Expando Planet Theory more likely than Nirubu/Planet X...and happening NOW?!!!!

reply to post by EluThingol


Gravity works today. We see that because of the motions of the planets.

As far as material from space adding to the Earth we can take a look at the Moon and see that in billions of years only a few centimeters of dust has covered the Moon. There really isn't much material coming in from space.

reply to post by poet1b

As far as birds descending from dinosaurs, didn't they connect modern chickens to T-rex through DNA?

Not possible. There isn't any existing dinosaur DNA that has been found although some fragment may have been detected. Detecting the chemicals of DNA is not the same as detecting DNA.

A large portion of the Earth could have been covered in water when Earth was much smaller.

You keep pretending that there is evidence that the world was once smaller. There is no such evidence.

The failure of the theory is that the world we see about us does not match a world that expanded. That is why there are no articles in peer reviewed journals. No real scientists are looking into this issue since the evidence is completely against it.

reply to post by gringoboy

Have you conclusively provided any irrefutable evidence the whole previous pages,there are plenty of previous posts by myself and others ,so you need to be peer reviewed to be correct,thats when several people collectively agree ohh..

I see it is back to straw man arguments. The false claim is that scientists are studying this wild tale of an expanding Earth. My reply was to ask to see evidence int he form of peer reviewed journals.

I see that the failure to back up the claim that scientists are studying the expando doohicky thingy is to make up another story to cover for the failure of showing that any real scientists are studying this doohicky.

ncredibly shrinking earth,

What could possibly possess you to now claim a shrinking Earth? First it's the claim of an expanding Earth. Now it's a claim of a shrinking Earth.

if it does`nt expand then it must shrink

That makes no sense at all. Why are you making up another unsubstantiated story?

Off course the earth was completely covered in water,the snowball earth and oh.no that is not real either

The snowball Earth does not state that everything was covered in water - liquid or frozen.

Having such a precise yardstick allowed Russian dynamicists Gregoriy A. Krasinsky and Victor A. Brumberg to calculate, in 2004, that the sun and Earth are gradually moving apart. It's not much – just 15 cm per year – but since that's 100 times greater than the measurement error, something must really be pushing Earth outward. But what?

Haven't we been over this already in the thread. It's tidal interactions. The same effect moves the Earth away from the Sun.

650 000 000 years ago a iceage and the earth moves 15cms away from the sun per year thats 97,500km/60583 miles of the Asronomical unit of 93 million miles closer to the sun,not to mention the previous ones.

Please don't assume a linear extrapolation unless you know it to be so.

reply to post by Shadow Herder

Geologists have proven this. ( the sea level being much greater).

Oh for heaven's sake let us see some evidence for a change! Where is the evidence of this absurdity?

They dont find dinosaur bones in the ocean or on the coasts.

Really? You claim these are facts? No. They are not facts. You are wrong yet again.

Dinosaur fossils along the Eastern US coast[/html]
[url=http://www.isleofwightholidays4all.co.uk/dinosaur.html]Isle of Wight dinosaur fossils
Jurassic Dinosaur Fossils Found on China's Southern Coast

I could go on and on and on and on but anyone can see that here are 3 widely separated places with dino bones at the coast.

When the earth was small it froze over. Snowball earth. The crust cracked and the earth expanded. Some ice melted and fell into the massive cracks causing much steam the covered the globe. It rained. As the earth expanded there were shallow seas. As the ice melted even more so due to the positioning of the continents, the oceans filled up. This ice can still be seen on top of Antarctica.

That is just another fantasy tale. There have been several "snowball Earths" They were inferred from tropical deposits of tillites. The places where the glacial evidence was found are no longer tropical. The plates have moves the continents to new positions since the events happened.

You tall tale of a smaller Earth is a no go. It is a failure. No evidence for it.

When the water levels were high the continent of Antarctica slid under the million year old ice and as the earth expanded more the water level came down, resting the ancient ice on top of Antarctica. Just a thought.

Antarctica did not slide under water to be covered with ice. There are fossils of terrestrial animals under the ice. Your story does not reflect the evidence.

I am in contact with some geologists and we are going through some material and running some models that shows that west coast of North America was connected to Asia at the Pacific.

Not during Pangaea.

So who are these geologists? Are they rock hounds or real scientists that publish?

reply to post by Shadow Herder

Pangaea theory is bunk or false. The theory always shows America and Asia as separate continents which is not true at all. They are one continent and has always been. Pangaea shows that the continents drift apart and one day they will crash into each other again. Silly and unproven.

Just because you have no idea how these things work has no bearing on geological processes. The evidence for the positions of the plates and the continents driven by those plates is reveal by the geology and not someone faking images. Everything from seismic data to paleomagnetism to geological structures reveals the geology, ie history of the Earth.

Asia and North America are on separate plates and are separate continents. No amount of silly misdirection or mention of 1915 has anything to do with the manner in which the positions of the continents is determined. It has nothing to do with plate boundaries or plate interactions. it is just frantic hand waving because it is clear that the expando doohicky is a failed claim.

reply to post by Gregarious


You've got the electric universe idea a bit confused. It claims that EM forces are predominant or important in shaping the universe and solar system. No one denies gravity. It can be detected and measured with great precision.

reply to post by Shadow Herder

Some geologists that I have spoke to around the world are leaning towards expanding earth theory because it answers so many unanswered questions that is still a mystery with geologists.

Is anyone publishing anything at all on the expando doohicky.

You keep claiming people are studying this or supporting this as a real scientific theory. So far that has been a lot of hot water being released. Nothing has been posted to support the claim that anyone is doing this.

