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Originally posted by no1smootha
Originally posted by Lucifer777
Similarly with Lodges like the O.T.O., which was started by the Freemason Theodor Reuss and whose rituals were later modified by Aleister Crowley. Just as Freemasons claim to represent an ancient legacy, that of the medieval Knight's Templars, so too did Reuss's O.T.O., claim to represent the revival of a more ancient legacy, that of the 18th century Bavarian Illuminati, and I think that this may in part be where the modern "Illuminati" conspiracy theory derives from; however just like many of the new modern Masonic cults and esoteric societies formed in last century or so, the the O.T.O. had relatively recent origins.
Most contemporary Freemasons don't to make claims of an ancient lineage from the Knights Templar.
It was certainly in vogue in the past to make such fantastic claims, to the Templars, to Noah, to the builders of the pyramids and ziggurats. or even to Adam. However, most modern Freemasons acknowledge these are mythological and allegorical origin stories not grounded in fact.
Originally posted by Lucifer777Crowley, for example, referred to American Scottish Rite Masons as "so many pieces of rather nasty dirt," and wrote that " even our eighth degree wipes its arse with the thirty third. As you and I need toilet paper, they can give us or sell us their dirty sheep skin." This kind of rivalry between various esoteric cults, is rather like the rivalry between the various sects of the multi-billion dollar "Jesus" business, each claiming to have a better salvation product, or a more established "older" product; it is simply the lunatic ramblings of religious fanatics, though certainly I consider the O.T.O., which is essentially an Aleister Crowley fan club to be among the more progressive of such societies.
Crowley was naively trying to get a seat on the Supreme Council of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite in the Northern Jurisdiction in the USA by suggesting the Memphis and Misraim degree system was superior to the AASR.
"My point about our 33rd is this, that we cannot admit that any one soever is higher in Masonry than ourselves ... My idea is to hele the breach with Memphis and Mizraim; these rites, though messy, keep going. Now I am Patriarch Grand Administrator General, and can be S.G.M.G. at the election, which, by the way is overdue. Now I propose that the Scottish Rite absorb M. and M., conferring all its degrees formally upon their 32nds. Our price for this is seats on the S.C. of the Scottish in America. Otherwise, we use our energy to run every rite, Scottish and the rest, on our own ... Remember, we don't admit that their rite is any good until it has our O.K. Theirs is a forged charter."
Originally posted by Lucifer777I am entirely aware that Freemasonry is a cult of bizarre conspiracy theorists who simply dress up in pantomime fancy dress costumes with silly uniforms and hats. As previously stated, the modern Freemasons were allegedly founded by a few drunks in a pub in the 18th century. Nevertheless there are a number of titles written by pseudo-historians and tin-foil hat conspiracy theorists who are Masonic authors themselves such as Michael Baigent, Richard Lomas and Stephen Knight who try to make the case that their cult has an ancient legacy. This is entirely common; many Christian cults, irrespective of whether they were formed centuries ago or a few days ago claim to represent the legacy of ancient religious fanatics, and Freemasonry is no different.
I am not sure how you can assess the views of "most" modern Freemasons in such a way, since the most widely published aformentioned Masonic authors who are in the professional conspiracy theory business seem to take a very different view
Originally posted by no1smootha
Originally posted by Lucifer777I am entirely aware that Freemasonry is a cult of bizarre conspiracy theorists who simply dress up in pantomime fancy dress costumes with silly uniforms and hats. As previously stated, the modern Freemasons were allegedly founded by a few drunks in a pub in the 18th century. Nevertheless there are a number of titles written by pseudo-historians and tin-foil hat conspiracy theorists who are Masonic authors themselves such as Michael Baigent, Richard Lomas and Stephen Knight who try to make the case that their cult has an ancient legacy. This is entirely common; many Christian cults, irrespective of whether they were formed centuries ago or a few days ago claim to represent the legacy of ancient religious fanatics, and Freemasonry is no different.
I am not sure how you can assess the views of "most" modern Freemasons in such a way, since the most widely published aformentioned Masonic authors who are in the professional conspiracy theory business seem to take a very different view
They may not be as popular or as widely read by the general public as Baigent, Knight or Lomas, but I am basing my assessment on the number of Masonic scholars often published by Scottish Rite Research Society in Heredom, and other similar Fraternal publications who think that Freemasonry is not of ancient origin not on the number of books sold in popular presses.
