What the Bible teaches about homosexuality.

Originally posted by Annee
I didn't forget Love. Love can't be a law.

You can make one simple law "do no harm" or "cause no harm" - - - but you can't make someone do it with love or understand doing it because of love.

Unconditional pure love requires letting go of self/ego. Self/Ego is a trait of physical human.

Few humans have reached the level of complete release and embracing fully their spirit energy.

I used to think that unconditional pure love requires letting go of the self/ego. Such a thought places a very large stumbling block in one's path to unconditionally loving others. I know from experience that trying to be something I am not, void of ego - my self, only cause inner torment as I tried to eliminate it.

The trick is not in getting rid of the ego. The ego is who you are as an individual. There is nothing wrong with it until it grows past the point of respecting and loving others. Then it needs to be subdued, not eliminated.

Many folks have pointed out that I have an ego. So? I still respect others that show respect, and I love them all. I am still just a poor white boy from Baltimore, but my ego is under my control, not the other way around.

Love IS the law, but it is woefully out of practice. It is not one that can be enforced other than by divine providence. If you are loving to others, they love you back. If you are not loving to others, well they tend not to love you either. That is the natural cause and effect.

When one sees how the law of Love works, then you see those who are not loving are those who have not been shown very much love in life. They are only showing what they have received. Someone has to be strong enough in love for all to help those find their way back to love. Unfortunately, the society we have created is not very conducive for such good will. Thus we must change the way we build our society.

For such a radical change, society must be torn down to it's very foundation and rebuilt on equality and love for all.

That is what is happening now in the world. There will be wars and there will be natural disasters of epic proportions. These things will happen because they are needed. It is the only way to tear down the old, that something new and better can be built.

Love one another is the law. We are utterly dependant on one another. That is a fact that cannot be denied.

As for proof of these things I say, it is coming...

Watch for it.



With Love,

Your Friend

reply to post by Annee

BS - - - homosexuality is as normal and natural as you are.

It's neither.

If homosexuality were in fact "normal" they would comprise more than 3-4% of the population.

If homosexuality were in fact "natural" they would be able to reproduce.

They exact opposite is true, homosexuality is the rare exception and against nature.

reply to post by IAMIAM

If you do not believe homosexuality is normal, go try it out.

I don't have to "believe" anything. If homosexuality were in fact "normal" it would be the norm, not the rare exception. "Normal" is defined as:

conforming to the standard or the common type; usual; not abnormal; regular; natural.

Homosexuals comprise 3 -4% of the population.

reply to post by Annee

It is not how God made them.

God doesn't "make" people gay. The Lord says a person laying with their same sex as one does the opposite sex is an abomination. God doesn't create abominations.

Secondly, there are scores of ministries that deal with homosexuals who wish to abandon that with the help and power of the Holy Spirit and are very successful, often leaving it behind forever to enjoy a wife or husband and multiple children.

P.S. It would be a "shotgun argument" fallacy if I were to link 30-40 Christian homosexual ministries.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by IAMIAM

 

If you do not believe homosexuality is normal, go try it out.

I don't have to "believe" anything. If homosexuality were in fact "normal" it would be the norm, not the rare exception. "Normal" is defined as:

conforming to the standard or the common type; usual; not abnormal; regular; natural.

Homosexuals comprise 3 -4% of the population.

Oh ok, now that we are clear on what is "normal", I suppose it is safe then to say that Christians should stay out of the middle east, Africa, China, Korea, and far away from the indigenous tribes of Australia, the Americas, and various other pockets of the world where they are considered not normal.

In fact, it should have been stamped out from the very beginning when it was just a small cult.

What is good for the goose is good for the gander afterall.

reply to post by IAMIAM

I used to think that unconditional pure love requires letting go of the self/ego.

That's pride IAM, Jesus told us to deny ourselves.

"And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me." Luke 9:23

I am nothing apart from Christ.

reply to post by IAMIAM

Oh ok, now that we are clear on what is "normal", I suppose it is safe then to say that Christians should stay out of the middle east, Africa, China, Korea, and far away from the indigenous tribes of Australia, the Americas, and various other pockets of the world where they are considered not normal.

In fact, it should have been stamped out from the very beginning when it was just a small cult.

What is good for the goose is good for the gander afterall.

An argument by analogy is only as strong as the comparison on which it rests. The weak analogy fallacy (or “false analogy”, or “questionable analogy”) is committed when the comparison is not strong enough.

Weak Analogy Fallacy



Jesus told us to go into all nations and preach the Gospel of the cross to all men.


"And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come." Matthew 24:14

"And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature." Mark 16:15

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by IAMIAM

 

I used to think that unconditional pure love requires letting go of the self/ego.

That's pride IAM, Jesus told us to deny ourselves.

"And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me." Luke 9:23

I am nothing apart from Christ.

