2 Suns you say? I offer proof.

reply to post by Under Water


A professional of a field offering real evidence?? On ATS??! How dare you! This is a forum based on fear and paranoia - we don't like "evidence" 'round these parts.

You can't just go around using "evidence" to disprove things.

On a serious note, nice post and thanks for the pics. Was always wondering about taking pics of the sun but don't have the right filters for my 5dmk2 and don't fancy frying the sensor, or my eyes.

reply to post by noonebutme


Just don't point it at the sun for too long. I was a little worried about hurting my camera too. What i used as a filter was just a $5 item from lowe's. It was a welder's replacement cover for helmets. I wanted a #14 but all they had was a #10. the 14 would be much darker and allow you to get a better photo. But i think i was able to prove my point perfectly fine with the 10. You can just buy it and use it to see the sun with the naked eye too, but don't look for too long!

reply to post by pazcat


You say that is if I WROTE THE ARTICLE. You can call it what you choose, it is a reputable article and addresses the "Two Suns" phenomenon.

I would expect that someone who "Doesn't agree" with the article would surely say, "Its poor journalism" because it obviously contradicts what you have built in your mind as reality...its not my fault you have a very narrow scope of tangibility. Attack the article, attack the scientist, attack the principle...in the end, it still comes out to the same thing, "Scientists say two suns may be possible to be seen by 2012." END OF STORY.

I know that this article is like sunlight to a vampire, or Kryptonite to superman...or more to the point, "Logic to the fool," but, REAL scientists are already aware and are preparing for this phenomenon.

You'll either have to accept it and be the adults that society expects of you, or, you can do what you're doing now and bury your head in the sand while plugging your eyes and ears screaming, "la la la, I can't hear you, la la la."

Here it is again for those who would like a reputable source indicating the possibility of two suns in the future:
www.huffingtonpost.com...
www.news.com.au... 09247

I saw the "two sun" phenomenon with my own eyes. The article about the possibility of our sun having a twin was unknown to me at that time. I know what sun dogs look like, and I have seen the videos. The sun dogs are easy to identify, and this was not what I saw.
It was the last weekend in February of this year. I was removing the snow from our driveway, which means that in my case there was no double glass reflection, and it was in the middle of the afternoon, so no sunrise or sunset in this case. It was to the lower right side of the sun, which is the opposite of the footage seen on the news. I am in Ohio; the footage was taken in China. That may be a clue as to what the phenomenon is. It was cloudy, but as a break came in the clouds, the two suns could be seen. I am not saying it is something that is really there. Still, I did see it, so what could it be?
I have been looking for answers and here is what I have found so far.

First, a quote from an article where it says that some experts don't have a clue as to what could cause this.
Jim Kaler, from the University of Illinois, had this to say. "Several related atmospheric optical effects are fully explained by science. Sun dogs, sunset mirages, sun pillars and sun halos are all relatively common and well understood. But not this effect, it's very intriguing."
Source: www.msnbc.msn.com...

Second, Nostradamus mentioned this sign in one of his prophecies.
"For seven days the great star will burn,
The cloud shall make two suns to appear:
The big mastiff will howl all night
When the great pontiff changes country."

Third, people have reported having dreams of two suns in the sky for several years now.

Why, all of a sudden, is this illusion being produced in our atmosphere? We could be dismissing an important sign here. I'm not saying we are, but we could be.

reply to post by Qcuailon


Dude...it IS a crap article, written by a hack "journalist" who apparently (like many on ATS) has no knowledge of astronomy. (OR....the author wrote it provocatively in ORDER to generate this kind of sensationalism!!)

Let's talk semantics: When we say the word "sun", it is generally assumed to be referring to a star that has planets....but, from WITHIN the star system itself, when viewing that star (sn) form one of those planets. NOT form outside, from another star system!!!

Our Sun....(I always capitalize it, to make sure we know which "star" I mean)....our sun is called the "Sun"...it is a proper name, just as "Earth" is the proper name for our planet. We call soil "earth"....but, that is just a synonym for dirt. NOT a proper name. YOUR proper name is capitalized.....But, if your name were "Joe"....and I wanted to talk about "joe blow" in a general sense, not you specifically, then I wouldn't capitalize "joe".....

The Sun can also be called by a MORE proper name, just to avoid all of this confusion...."Sol". Hence, we live in the "Sol System", on the third planet, counting outward from the host star. THESE terms are going to be more and more important, in the future (someday, probably long after you and I are dead, though) when mankind is colonizing other star systems. I call them "star systems" in general, this even includes ours. BUT, they each will have a unique name, in future, to identify them. Ours, as mentioned, will be "Sol".

