Golden Eagles Steal Livestock in Britain, Amazing Photo.

reply to post by crimvelvet


Gently, crimvelvet, gently.

If we were free to farm as we should, then I don't think any farmer or rancher would bemoan the loss of a fraction of their livestock...it is part and parcel of husbandry. They should have a shepherd watching their flocks at all times if they have so many sheep anyway.

You are correct, we are in a state of food production emergency that won't reach, pardon the pun, fruition for a little while longer, then stomachs will growl and the masses become restless. Then all hell will break loose.

But, there will always be a place for conservation and environmentalism...so we don't repeat the wholesale slaughter of wildlife and destruction of habitat that we have done for centuries.

Too bad these two entitities have been weaponized against us and now become the very sword that they intend to use to finish us and our way of life.

reply to post by czygyny

....If we were free to farm as we should, then I don't think any farmer or rancher would bemoan the loss of a fraction of their livestock...

It is the thoughtlessness of the comment that got me angry especially since I have been feeding a baby lamb every two hours for the last few days.

If some one stole a hundred bucks out of the person's wallet every day they would be out raged, yet since it is a "farmer" well we do not care that he suffers losses big F'n deal.

After FIVE years trying to wake up idiots like that who think that food magically appears on super market shelves without even a thought to the effort made to raise that food, process and transport it, I am beginning to agree with the Elite. It is time for a HUGE rude awakening.

Yes farmers expect loses, Yes that bird is magnificent, But if you want MY livestock to FEED that bird then I should be getting $500 to a $1,000 for a finished lamb instead of fifty.

Out of a typical $8.00 lunch, a farmer gets only $0.39. as illustrated in a farm rally in Washington DC in March 2000. That amount has fallen even further and with the new regulations Farmers will bankrupt.

Personally I now side with Doreen Hannes statement "Let them Eat GRASS!" This is the last year I will sell any food. From now on I raise it to feed myself. I am very sick of the ill bred oblivious spoiled brats.

I expect I am not the only farmer who feel this way. I am hoping for a nation wide FARMERS STRIKE to wake people up.

reply to post by czygyny

If we were free to farm as we should, then I don't think any farmer or rancher would bemoan the loss of a fraction of their livestock...

Has it ever occurred to you that constantly listening to idiotic comments like that coupled with the New 2012 Regulations will tip the balance so farmers get angry and they DO say "Let them EAT GRASS"???

According to the USDA, almost 90 percent of the total income of rancher or farmer households now comes from outside earnings and the average age is 55.4 years with many farmers beyond or approaching retirement age.

Out of 2.2 million farmers only 4,048 are full time farmers deriving 100% of the income from farming.

In other words, piss us off enough and you can kiss 25% of the world's food supply good bye!

reply to post by crimvelvet


I'm having a little trouble following.

I think I am very much in agreement with you, as I suspect most here on ATS are, that yes, indeed, agro-industry is killing the "real" farmer.

Personally, I believe that farmers and teachers get a much higher remuneration, as I consider they have the most positive (and important) impact on society.

That being said, I'm convinced that wild animals are much less of a risk to the existence of "real" farmers and their profit margins, than are multi-national industrial agro-industrial cartels, and their control of food prices, along with trade agreements that drive food prices ever downward.

Fight the good fight, but direct your anger to the politicians who routinely sell out the population to corporate interests over that of the general population.

Cheers,

the Billmeister

Originally posted by Billmeister
reply to post by crimvelvet

 

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Fight the good fight, but direct your anger to the politicians who routinely sell out the population to corporate interests over that of the general population.

I agree, and I believe that we will make our case more effectively when we try to educate and not blame.

The pendulum has made its swing, one end was free-for-all-slaughter of nature, the other end is where humans are marginalized and animals rule.

The right path is somewhere in the middle.

Originally posted by crimvelvet

Has it ever occurred to you that constantly listening to idiotic comments like that coupled with the New 2012 Regulations will tip the balance so farmers get angry and they DO say "Let them EAT GRASS"???

@->--- Has it ever occurred to you that this is EXACTLY what is intended to happen?

Don't you understand we have been manipulated and duped, all of us?

Mankind's stewardship has been demonized, extreme environmentalism has been glorified, and has been taught in schools, glamorized in mainstream media and the manipulation in our legal system has reached its fullness

They are setting us up to fall and fail.

Educate and do not blame.

reply to post by Billmeister

....Fight the good fight, but direct your anger to the politicians who routinely sell out the population to corporate interests over that of the general population.

I have been in the trenches fighting for the last five years. Politicians and corporate interests could not win if the majority of people would stop and think of where their food comes from. Instead they ignore the issue or listen to the Corporate shills such as the Consumers Union, Organic Consumers Assoc, Food & Water Watch or Food safety advocate Barbara Kowalcyk, founder and director of food safety for the Center for Foodborne Illness Research and Prevention (CFI)

I have had FIVE years of people YAWNING, patting me on the head and telling me not to worry, the government wouldn't do anything to harm us, and idiots saying the lost of a few lambs is inconsequential.

The problem is they do not know what they are talking about. Once a predator figures out those lambs are there they come back day after day and take EVERY SINGLE ONE!

This is EXPERIENCE talking. A grey fox took out every single one of my neighbor's poultry, a bobcat took out all my lambs a couple of years ago and this year it was a blasted grey fox. (Grey fox can climb trees AND fences of any type. So can bobcat.

If you try to babysit the sheep they wait until you leave for a few minutes, have the lamb which the waiting fox then grabs before you get back from the John. Pasture lambing is much cleaner than barn lambing, so if you go for barn lambing you are more likely to lose lambs to infections.