"There shall in that time be rumors of things going astray, erm, and there shall be a great confusion as to where things really are, and nobody will really know where lieth those little things with the sort of raffia-work base, that has an attachment. At that time, a friend shall lose his friend's hammer, and the young shall not know where lieth the things possessed by their fathers that their fathers put there only just the night before, about eight o'clock."edit on 9-5-2011 by no1smootha because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by no1smootha
Originally posted by Lucifer777I am entirely aware that Freemasonry is a cult of bizarre conspiracy theorists who simply dress up in pantomime fancy dress costumes with silly uniforms and hats. As previously stated, the modern Freemasons were allegedly founded by a few drunks in a pub in the 18th century. Nevertheless there are a number of titles written by pseudo-historians and tin-foil hat conspiracy theorists who are Masonic authors themselves such as Michael Baigent, Richard Lomas and Stephen Knight who try to make the case that their cult has an ancient legacy. This is entirely common; many Christian cults, irrespective of whether they were formed centuries ago or a few days ago claim to represent the legacy of ancient religious fanatics, and Freemasonry is no different.
I am not sure how you can assess the views of "most" modern Freemasons in such a way, since the most widely published aformentioned Masonic authors who are in the professional conspiracy theory business seem to take a very different view
They may not be as popular or as widely read by the general public as Baigent, Knight or Lomas, but I am basing my assessment on the number of Masonic scholars often published by Scottish Rite Research Society in Heredom, and other similar Fraternal publications who think that Freemasonry is not of ancient origin not on the number of books sold in popular presses.
"There shall in that time be rumors of things going astray, erm, and there shall be a great confusion as to where things really are, and nobody will really know where lieth those little things with the sort of raffia-work base, that has an attachment. At that time, a friend shall lose his friend's hammer, and the young shall not know where lieth the things possessed by their fathers that their fathers put there only just the night before, about eight o'clock."edit on 9-5-2011 by no1smootha because: (no reason given)
I have to advise you that in the Scottish Rite you get more degrees and more "bang for your buck." But, both are wonderful and neither should be avoided.
Originally posted by KSigMason
reply to post by Lucifer777
You are a vortex of academic compromise.
Originally posted by CIAGypsy
Originally posted by KSigMason
reply to post by Lucifer777
You are a vortex of academic compromise.
I love this statement!!!!
You are a vortex of academic compromise.
Originally posted by MonarchSlave
The Kaballah was given to us by the fallen angel Raziel, that goes to show you why the Zionist Illuminati love their Kaballistic magic so much.
Originally posted by mutante
reply to post by Lucifer777
just le me ask a question: if god is our creator, and we rebel against him, thing aren't going to be... er... sketchy?
Originally posted by pepsi78
It's true the kabalah came from the fallen ones, they left it. It's the snake in the garden story.
Originally posted by pepsi78
The very ones you hate so much(part of the Rom"AN" empire) are in fact Sat"AN" ists, masonry included.
A convenient statement that does not take into account people who do not believe in the fairy tale of Satan.
Originally posted by pepsi78
A convenient statement that does not take into account people who do not believe in the fairy tale of Satan.
You have your opinion, frankly I don't care what you beilive.
Sat-An.
Sat word meaning.
verb
Past tense and past participle of sit.
All part of the Rom-"AN" way, Sat-"AN" sits on the throne.
Let's get to siting on the earth and on the throne.
I can see why you are offended by your avatar.
Originally posted by pepsi78
reply to post by Lucifer777
Regarding about the kabalah and the fallen angels, aliens or call them whatever you wish it's accurate.
There are just too many stories that match, in the bible, the book of enoch, the Summerian culture and other similar interesting books that connect the same story.
The knowlege of the tree of life was broth by them.
The astrological archetype of Saturn
Sat-An.
Sat word meaning.
verb
Past tense and past participle of sit.
All part of the Rom-"AN" way, Sat-"AN" sits on the throne.
Let's get to siting on the earth and on the throne.
Originally posted by pepsi78
You have your opinion, frankly I don't care what you beilive.
Sat-An.
Sat word meaning
verb: Past tense and past participle of sit.
All part of the Rom-"AN" way, Sat-"AN" sits on the throne.
Let's get to siting on the earth and on the throne, commander and chief as they say in the roman empire.
I can see why you are offended by looking at your avatar.