NOW.....any star that is NOT in our star system of planets, such as Betelgeuse, (named in that article), is from our point of view, just a star. Yes, it has a name. IF you could travel there, and land on one of ITS planets (if any) then you could say that you are looking at that planet's "sun", and if you looked back towards home, you would see "Sol", but it would just be another star in the sky.

IF Betelgeuse has planets, then we might wish to call the entire system the "Betelgeuse System"...and so on, for every star that we travel to, someday, that also has planets.

SO...that article is NOT talking about "two suns" in the sky!! Not in the proper, technical sense. Writing that is poor, poor at best....terrible terms, misused and confusing. In any case, IF Betelgeuse has supernova-ed already (we cannot know, UNTIL the light from it reaches us...so (I forget how many LY away it is) IF it blew up RIGHT NOW, none of you (or I) reading this today will ever know. We will be long dead before the light gets here.

IF it blew up some hundred, two....whatever hundreds of years ago, then the light from THAT event is on its way, and will arrive....maybe during our lifetimes. We cannot know, until it gets here.

IF that happens, then what we will see is an EXTRA BRIGHT STAR in the sky...not a "sun"!!! By definition, it cannot be called a "sun", from here....from our point of view....since it is hundreds of light years away, and is NOT part of our star system.....

Originally posted by Qcuailon
reply to post by Under Water

 

All of this "Two Suns" talk finally got under your skin huh? Just simply cannot handle the idea, or the possibility that something may exist outside of your perception of the world.

Well, if the Two Suns, thingy isn't true, why are scientists preparing us for it?
www.huffingtonpost.com...

While i understand your reason to display this, a better link would have been supported. This link is about Betelgeuse going supernova, something that very well could happen AND has a thread on here somewhere.

Originally posted by RANDOMguess

Originally posted by Versa
Very nicely debunked here

Wait, how does that video debunk Nibiru

Where did anyone say it did? its debunking the two suns phenomenon.

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by Qcuailon

 

Dude...it IS a crap article, written by a hack "journalist" who apparently (like many on ATS) has no knowledge of astronomy. (OR....they author wrote it provocatively in ORDER to generate this kind of sensationalism!!)

Let's talk semantics: When we say the word "sun", it is generally assumed to be referring to a star that has planets....but, from WITHIN the star system itself, when viewing that star (sn) form one of those planets. NOT form outside, from another star system!!!

Our Sun....(I always capitalize it, to make sure we know which "star" I mean)....our sun is called the "Sun"...it is a proper name, just as "Earth" is the proper name for our planet. We call soil "earth"....but, that is just a synonym for dirt. NOT a proper name. YOUR proper name is capitalized.....But, if your name were "Joe"....and I wanted to talk about "joe blow" in a general sense, not you specifically, then I wouldn't capitalize "joe".....

The Sun can also be called by a MORE proper name, just to avoid all of this confusion...."Sol". Hence, we live in the "Sol System", on the third planet, counting outward from the host star. THESE terms are going to be more and more important, in the future (someday, probably long after you and I are dead, though) when mankind is colonizing other star systems. I call them "star systems" in general, this even includes ours. BUT, they each will have a unique name, in future, to identify them. Ours, as mentioned, will be "Sol".

NOW.....any star that is NOT in our star system of planets, such as Betelgeuse, (named in that article), is from our point of view, just a star. Yes, it has a name. IF you could travel there, and land on one of ITS planets (if any) then you could say that you are looking at that planet's "sun", and if you looked back towards home, you would see "Sol", but it would just be another star in the sky.

IF Betelgeuse has planets, then we might wish to call the entire system the "Betelgeuse System"...and so on, for every star that we travel to, someday, that also has planets.

SO...that article is NOT talking about "two suns" in the sky!! Not in the proper, technical sense. Writing that is poor, poor at best....terrible terms, misused and confusing. In any case, IF Betelgeuse has supernova-ed already (we cannot know, UNTIL the light from it reaches us...so (I forget how many LY away it is) IF it blew up RIGHT NOW, none of you (or I) reading this today will ever know. We will be long dead before the light gets here.

IF it blew up some hundred, two....whatever hundreds of years ago, then the light from THAT event is on its way, and will arrive....maybe during our lifetimes. We cannot know, until it gets here.

IF that happens, then what we will see is an EXTRA BRIGHT STAR in the sky...not a "sun"!!! By definition, it cannot be called a "sun", from here....from our point of view....since it is hundreds of light years away, and is NOT part of our star system.....

edit on 7 March 2011 by weedwhacker because: (no reason given)

woah lol, no need for tangent rampages. Especially when you are wrong (as everyone in life is at some point) about us being dead from Betelgeuse going supernova. It poles are not aimed at us so Gamma radiation will not be effecting us on a large scale to kill us.

