckled lightly at the irony.)

Originally posted by ISHAMAGI
Yes Gadaffi is fighting the NWO.

This is the same as Cuba, Venezuela, Iran. Its the exact same blueprint over and over. The people who can't see the truth through the obvious script are hopelessly lost at this point.

And yes I know these people have committed atrocities but are the any worse than Bush, Blair, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Obama.

How many Hundreds of thousands of Iraqi's did these people kill?
How much war profiteering, torture have they authorized?

Wait...

How about the over 3 million in prison (70% BS) crimes?

They're all bad men making countless deals with the devil and leaving others accountable for them..

I have no doubt Qadaffi has blood on his hands. Not as much as Hussein or Hitler, but more than me, I'm sure.

That said, I'm at a point in time now where I don't make any judgment of anything unless I witnessed it myself. The evidence of a programmed communications agenda - especially in light of the barely covered news of the HBGary social media manipulation program that broke last week - is so great that it's difficult to catalog any objective source.

If we are to accept that, since 1946, a war has been waged across the planet but out of our sight, and that one side in that war - the so-called "NWO" - is ruthless in the extreme. And, if we are to accept that - beyond talk radio shows in Austin and message boards and Ron Paul rallies - an opposition has been fighting against it - we need to come to grips with the sad reality that ruthlessness can only be defeated ruthlessly and the side we sometimes dream might one-day win is - outside of our hopes - unlikely to be a battalion of virginal schoolboys of immaculate character.

Originally posted by sirjunlegun
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Okay i missed it. What was the3rd way in the book? Also I commented on Qhadaffi a few days ago. A couple of weeks ago he was this wee little dictator who lives in a tent. suddenly he is now thrust into this OMG what is he gonna do next and we don't know how to handle it. This man has the world suddenly. I mean all the MSM about him states he and his are morons but has he ever choked on a pretzel? This video was interesting. What was the 3rd way. I am gonna read about this Italian Baron too. Thanks.

The video made a bit more sense to me as I happened to read two of Evola's books last year and, religiously speaking, was raised by parents one of whom was a Theosophist (though, IIRC, Evola hated Theosophy as being too utopian).

The third way - sometimes also called the "third position" (probably inaccurately, it's really a second position since capitalism-communism are just two extremes of the overarching materialist worldview) - is really too complex to describe on a message board and, honestly, probably too complex to describe at all. It really can only be discovered, and not taught.

I'd suggest reading anything by Rene Guenon (esp. "The Crisis of the Modern World") to start. If you understand that the next thing you should read will reveal itself to you and there's no need for a bibliography. I would recommend against reading anything by Evola until you've come to the point where you feel you can, emotionally, accept the idea that night is day, up is down and black is white. The third way is not pleasant so you shouldn't expect something that is ... the Forces of Control have created a wonderful, comfortable, luxurious prison for us so that we will voluntarily choose to live in it. It's less expensive than building a fence.

The parallels i was trying to make between Hitlers speaches and Gadaffi's was that towards the end Hitler seemed out of touch with reality much like Gadaffi today. Neither Gadaffi or Hitler seemed to see the writing on the wall and both ordered there troops to fight to the last man. Thats nothing but wastefull slaughter in my opinion.

Gadaffi has lost all international support, i dont think it matters how long he holds onto Tripoli his days are numbered. If he would just leave he can save 100's of lives, the same with Hitler he new he couldnt win after the Battle of the Bulge and in his case his madness in refusing to just give up cost 10's of thousands of lives. When the war is clearly lost ordering your people to fight to the last man in my opinion is nothing more than slaughter for no damn good reason.

fight nwo? he'd lose. but seriously, why are there like 10 different spellings of his name?

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Hes an international man of mystery thats why

Originally posted by lokdog
The parallels i was trying to make between Hitlers speaches and Gadaffi's was that towards the end Hitler seemed out of touch with reality much like Gadaffi today. Neither Gadaffi or Hitler seemed to see the writing on the wall and both ordered there troops to fight to the last man. Thats nothing but wastefull slaughter in my opinion.

Gadaffi has lost all international support, i dont think it matters how long he holds onto Tripoli his days are numbered. If he would just leave he can save 100's of lives, the same with Hitler he new he couldnt win after the Battle of the Bulge and in his case his madness in refusing to just give up cost 10's of thousands of lives. When the war is clearly lost ordering your people to fight to the last man in my opinion is nothing more than slaughter for no damn good reason.

I don't consider the defenders of the Alamo to be a rabble of rubes and morons. They never had any hope of winning and they knew it.

We can fight them now when we have little chance of winning, or fight them later when we have no chance at all.

I like this video of Qadaffi. He's speaking to a crowd in Guinea on one of his international speaking tours. Most people in Guinea haven't been educated past the 8th grade. Using simple terms and a simple example he explains, in two minutes, the problem of consumer society, international conglomerates and resource exploitation.

I am perplexed why the translator is taking such extreme liberties with the translation, though. I don't speak Arabic but, assuming the sub-titles are the literal translation, the French version that is being spoken is way different. I notice at one point Qadaffi even stops and corrects the French translation.

Hitler fought the NWO too.... he killed all them zionists!!!!

Originally posted by RustyShakleford92
Hitler fought the NWO too.... he killed all them zionists!!!!

I won the thread! Yay!

Goodwin's Law

Originally posted by zuul000

Originally posted by RustyShakleford92
Hitler fought the NWO too.... he killed all them zionists!!!!

I won the thread! Yay!

Goodwin's Law

Excellent battle, zu. I agree that there is enough haze in the information we receive in the states to determine exactly what is going on in Libya. And that it is wise to withhold judgment until data are conclusive.

Thank you for the thought-provoking post and arguments.