Open letter to the World by the Anons.

reply to post by purplemer


Please,when I said I built it,I mean I built it,as in engineered a great portion of it. I just cant get into specifics and I'm low level,they could literally just reach over and unplug one wire to shut it all down,all of it. If you think the US defenses are that weak you are so nieve you are delusional the net is the most controlled monitored network ever and they can shut it off in a new york heartbeat. All the greatest hackers in the world cant fix a cut cable.

reply to post by nickoli



referring to your tap about being able to close off parts of the internet.. you know once they burnt books to hide the truth. now they censor the net.. do you really want to be one of those peeps...

kx

Originally posted by nickoli
reply to post by purplemer

 

Please,when I said I built it,I mean I built it,as in engineered a great portion of it. I just cant get into specifics and I'm low level,they could literally just reach over and unplug one wire to shut it all down,all of it. If you think the US defenses are that weak you are so nieve you are delusional the net is the most controlled monitored network ever and they can shut it off in a new york heartbeat. All the greatest hackers in the world cant fix a cut cable.

I am sure if you are who you say you are that everything you ever posted on the web is being heavily monitored and if it was discovered that a major cable was in fact cut and you have posted saying that one will and one is guess what partner? You will be the first one who will see a black on black 2006 Ford Crown Victoria Interceptor or a black on black 2007 Chevrolet Tahoe XLT pull up in front of your house with 2 suits going to your door, knocking it in and taking you into custody so wanna try again?

Originally posted by nickoli

 

I dont give a crap how you dissent but when you move against our constitution at least I'm forward and brave enough to tell you,you'll be my immediate enemy,most cowards would just ambush you,I will not. I will actively hunt you down,I will control the coms,I will control the fuel,I will control the food and then after that I will control the night,good luck fools.

I can not help but to think, that with statements like these, you are campaigning to be the next dictator of Libya.

Are you?

reply to post by Skewed


Who were you replying to? If to the idiot then pay him no mind as it when an idiot is given an audience does the rhetoric spew so with that in mind don't be like him and work to be apart of the solution however small you can.

Originally posted by nickoli
reply to post by purplemer

 

Please,when I said I built it,I mean I built it,as in engineered a great portion of it. I just cant get into specifics and I'm low level,they could literally just reach over and unplug one wire to shut it all down,all of it. If you think the US defenses are that weak you are so nieve you are delusional the net is the most controlled monitored network ever and they can shut it off in a new york heartbeat. All the greatest hackers in the world cant fix a cut cable.

thank you for you reply. i know they can turn off the net but i dont think that is enough, you need to cut phones, mobiles and satalite too. the internet is international unless you cut all communication from a country you wont stop it.
there are otherways of getting computers to tap to each other i have seen it done with radiowaves. off grid. if your a net engineer them you probably know more about than me. anon are not trying to take down america or anything in my eyes it is peeps defending the internet and free speech. im sure u get some a holes you get some everywhere but there is nothing wrong with trying to make the world a bit better..

kx)

reply to post by nickoli


The Internet cannot be "turned off". The US does have the power to kill DNS, but this would only be a speed bump requiring people to use IP's instead of words in URL bars...



Source and legend for image.

Each hub has a "gatekeeper" who would need to be made to turn the hub off. Seeing that not all of them are in any country - this is a highly unlikely scenario.