Just a friendly reminder.

reply to post by Qcuailon

You say that is if I WROTE THE ARTICLE. You can call it what you choose, it is a reputable article and addresses the "Two Suns" phenomenon.

You are the one using the article to support your claim that two suns are currently visible all over the world. It says nothing of the kind.

I would expect that someone who "Doesn't agree" with the article would surely say, "Its poor journalism" because it obviously contradicts what you have built in your mind as reality...its not my fault you have a very narrow scope of tangibility. Attack the article, attack the scientist, attack the principle...in the end, it still comes out to the same thing, "Scientists say two suns may be possible to be seen by 2012." END OF STORY.

No-one is disagreeing with the article or the scientist, we are disagreeing with your misuse of the article. It is clearly describing the possibility of a nearby super-nova, not necessarily by 2012. It is not our fault you are willfully distorting what the article says for your own ends.

I know that this article is like sunlight to a vampire, or Kryptonite to superman...or more to the point, "Logic to the fool," but, REAL scientists are already aware and are preparing for this phenomenon.

Which phenomenon? The supernova? Astronomers observe supernovae all the time. The Sun suddenly acquiring a twin? No, they are not because it is impossible. Incidentally, what makes you think the people you're insulting and arguing with aren't "REAL scientists?" Oh, by the way: vampires, Superman and Kryptonite are all make believe, like Nibiryu.

You'll either have to accept it and be the adults that society expects of you, or, you can do what you're doing now and bury your head in the sand while plugging your eyes and ears screaming, "la la la, I can't hear you, la la la."

I assure you the feeling is mutual.

reply to post by derst1988



I think WeedWhacker was referring to if Betelgeuse went supernova today we all, us living folks on ATS at his moment, would be long gone before its explosive light reached Earth. Not that its light, gamma rays and other matter would affect life on Earth. That was my take on his post.

Edit to add: Us dead folks on ATS at the moment would be long gone too.

reply to post by Qcuailon


You seem to take it quite personally, maybe you did write the lazy article. I couldn't care less either way.
You are the one parading about using terms like ''my link", therefore I used the term "your article".

You clearly don't understand what that article says in the first place, if you read beyond the misleading title you would realise it has nothing to do with two suns. It even says in the article just that, are you really that thick?
One sun + supernova does not = two suns. It doesn't even mention the possibillity of it
If your going to try and play the game you should at least have a basic understanding of what it is you keep harping on about.
Sucks to be you man.

Originally posted by Jason88
reply to post by derst1988

 

I think WeedWhacker was referring to if Betelgeuse went supernova today we all, us living folks on ATS at his moment, would be long gone before its explosive light reached Earth. Not that its light, gamma rays and other matter would affect life on Earth. That's was my take on his post.

edit on 7-3-2011 by Jason88 because: (no reason given)

You are absolutely correct, I apologize for my misreading.

I don't know Op if you close one eye just so and hold your breath for a few minutes you really can see two suns in your photograph.

If there was 2 suns wouldn't it of been found well long ago by now.

Originally posted by Versa

Originally posted by RANDOMguess

Originally posted by Versa
Very nicely debunked here

Wait, how does that video debunk Nibiru

Where did anyone say it did? its debunking the two suns phenomenon.

Errm the title of the video NOT NIBIRU PROOF

My Only 2 cents Will Be This, If Carl Sagan Did Not Find It, It Don't Exist. I'm Sry But I'm 34 Years Of Age And To My Knowledge There Has Never Been "2" Suns. Now Don't Get Me Wrong "IF" Which Is A BBBBIIIIGGGG "IF", If There Was A Second Sun We Would Of Seen It By Now....Not To Be Mean Or Anything But To Post Something Like This Is A Waist Of Time. And What's Worse Is The Time And Energy Used To Entertain This Could Of Gone For Something More Important....

reply to post by stevej109


Did you even read the OP? Its offering evidence against two suns. If the thread is a waist of time why did you waist time posting to it? Perhaps a greater waist of time is posting to a thread without knowing what it is about first.

Sorry for making all the noise, you can go back to sleep now. We'll keep it down.

reply to post by Versa

Ok.... And What Was This Video Supposed To Proved Again?

Originally posted by RANDOMguess

Originally posted by Versa

Originally posted by RANDOMguess

Originally posted by Versa
Very nicely debunked here

Wait, how does that video debunk Nibiru

Where did anyone say it did? its debunking the two suns phenomenon.

Errm the title of the video NOT NIBIRU PROOF

*sigh*.... it debunks the two suns that people are posting. It clearly says that the two suns people are seeing is not Nibiru not that Nibiru is fake just the twin sun images.

reply to post by dainoyfb


I Know I Was Only Helping, Sry If It Came Off diff. I Guess I Got Caught Up With The Debunking Of Two Suns And Some How Went Astray?