Expando Planet Theory more likely than Nirubu/Planet X...and happening NOW?!!!!

Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by Shadow Herder

 

Thanks for the rather meeningless post.

Right up your alley.

The big issues that are not resolved and nver will be resolved with claim of the expanding Earth are:
1. The earth is not expanding - no eidence at all for the claim

Is english your second language? On every page there is evidence to support a theory.

2. No means of adding the additional mass

Who said anything about mass? Are you even reading the information posted? I dont think so.

3. Not a single peer reviewed article has been put forth

Yes there is. Where have you been? Read read read kiddo!

The latter issue just shows that there are NO scientists studying this issue despite the repeated false claims that they are.

Congratulation. You have won the most ignorant statement today!

Here is Ganymede the largest moon in our solar system.
I will post the peer reviewed documents that are proving Ganymede has expanded.


As you can see that expanding earth can be applied to any planet . Its a working model and a great theory that will get more research and attention in the months to come.

Sources? Peer review?

The bright terrain formed as Ganymede underwent some extreme resurfacing event, probably as a result of the moon's increase in size". -- Prockter, L.M., Icing Ganymede, Nature, Volume 410, Pages 25-27, 2001

Collins et al. (1999) agree that the formation of the grooved terrain on Ganymede was likely the result of post-formation "global expansion".

Collins, G.C., Pappalardo, R.T., & Head, J.W., Surface Stresses Resulting From Internal Differentiation: Application to Ganymede Tectonics, Lunar and Planetary Science XXX, 1695, 1999

"Researchers now believe that Ganymede's more youthful-looking half could be due to a crust that stretched--as has happened in the past few million years on Europa--rather than any sort of icy volcanism, as many had assumed." -- Richard. A. Kerr, 2001

Kerr, R.A., Jupiter's Two-Faced Moon, Ganymede, Falling Into Line, Science, Volume 291, Number 5501, Pages 22-23, 2001

"Since planets and moons did not pop into existence at their current size, everyone agrees they must have expanded at some point in their history." -- Dennis McCarthy, biogeographer/geoscientist, 2005

"Ganymede's grooved terrain likely formed during an epoch of global expansion..." -- Michael T. Bland and Adam P. Showman, 2007

Bland, M.T., and Showman, A.P., The Formation of Ganymede's Grooved Terrain: Numerical Modeling of Extensional Necking Instabilities, Icarus, Volume 189, Issue 2, Pages 439-456, Aug 2007

Martin, P., et al., Why Does Plate Tectonics Occur Only On Earth?, Physics Education, 43, Pages 144-150, 2008

Adams, N., Ganymede Video, Youtube
"The most likely site for error is in the most fundamental of our beliefs." -- Samuel Warren Carey, geologist, 1988

reply to post by All Seeing Eye

Another "asinine hoax" is the concept of magnetic north, and true north. You take an arbitrary point on the planet, and call it true north??? Absolutely laughable!!

Is this a joke or do you really not know what true north is?

Virtually all of mankind's achievements or discoveries have been produced from mistakes or plain old dumb luck, not the scientific community!

Is this another joke or are you serious? Please provide an example.

Dare to explore and decide for yourselves! Don't let these self professed "experts" fool you, or, derail you. You might discover something, by accident!!!

Maybe you aren't kidding. Maybe you are poorly misinformed about how science works.

reply to post by Shadow Herder

On every page there is evidence to support a theory.

What? Like you fake images of a fantasy world that never existed? Or like that stupid web page by Clif which can't get any basic facts right? Or nitwit claims about accretion from space being significant?

There has been no evidence.

Who said anything about mass? Are you even reading the information posted? I dont think so.

The Earth can't expand without adding mass. Any halfwit can see that's a requirement.

es there is. Where have you been?

Not a single peer reviewed article has been mentioned here. You are telling a falsehood - AGAIN!

Congratulation. You have won the most ignorant statement today!

Once again you are a pernicious liar. But that's who you are.

No references have been made to peer reviewed articles about an expanding Earth. None. To claim otherwise is a baldfaced lie.

reply to post by Shadow Herder

Here is Ganymede the largest moon in our solar system.
I will post the peer reviewed documents that are proving Ganymede has expanded.

You can post the idiotic videos and the fantasy images, but peer reviewed journal articles - nothing has been posted.

reply to post by Shadow Herder


The idiotic video and these so-called quotes came from the following site:
www.christianforums.com...