~Heff

reply to post by TheImmaculateD1


Your out of your mind,how do you think Atlanta talks to Miami? Do they do it on one line or many? What feeds the cell towers and the satellitte uplinks? Yes I do have US security clearance so what? Lots of people do,I havent given specifics and anyway you clowns are talking revolution I'm not. I'm telling you just so you dont get hurt that the internet will be shut off so fast you wont know what the hell happened and they tptb wont give a crap about your rights. This aint Egypt we done Egypt thats why its went as far as it has,it wont go like that here,plus people like me who love our constitution wont let it. Speaking of Egypt anon,you had alot to do with that or at least the cia hid behind anon, can you show me how free they are? How much liberty exists in Egypt right now? Oh they're under martial law and have no liberty? Anon that is a fail,fail anon martial law is not liberty.

reply to post by Hefficide


Thanks Heff,
I've been wondering about whether or not it was possible to "shut it all down."
However, the article doesn't specifically talk about any scenario beyond "a pocket" going down.
I'm wondering about "shutting down pockets" I guess.
(Pardon my ignorance, I'm not familiar with techno.)
I'm a philosopher, so let me ask this way.

1.) Are you an expert on the subject?
2.) How accurate do you think your answers are?
3.) How likely is it that there is some system functionality you aren't aware of?
4.) Are you able to explain to a moron like me how it is that that the internet could be shut down?
5.) If it can't be shut, but for some reason, you still needed to, what would you do?

responses in private are always welcome.
thanks
Brian

ps. the reason I ask is, I'm wondering if anything could be done to help any particular pocket that was without internet, like for instance Libya, as was recently suggested by Avaaz. (This might be a separate question/scenario.) If it turns out that you can't we might have an Avaaz cash grab conspiracy to comment upon.

Originally posted by nickoli
reply to post by TheImmaculateD1

 

How much liberty exists in Egypt right now? Oh they're under martial law and have no liberty? Anon that is a fail,fail anon martial law is not liberty.

Are you that delusional, (I asked a question, I did not call you anything) to think that Egypt would have things back together the next day after Mubarak left? The Egyptians also wanted the military to take the role they are, especially considering the alternatives. They need time to work things out, find their path and once they work everything out, the military will step aside. I do not understand how people can think that something such as this can be fixed overnight, after 40 years of oppression. Sorry, it does not work that way.

Originally posted by nickoli
reply to post by TheImmaculateD1

 

Your out of your mind,how do you think Atlanta talks to Miami? Do they do it on one line or many? What feeds the cell towers and the satellitte uplinks? Yes I do have US security clearance so what? Lots of people do,I havent given specifics and anyway you clowns are talking revolution I'm not. I'm telling you just so you dont get hurt that the internet will be shut off so fast you wont know what the hell happened and they tptb wont give a crap about your rights. This aint Egypt we done Egypt thats why its went as far as it has,it wont go like that here,plus people like me who love our constitution wont let it. Speaking of Egypt anon,you had alot to do with that or at least the cia hid behind anon, can you show me how free they are? How much liberty exists in Egypt right now? Oh they're under martial law and have no liberty? Anon that is a fail,fail anon martial law is not liberty.

Your ideals represent oppresion, dictortial control and martial law yet you accuse Anonymous of being for all.

I currently hold a top security clearance (ATS A1, total) that goes above most as I have been on ths inside and knew of the Anonymous project in 2007 (public wasn't made aware of their existance until 08) and let me tell you they have the ability to usurp every single thing you can do as what you are planning and plotting is reminiscent of a cyber terrorism event and if you continue the Admins here may have to get involved because you are tettering on becoming a direct threat to this site as well.

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Silly Nicki - this thing will exist one way or the other. It did before the Arpa when popular, and it would do so still if it went away. Doing this interconnection thing THIS way lets the people who founded it have a nice advantage, and claws that other's don't have. You think the USA's agencies would give that up? Don't be dumb.

This thing could and did exist in other formats prior to "The Internet." And it could again.

Originally posted by Skewed
The Egyptians also wanted the military to take the role they are, especially considering the alternatives. They need time to work things out, find their path and once they work everything out, the military will step aside.

Did the Egyptian people really want the military to take over? I thought they wanted democracy?

I think the west wanted the military to take over in Egypt, to make sure that only leaders who would be friendly to western economic issues would be running for office.

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander

Originally posted by Skewed
The Egyptians also wanted the military to take the role they are, especially considering the alternatives. They need time to work things out, find their path and once they work everything out, the military will step aside.