I see a lot of boasting and bragging with vague claims.

reply to post by Shadow Herder

500 million years is really 0.00000000000001 seconds in the universe or less.

A time period of 500 million years is 1/27.4 or around 3.5% of the age of the universe.

We are still left with no evidence at all that the world is expanding. The expando doohicky continues to be a tall tale with zero supporting evidence.

There have bee lots of claims that scientists are working on it. No peer reviewed papers.

One peer reviewed paper was posted. It did not support the expando doohicky. The paper was misrepresented.

We are still left with no evidence at all that the world is expanding. The expando doohicky continues to be a tall tale with zero supporting evidence.

There have bee lots of claims that scientists are working on it. No peer reviewed papers.

One peer reviewed paper was posted. It did not support the expando doohicky. The paper was misrepresented.

I like this map a lot. North America fits in nice to Asia. The continents were also connected at the Pacific.

Originally posted by stereologist
We are still left with no evidence at all that the world is expanding. The expando doohicky continues to be a tall tale with zero supporting evidence.

Is there any evidence supporting the not expanding earth theory?

There have bee lots of claims that scientists are working on it.

I think scientists are overvalued this days.

I have not been able to check the full thread, has someone already mention the problem in the relationship between heart pump capacity and tall animals?. I hear giraffes are on the limit of heart capacity. I have been unable to confirm this, but maybe this may be a point to validate this idea... isn't it?

The relationship between heart size and strength is similar in all vertebrates, so if in this days giraffes are in the limit, how the dinosaurs manage to solve the problem? maybe less gravity, maybe the earth was smaller... don't know.
Is there any body able to confirm this?

Here, an article about Giraffe's hearts

That state their hearts are spectacular, but not mention limits.

Ohh, I just found one very interesting article about dinosaurs: The problem with dinosaurs. That clearly state that dinosaurs had:

1. Inadequate bone strength to support the largest dinosaurs
2. Inadequate muscle strength to lift and move the largest dinosaurs
3. Unacceptable high blood pressure and stress on the heart of the tallest dinosaurs
4. Aerodynamics principles showing that the pterosaurs should not have flown

And Ohh look, this dinosaur paradox IS mainstream science:

The sauropod blood pressure paradox has been debated for several years and now it is showing up in physics textbooks. Increasingly, paleontologists are coming to the belief that the Brachiosaurus could not have held its head up, and likewise the other sauropods could not have reared up on their hind legs to reach the higher foliage.

Now, the Earth expando theory is able to explain this paradox. Nice, isn't it?

Clif is a remarkable soul and he has a lot to give to the common man and world at large, mostly misunderstood and hidden linguistics.

For my money and IMHO his expando earth story is a cover for planet x because speaking directly to such an idea is grounds for shutting his website down and his money as well.

If anyone recalls, his site was hacked months ago just before he let out his now historic November tipping points webbot run, which if i recall, pretty much predicted accurately tipping point dates, language changes, and speaks continually to an April release point where in much will change, including our routine language speak common to us all.

Unfortunately for all who hinge on his every word and explanation, the expando theory is about as far out in left field as anyone can get...but if you study his statements as to what effects such a model would have on us inhabitants on earth, he is correct...volcanos going off, new madrid quake, tsunamis etc...

therefore, pay attention to the effects of his model and not the model itself, as speaking of expando planet is cover up story for planet x. of course, expando planet can not explain the weather or even come close to explaining orbits of planets ... as if the earth is expanding it would not remain in the orbit and astrophysics would dictate a change in orbits as well.

so any theory that attempts to explain earth changes and does not take into account all other planets as a whole system functioning together is prone to failure.

reply to post by stereologist


Ok, i see. However, can you explain to me when does planetary creation end?
When, and why? What stops cosmic dust, that has been the foundation of our planet, from getting here now?

reply to post by EdWard54


This is true thats why the earth is moving 15cm a year away from the sun,moving orbit gradually at the present.
Peace gringo

reply to post by Shadow Herder

I like this map a lot. North America fits in nice to Asia. The continents were also connected at the Pacific.

You can like the image all you but it is just a fantasy. That configuration never existed. Japan never looked like in the past.

Creating fantasy images does not support the expando doohicky. It simply shows the level to which adherents will stoop.

reply to post by oshdra

Now, the Earth expando theory is able to explain this paradox. Nice, isn't it? [/quote
Did you read Esker's material? He does not support an expando doohickey idea.

Here is what he suggests:

The result of my investigation of how dinosaurs could be so large led to the solution that the Earth must have had an extremely thick atmosphere. This result makes clear predictions in regards to the shape of dinosaurs, the global climate of the Mesozoic era, the explanation of the existence of massive carbonated rock deposits, oceanic volcanism and the evolution of the Earth, and a new understanding of the development of our solar system.

If you want to reference his material make sure that he follow through on his thought processes and donot misrepresent his position.

Stereologist, care to reply to my post too?

reply to post by EdWard54

Unfortunately for all who hinge on his every word and explanation, the expando theory is about as far out in left field as anyone can get...but if you study his statements as to what effects such a model would have on us inhabitants on earth, he is correct...volcanos going off, new madrid quake, tsunamis etc...

Other planets do not affect geological processes such as volcanoes or earthquakes. Even the Sun shows no correlation with these events.

reply to post by EluThingol

Ok, i see. However, can you explain to me when does planetary creation end?
When, and why? What stops cosmic dust, that has been the foundation of our planet, from getting here now?

Nothing is stopping more material from falling to the Earth. We see it all of the time in the form of meteor showers. The amount of material falling to the Earth is small relative to the size of the Earth. The Moon has no weather to move the material around. Wind, water, and ice move the material so that it is not easy to see what is new material and what has been here.