You copied this from some hoax site about this bogus expansion claim. Where are the peer reviewed articles. Show us the articles and not a bunch of quotes, which are probably faked.

Is English a second language for you or do you not understand what a peer reviewed article is?

reply to post by stereologist


Well the quote from the Kerr article is at least accurate. I didn't check the others though. Of course without the full text one cannot determine context.

Science 291 (5501), 22-23: Abstract

reply to post by Shadow Herder

Bland, M.T., and Showman, A.P., The Formation of Ganymede's Grooved Terrain: Numerical Modeling of Extensional Necking Instabilities, Icarus, Volume 189, Issue 2, Pages 439-456, Aug 2007

Here is an article from a peer reviewed journal. I doubt you bothered to anything other than copy and paste this reference. It is available online.

I'll bet you didn't know it was available. Had you obtained a copy of the article and read the article you'd know that the claims of expansion are small and over.

The amount of expansion is very small. The Moon did this small change without acquiring additional mass. It did this probably 2 billion years ago!

reply to post by Xcalibur254


Xcalibur254 the quotes and other stuff is a cut and paste from a hoax site which is misrepresenting the information in the articles by cherry picking quotes.

You know that is the case. It is definitely the case with the Ganymede article. I can get access to the Kerr article and will see what is happening there.

I'll bet the Jovian moons all are being tidally heated and that is leading to phase changes in the ices leading to small scale volume increases which stretches the surface. These moons are not expanding as the hocus-pocus Expando claim suggests. These are limited expansions that involve processes completely unrelated to anything happening on Earth. Look at Io. Tidal heating is sufficient to create volcanic activity on that moon.

[url=http://www.thescienceforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=15128&view=previous]Science Forum Forum Index » Pseudoscience » The Irrefutable Expansion of Ganymede
Here is the text of the quotes taken verbatim from another forum without reference to that source.

This is copyright infringement.

From that site we get a glimpse at the contents of the article, which is a news item and not a peer reviewed article. It does state: " * News of the Week PLANETARY SCIENCE PLANETARY SCIENCE Jupiter's Two-Faced Moon, Ganymede, Falling Into Line"

But sometime since, perhaps about a billion years ago, Ganymede seems to have gotten a shot of heat that reignited its core magnetic dynamo and expanded its nascent ocean toward the surface, says Stevenson. This rejuvenation could have happened if Ganymede temporarily stepped into the orbital "dance of the satellites" that fueled the recent resurfacing of Europa, he adds.

As Ganymede drifted away from Jupiter, it may have passed through an orbital arrangement with other Galilean satellites that distorted its orbit into an ellipse. The resulting tidal flexing of its rock and ice--enhanced by even a thin ocean--would have temporarily heated its interior, expanded the ocean, and flexed a weakened crust. That flexing and the warmth of the ocean could have renewed and brightened the surface, or, as luck would have it, only half of it. Once beyond the resonance, Ganymede would have cooled again, stuck in its two-faced look.

No discussion of the hocus-pocus expando theory here.

Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by Shadow Herder

 

On every page there is evidence to support a theory.

like that stupid we Or nitwit claims .........

Are you really that dense that you cannot comprehend what a theory is? Are you proud that you are ruining a discussion in which nobody cares about your viewpoint because you have none?

There has been no evidence.

Sometimes you just are going to have to accept that there are things that you will never understand because you cant. Learn to act like an intellectual and maybe people will start to listen to you rather than ignore.

The Earth can't expand without adding mass. Any halfwit can see that's a requirement.

That is a rational of a child.... if its bigger it must be heavier. . Instead of being ingorant over the information presented you should actually read it. The future has no place for people who cannot think for themselves

Not a single peer reviewed article has been mentioned here.

So we are not allowed to have a discussion about a topic? What are you doing in the planet x forum anyways. You are troll.

Once again you are a pernicious liar. But that's who you are.

How can I lie when I am theorizing? Are you really ok? Seriously step back and do whatever..... sigh

No references have been made to peer reviewed articles about an expanding Earth. None. To claim otherwise is a baldfaced lie.

I want references and sources that state that you are mentally competent to understand theories as complex as the ones presented. Until then I think this is a waste of time even typing a response to you.

At the fall meeting of the American Geophysical Union, researchers studying data returned by the Galileo spacecraft reported that Ganymede, like its neighbors Callisto and Europa, probably has a salty ocean. Ganymede's is far below its icy surface and far less promising of life than Europa's, however. Researchers now believe that Ganymede's more youthful-looking half could be due to a crust that stretched--as has happened in the past few million years on Europa--rather than any sort of icy volcanism, as many had assumed.

www.sciencemag.org...