Yes I have tried guard animals. Unfortunately the bobcats and fox are just too small and fast for them although they will kill a dog or coyote.


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FOOD SAFETY:
John Munsell's Comment in this article is the best description of the food safety problem I have seen: www.marlerblog.com...
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Home Gardens: www.examiner.com...
General comment: www.forbes.com...


Background and History
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reply to post by czygyny

Don't you understand we have been manipulated and duped, all of us?

Mankind's stewardship has been demonized, extreme environmentalism has been glorified, and has been taught in schools, glamorized in mainstream media and the manipulation in our legal system has reached its fullness

They are setting us up to fall and fail.

Educate and do not blame.

Of COURSE I understand. I just spend FIVE years educating, handing out flyers every weekend and even talking on the radio!

BUT IS TOO LATE!!!

The blasted bill was passed into LAW.

The only hope now is that FARMERS wake up and STRIKE!

I am very very afraid that given the age of American farmers and the horrible economy, we are going to see the corporate vultures picking off independents farms one by one over the next few years with the help of USDA and FDA fines and jail sentences.

As I said I will not be selling any more food so I am not covered by the new law. Hopefully all they other farmers will do the same. After a year of famine and world wide food riots MAYBE the idiot consumers will FINALLY wake up.... But I would not bet on it.

reply to post by LordBaskettIV


Hey, LordBaskett. That is one of the most incredible photos I have ever seen. Would it be possible to get the background story on this image?
I understand you have some pretty vicious Badgers in your parts, too. Golden Eagle vs. Badger... I think I know what would happen.

Originally posted by crimvelvet


A study done in Mexico showed NAFTA wiped out over 75% of the farmers in Mexico. In India farmers are suiciding at the rate of one every 30 minutes.

I sure hope you are the one reduced to eating grass!

edit on 2-3-2011 by crimvelvet because: (no reason given)

Posts like the above make it worth the while to come to
ATS.
And by wiping out the Mexican farmer they can force them to come to the
US and wipe out the US middle class.
Thats killing two birds with one stone.

Eagles rock! And to the poor starving farmer... I hate to say it but survival of the fittest. IMHO there is no justification for taking anti eagle measures that would involve killing them.


edit: I don't see how this quite relates to agri business intentionally destroying the little guy farmers. But I'm just that simple

Very cool find. Yes Im sad for the lamb, but I try to understand wild life for what it is as my cats bring me gifts as well.... Anyhow, thought you might like this little contribution.... A Eagle takes on a fox. I tried to put all the clips together...

reply to post by dl2one


This is the idiotic comment that set me off. (I just finished feeding my lamb again btw)

Some silly little lamb that will be replaced by 20 other little lambs through forced breeding?...

But seriously, lambs are not on the verge of extinction. So who cares about 200 out of 2 billion?

That person needs a steady diet of nothing but grass to eat for a week. Or better yet no food they do not raise themselves for the rest of their life.

And yes the pictures of the eagles are just amazing. Great Photography!

I have a pair of Red Tail Hawks that nest near my house and often perch on the fence posts outside my window.

They have been there for several years. My spouse has also seen a black panther in between here and town.

Originally posted by crimvelvet
reply to post by dl2one

 

This is the idiotic comment that set me off. (I just finished feeding my lamb again btw)

Some silly little lamb that will be replaced by 20 other little lambs through forced breeding?...

But seriously, lambs are not on the verge of extinction. So who cares about 200 out of 2 billion?

That person needs a steady diet of nothing but grass to eat for a week. Or better yet no food they do not raise themselves for the rest of their life.

And yes the pictures of the eagles are just amazing. Great Photography!

I have a pair of Red Tail Hawks that nest near my house and often perch on the fence posts outside my window.

They have been there for several years. My spouse has also seen a black panther in between here and town.

I was half expecting you to lambast me lol, you seemed so upset, which is understandable. Honestly though I feel for you farmers that are really getting screwed. I believe the same trend is starting here in Canuckistan. Family farm numbers are dwindling fast, I don't like that..

edit: also, that's awesome you get to see lots of wild animals near you

So this has been an interesting read and all, and eagles are impressive animals, but where is the cryptozoology? I thought it might tie into thunderbirds (I tried to insert that in my last post) but to no avail. Keep the angry farmer/dumb consumer talk to another forum please.

Originally posted by cincycrypto
So this has been an interesting read and all, and eagles are impressive animals, but where is the cryptozoology? I thought it might tie into thunderbirds (I tried to insert that in my last post) but to no avail. Keep the angry farmer/dumb consumer talk to another forum please.

you sound extremely dissappointed you didnt see a uni-montauk-mummy-grey-bigfoot. you can always complain to a mod, so they can move it, or delete it or whatever and you can have a cookie

reply to post by dl2one


Yes, I'm a little bummed. And a cookie would be nice. I'm also not that motivated to complain etc. I do though enjoy the eagle pictures. We could use more of those for sure.

reply to post by crimvelvet


Thank you for the real-world response.

As a city dweller, the best I can do is belong to a local coop which supports local farmers.

I feel for you, and wish you the best.

the Billmeister

reply to post by crimvelvet


I really do feel for you and all independent farmers. As a person who eats, I'm sure I'll get to feel for me and mine in the not too distant future.

In defense of the masses, agri-business has done so much more to squash the information you were trying to get out there over the last several years because they have those deep pockets. I truly applaud your efforts nad hope that people come to realize what has actually transpired and someone pushes to get this legislation overturned before it's too late... if it's not already.

The easiest way to control a population is through it's food supply. TPTB have always known this and have positioned themselves nicely.