Did the Egyptian people really want the military to take over? I thought they wanted democracy?

I think the west wanted the military to take over in Egypt, to make sure that only leaders who would be friendly to western economic issues would be running for office.

The military over there know fully that their control is only temporary as per the orders of the Constitution there and will willingly step aside when elections will be held.

You know what you people fail to do? Offer the solution thats what. No some silly little socialist we all own it crap aint gonna work either. Somebodys gotta get off their gameboy and fix the sewer system,every day dont suppose it'll be none of you dreamers will it? Nope you wouldnt know where to start and you never will,there is a big difference between the real world and rhoads philosphy. Guess you'll learn that when the # backs up and nobody wants to fix it. Oh thats right then you'll pull somebody out of prison who dont think like you and shoot them if they dont right.

reply to post by briantaylor

Originally posted by briantaylor

1.) Are you an expert on the subject?

Not by a long shot. But I do research the subject quite often, and have been doing so since about 1981 when I began taking computer programming classes.

2.) How accurate do you think your answers are?

As accurate as an informed laypersons answers could be. I am confident that if I am not spot on, I am at least in the ballpark.

3.) How likely is it that there is some system functionality you aren't aware of?

While there are countless ways to exploit the system, as it exists, the architecture of it is pretty basic - at least in the abstract. Gaining control of the hubs could kill the Internet, as we know it. But that doesn't mean it would kill cyberspace. Those of us old enough to remember BBS's know that all "they" can really control is how we access networks - the web is just one means to that end.

4.) Are you able to explain to a moron like me how it is that that the internet could be shut down?

Imagine it just as you would imagine real world travel. Currently you probably use a car to drive on roads. Think of the web as those roads. If all the roads were shut down tomorrow, you could still find your way to any destination you chose. It'd just be more difficult and require a different skill set to do so.

The reality or unreality of an Internet "kill switch" is a hotly contested concept in tech circles. Some believe that it can be done - others doubt it. If your ISP were to put up a screen of filters that effectively blocked you from the web this would, for all intents and purposes, kill your access. But anyone with a bit of knowledge could easily skirt the blocks and still access the system.

5.) If it can't be shut, but for some reason, you still needed to, what would you do?

I'm not sure I understand the question. If you are asking what I would do if I were TPTB and needed to restrict information... I would not even attempt to do so. What I would use is disinformation. Glutting the information pool with falsehoods is way more effective a measure than trying to prevent information exchange.

I hope this answers your questions Brian!

~Heff

Originally posted by nickoli
You know what you people fail to do? Offer the solution thats what. No some silly little socialist we all own it crap aint gonna work either. Somebodys gotta get off their gameboy and fix the sewer system,every day dont suppose it'll be none of you dreamers will it? Nope you wouldnt know where to start and you never will,there is a big difference between the real world and rhoads philosphy. Guess you'll learn that when the # backs up and nobody wants to fix it. Oh thats right then you'll pull somebody out of prison who dont think like you and shoot them if they dont right.

I am currently writing something now that I hope will be the Global Constitution as in the future trivial disputes over borders and ideaologies will constantly lead the world into chaos.

Everytime I add to it what I added mysteriously becomes the new law of the land nationally.

Originally posted by Aeons

This thing could and did exist in other formats prior to "The Internet." And it could again.

Like everyone reconfiguring their wireless routers to communicate with every other wireless router up and down their block? Then the whole neighborhood, then the county, the state, etc etc. This would bypass the backbone all together, then maybe anon could hook us up by getting us connected to outside of the US.

reply to post by Hefficide


Little need to shut anything down. A simple discrediting will prove enough.Kill all validity and you have the CB radio outside a friday night truck stop.

The day of "Anon" was over as soon as they begin to impress the malcontents and children. Killing the net isn't required.....it seems to have committed suicide.