Stratospheric Aerosol Geo-engineering aka "Chemtrails" DEBUNK THIS !!!!

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
reply to post by MathiasAndrew

 

If you think that's what it is you either didn't actually read it or it was beyond your comprehension.

both of these are hallmarks of your concept of evidence.

Here's the relevant bit again - it's not that complicated:

The above results show that sulfur compounds can be effectively removed from a fuel such as jet fuel. Based on these results it is expected that nitrogen compounds and metal containing compounds can similarly be oxidized and the nitrogen and metals extracted.

To paraphrase - the system removes unwanted contaminants - they took excess sulphur out of JP8, and they expect to do the same to other fuels, and also to remove excess nitrogen and metallic compounds.

I don't expect acknowledgement from you that you are wrong tho - I am a realist!

edit on 15-3-2011 by Aloysius the Gaul because: add the conclusions text

Just because the sulfur is removed or reduced doesn't make the fuel better or safer. They are burning up toxic waste instead of sulfur. Look again and use what's left of your brain this time. I know you were taught to follow orders and to take every word by the book as verbatim but come on man. Were you brainwashed as a young child or did they start you on MKUltra when you hit puberty ?

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
reply to post by MathiasAndrew

 

Battalle do not make jet fuel - Mobil, Exxon, Shell, BP - they all make jet fuel.

You're right Battalle doesn't make jet fuel the companies name is Battelle
Here it is again since you must have missed it the first time.

searche.battelle.org...

Engineers at Battelle integrated and installed a fuel reformation and hydrogen purification system in a prototype fuel cell auxiliary power unit and operated the unit on sulfur-free synthetic jet fuel. Battelle Powers the Military with a Cleaner and More Efficiently Used Fuel What is a Fuel Cell?

And if you believe the propaganda that it's cleaner for the environment then I also have a bridge I want to sell you over the East River of Manhatten. It's actually only cleaner to the jet engine.

reply to post by MathiasAndrew


You going to explain what a fuel cell is and does next?

Not a clue, huh?

More photo evidence of chemtrail planes and chemtrails

reply to post by Phage


The explanation is in the links I posted.

Here's a link just for you
www.battelle.org...

reply to post by MathiasAndrew

I suppose it would be asking too much for you to point out the relevancy of fuel cell technology to "chemtrails" and geoengineering.

Of course, fuel cells should cut down on carbon emissions so that would reduce the need for geoengineering. Wouldn't it?

reply to post by Phage


The relevancy is that Battelle makes fuel cells for military vehicles and those fuel cells run on special fuel. Battelle is in a position to monitor itself when it comes to the emissions those vehicles put out. The fuel they use has industrial toxic waste blended into it from pesticides and hazardous materials. As I said before there are many types of "chemtrails". This is just one more example of uncommon and unsafe practices that cause what can be called a "chemtrail".

Like how they suedo correct themselves when they say "Battelle manages or co-manages for the U.S. Department of Energy ".


www.battelle.org...

Battelle is the world's largest independent research and development organization, with 20,000 employees in more than 120 locations worldwide, including five national laboratories Battelle manages or co-manages for the U.S. Department of Energy. Headquartered in Columbus, Ohio, Battelle conducts $3.7 billion in R&D annually through contract research, laboratory management, and technology commercialization. Battelle provides innovative solutions to some of the world's most important problems including global climate change, sustainable energy technologies, high performance materials, next generation healthcare diagnostics and therapeutics, and advanced security solutions for people, infrastructure, and the nation. Battelle has a long history of developing successful commercial products in collaboration with its clients, ranging from products to fight diabetes, cancer and heart disease to the development of the office copier machine (Xerox). As a non-profit charitable trust with an eye toward the future, Battelle actively supports and promotes science and math education.

I don't know about you but I don't really like the same company who disposes of toxic waste by blending it with fuel to also be in charge of testing air quality. I also don't want them in charge of the healthcare development once their smog starts making everybody sick. It doesn't appear to be very proper to me.

Originally posted by MathiasAndrew
More photo evidence of chemtrail planes and chemtrails

Oh not this crap AGAIN!

What did we just tell you about test aircraft with the water barrels for weight shift testing? Did you happen to forget all over again that you got hoaxed by chemtrail promoters? Or do you still insist that this plane that flies half the speed of jet airliners, and at lower altitudes, and that carries much much less, somehow crosses all over the US making trails everywhere all day.

What issue do you have with airliners needing to dump fuel in emergencies?

Are you opposed to the Navy having aircraft to communicate with submarines?

How will cloud seeding aircraft with ejectable flares inside of a storm, going to make a large trail across the sky?

Do you think the Arab airlines are involved in your chemtrail conspiracy?

Is the plane used by the President of the US, also a secret chemplane?

Originally posted by MathiasAndrew
More photo evidence of chemtrail planes and chemtrails

You spelled "no" wrong - it is N-O....not m-o-r-e.

Let's see - light a/c used for cloud seeding and some cloud seeding dispensers - check (are yuo back to suggesting that cloud seeding is chemtrails now?? really?? You want to go there AGAIN????)
Fuel dumping - check
Air sampling turbo-prop - check
Rig used o test a/c for icing by spraying water on them in flight - check
Satcom pods on wing-tips - check
ELF long wavelength antenna dispenser for communicating with submerged subs - check

there's a couple you missed - smoke generators for examining wake turbulence, and refueling pod on a French air-air refueler....but other than that yep - all identified, tagged, bagged and identified years ago

You really must have had to work hard to find such an old discredited set of photos!!