They are learning more and more about this large moon. Many believe that it did expand. Most of the debate is how.

Originally posted by All Seeing Eye

Virtually all of mankind's achievements or discoveries have been produced from mistakes or plain old dumb luck, not the scientific community!

Go ahead people, play with the theory on your own without the guidance, or control of the "scientific community". Dare to explore and decide for yourselves! Don't let these self professed "experts" fool you, or, derail you. You might discover something, by accident!!!

Well said. Starred

According to Stereo people who invent or discover something as great as a vaccine or AC electricity are 'nit-wits' 'morons' and 'stupid' because they dont have a peer reviewed article on the web to back up the discovery.

Insane really.

reply to post by Shadow Herder

According to Stereo people who invent or discover something as great as a vaccine or AC electricity are 'nit-wits' 'morons' and 'stupid' because they dont have a peer reviewed article on the web to back up the discovery.

That's a fairly poor attempt at a straw man argument.

It just shows how low people will stoop to cover up their massive failures of claiming that scientists are actually working on the failed notion of an Expanding earth.

No real scientists are studying this. It's a failed claim and you know it and no amount of whining and crying is going to make any difference.

reply to post by Shadow Herder

They are learning more and more about this large moon. Many believe that it did expand. Most of the debate is how.

The stretch is small and related to tidal heating. It is not an ongoing process that has been happening since the formation of the moon. Rather it is a bounded event that could be reversed.

To suggest otherwise is not true.

reply to post by Shadow Herder

Are you really that dense that you cannot comprehend what a theory is?

I do know what a theory is in the scientific sense and the expando Earth claims are not a theory at this time. The notion was long since shown to be wrong. On the other hand you continue to use theory in the sense of a wild eyed speculation. That is not what a theory is in science.

The basic problem boils down to the claims of the expanding Earth being a modern fraud. The notion from half a century ago is gone. It is being replaced by outright lies, misrepresentations, and vague claims.

Examples of these:
1. faked images showing an Earth that never existed
2. Claiming that a change on the surface of Ganymede is something other than a known, bounded process
3. Claiming a connection to dinosaur size and a change in gravity

Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by Shadow Herder

 

Are you really that dense that you cannot comprehend what a theory is?

I do know what a theory is in the scientific sense and the expando Earth claims are not a theory at this time. The notion was long since shown to be wrong. On the other hand you continue to use theory in the sense of a wild eyed speculation. That is not what a theory is in science.

The basic problem boils down to the claims of the expanding Earth being a modern fraud. The notion from half a century ago is gone. It is being replaced by outright lies, misrepresentations, and vague claims.

Examples of these:
1. faked images showing an Earth that never existed
2. Claiming that a change on the surface of Ganymede is something other than a known, bounded process
3. Claiming a connection to dinosaur size and a change in gravity
El gringos replio
Interestingly heres a titbit of information,birds and dinsaurs are related and descended apart in the past so,relatively speaking the shadow wins !www.sciencedaily.com...

Almost 20 years of research at OSU on the morphology of birds and dinosaurs, along with other studies and the newest PNAS research, Ruben said, are actually much more consistent with a different premise -- that birds may have had an ancient common ancestor with dinosaurs, but they evolved separately on their own path, and after millions of years of separate evolution birds also gave rise to the raptors. Small animals such as velociraptor that have generally been thought to be dinosaurs are more likely flightless birds, he said.

Remember the now extinct DoDo

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The issue of peer reviewed journals is that this is the manner in which real scientists communicate.

The purpose of publishing is to place ideas in the public arena of scientific work. It provides the basis for letting others know what significant findings are being developed.

Who invented AC? Well it was in use by 1855 by Guillaume Duchenne. It was known about or considered long before that. Lots of people have contributed to an understanding of AC.

With all of the research being done today it is becoming all the more important that information is disseminated. The vehicles for that are meetings and journals. There are thousands of meetings each year spread across the globe. This is where ideas can be tested or presented. There are plenty of ideas each year that are loosely tested against their peers. Lots of these ideas turn out to be important. Lots of ideas are dropped because they fail.

I think there is this false concept of the scientist working in a vacuum that makes an all important and world shattering discovery and is then pummeled into oblivion by his spiteful rivals or the torch carrying fools of the town. Sorry, that's a Hollywood B movie formula which is not how things work.