Originally posted by firepilot

Originally posted by MathiasAndrew
More photo evidence of chemtrail planes and chemtrails

Oh not this crap AGAIN!

What did we just tell you about test aircraft with the water barrels for weight shift testing? Did you happen to forget all over again that you got hoaxed by chemtrail promoters? Or do you still insist that this plane that flies half the speed of jet airliners, and at lower altitudes, and that carries much much less, somehow crosses all over the US making trails everywhere all day.

What issue do you have with airliners needing to dump fuel in emergencies?

Are you opposed to the Navy having aircraft to communicate with submarines?

How will cloud seeding aircraft with ejectable flares inside of a storm, going to make a large trail across the sky?

Do you think the Arab airlines are involved in your chemtrail conspiracy?

Is the plane used by the President of the US, also a secret chemplane?

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I put it up there just for you. I thought you would enjoy it.

reply to post by MathiasAndrew


They moved it because you're dealing with politics. Every since ATS started hiring skeptics as their main choice for mods, this is the behavior you will encounter.

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul


Why does it matter to you? What's your agenda?

Oh, let me guess...its truth, justice, and the American way...right? These are the things that you stand for, and you simply cannot let what you view as misinformation being spewed on YOUR FORUM. RIGHT?

What if you're wrong? What if you're absolutely 100% DEAD WRONG? What if all that information you're parroting over and over has absolutely NO MERIT and was simply made up so that fools who think like you could sleep better? Gee, how easy would that be? All I would have to do is be a part of some government agency, and anything that I print will be swallowed whole by the naive. You could pretty much rule an entire world that way...couldn't ya? It makes me wonder...could that be happening NOW? NAH...trusting people like yourself could never be lied to, or...misinformed.
So obviously, that absolutely couldn't be possible...could it? Nope. You've got the goods on reality, and no one else, except for those who think the exact same as yourself, do...Is that what I'm getting here?

Your contrail is another man's chemtrail. Its pollution...period. End of story. If you think having lingering garbage in our atmosphere is good for us, then please, just raise your hand. Otherwise, you're a contributor to a very large problem. While you sit and play your silly game of denial, more of that crap is being spewed into our atmosphere. Do you want to argue about THAT TOO?

I'm not denying the existence of "chemtrails", I'm denying the claims that are made every time some nut goes out on his porch and starts snapping pictures of contrails, and then posts a paranoid video on youtube with cheesy theme music.

I've read about cloud seeding/weather modification LONG before I ever heard the silly word "chemtrail". That does NOT mean that every last trail in the sky is anything but a contrail. It also does not mean that contrails that are large in number, or follow a pattern (just like the takeoff/landing pattern at the airport that happens to be right next to the chemtrail nut's house), are all of a sudden some sinister conspiracy.

What I am saying, is that we don't really have any good way of knowing which trails may be cloud seeding, and which are just plain contrails.


The chemicals sprayed in cloud seeding may not leave a trail at all... or they may leave a lingering trail. The same can happen with plain old contrails. It all depends on conditions.

I've personally watched military fighter aircraft flying in formation on manuevers leave a criss-cross trail pattern, I've seen the same left from air traffic at the logistics airport near me.

I have NO way of proving what is coming out the rear end of those planes either way, and until I do, I don't have any plans on making claims about such. My only claim is that there is no claim to be made about ANY trail without scientific measurements of said trail, as it's happening or shortly thereafter.

reply to post by iandh


Um, that would make no sense...at all. You would get less chemtrails the closer you are to airports due to the very low altitudes that it takes to land.

Food for thought...

Originally posted by Qcuailon
reply to post by iandh

 

Um, that would make no sense...at all. You would get less chemtrails the closer you are to airports due to the very low altitudes that it takes to land.

Food for thought...

While I am obviously not a chemmie, you can still get a lot of contrails overhead certain busy airports if there is an enroute navigational aid at that airport, or if it is used for an enroute waypoint.

reply to post by firepilot


Possibly, but (most) of the contrail/chemtrail activity happens at about 30,000 feet or above due to atmospheric conditions which could possibly make them linger.

But, if we are talking about landing or take-off, which is what most airplanes do at airports, the conditions are not correct for it.

Originally posted by Qcuailon
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul

 

Your contrail is another man's chemtrail. Its pollution...period. End of story. If you think having lingering garbage in our atmosphere is good for us, then please, just raise your hand. Otherwise, you're a contributor to a very large problem. While you sit and play your silly game of denial, more of that crap is being spewed into our atmosphere. Do you want to argue about THAT TOO?

edit on 16-3-2011 by Qcuailon because: to add

I couldn't have said it better myself. Excellent points you make. Glad to see someone with some common sense around here for a change.

reply to post by Qcuailon

Yep.
Cars leave "chemtrails".
Buses leave "chemtrails".
Trucks leave "chemtrails".
Boats leave "chemtrails".
Factories leave "chemtrails".

Damned industrial revolution.

Originally posted by Qcuailon
reply to post by firepilot

 

Possibly, but (most) of the contrail/chemtrail activity happens at about 30,000 feet or above due to atmospheric conditions which could possibly make them linger.

But, if we are talking about landing or take-off, which is what most airplanes do at airports, the conditions are not correct for it.

Oh well of course, landing aircraft and those taking off will not be leaving trails.

More of a fallacy are the chemtrailers who insist because they do not live near any airport, that there should not be air traffic overhead at all