If you take of the cross daily, you'd show unconditional love to everyone. You can't pick and chose who you love according to their beliefs, and say you follow Christ.

reply to post by Akragon

If you take up the cross daily then you'd show love unconditionally....to everyone! You can't pick and chose who you love because of their beliefs.

Taking up one's cross means putting their will and flesh to death. Not my will but the Lord's will, not my desires, but His desires. Not my goals, but His goals. I must decrease so He can increase. It goes hand in hand with "deny himself".

Secondly, defending the truth of God's Word and the gospel is love. You'll read in the scriptures that "God is love". Telling people what God said is love. Only those rebellious to God find God's Words offensive and hateful. That's not God's fault.

Secondly, Jesus said His true sheep will be "hated" by the world and all mankind for their testimony.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by IAMIAM

 

I used to think that unconditional pure love requires letting go of the self/ego.

That's pride IAM, Jesus told us to deny ourselves.

If he meant get rid of your ego, then why did he continue to call his disciples by their name? Why not just call them all Jesus? Certainly Jesus still had his own ego, if not how would one tell Jesus from anyone else?

Pride is allowing your love for your ego to eclipse your love for all others.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

"And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me." Luke 9:23

I am nothing apart from Christ.

When you use scripture, you continue to cherry pick the line that supports your view. This does not help anyone to take you seriously for all can pull up the complete scripture and see that you are taking it out of context. This is disingenuous. I have time and again shown you that by pulling up the whole story that goes with your picked quote. When I do so, it shows that you are way off the mark.

This line for example is Christ telling his disciples that to follow him they will have to be willing to suffer for Christ's work. They will face ridicule, harrasment, torture, and even death, which many did. What he is saying by deny themselves is denying the life they had, for a better life for future generations. He is rallying his people before they stand up to the Pharisees and Roman Empire.

23And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me. 24For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it. 25For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away? 26For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels. 27But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

You make it very hard to discuss these matters with when you only use a line that supports your view. If you must use scripture, use the WHOLE scripture, not select lines.

Do you realise this technique you are using is the same technique that was used to justify slavery and women's subservience to men? Do you realise this same technique was used to justify the crusades and Salem witch burnings? Do you realise the many atrocities committed in the name of Christ by countless others who did the same thing you are doing?

Do you know that I can justify rape doing what you are doing?

Afterall, if it was ok for Lot to offer his daughters up to be raped instead of his angelic guests, then it MUST be ok to rape as long as it is women!

8Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes:

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by Akragon

 

If you take up the cross daily then you'd show love unconditionally....to everyone! You can't pick and chose who you love because of their beliefs.

Taking up one's cross means putting their will and flesh to death. Not my will but the Lord's will, not my desires, but His desires. Not my goals, but His goals. I must decrease so He can increase. It goes hand in hand with "deny himself".

Secondly, defending the truth of God's Word and the gospel is love. You'll read in the scriptures that "God is love". Telling people what God said is love. Only those rebellious to God find God's Words offensive and hateful. That's not God's fault.

Secondly, Jesus said His true sheep will be "hated" by the world and all mankind for their testimony.

hahaha, weak arguement FTL...

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Oh ok, now that we are clear on what is "normal", I suppose it is safe then to say that Christians should stay out of the middle east, Africa, China, Korea, and far away from the indigenous tribes of Australia, the Americas, and various other pockets of the world where they are considered not normal.

In fact, it should have been stamped out from the very beginning when it was just a small cult.

What is good for the goose is good for the gander afterall.

An argument by analogy is only as strong as the comparison on which it rests. The weak analogy fallacy (or “false analogy”, or “questionable analogy”) is committed when the comparison is not strong enough.

Weak Analogy Fallacy



Jesus told us to go into all nations and preach the Gospel of the cross to all men.


"And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come." Matthew 24:14

"And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature." Mark 16:15

Ah, so when someone makes a valid point, it is weak analogy because you say so.

I have better things to do than expend so much effort with someone who does not even wish to reason a matter. Your beliefs are concrete and you can have them. They are a millstone around your neck that will keep you firmly planted where you are. The world will move on and a better world is on the horizon. So long as you keep that millstone around your neck, you will not gain entrance into the next.

That is prophecy you can bank on.

Watch...

reply to post by IAMIAM


As i've said my friend... I will not deal with ones that freely chose to be blind... Im supprized at the effort you've already put in honestly

You will is greater then mine

Originally posted by IAMIAM


If he meant get rid of your ego, then why did he continue to call his disciples by their name? Why not just call them all Jesus? Certainly Jesus still had his own ego, if not how would one tell Jesus from anyone else?

Jesus is entitled to His ego, He is the Lord. God manifest in the flesh, the fullness of the Godhead bodily. John the Baptist said the exact same thing. "I must decrease so He can increase."

Pride is allowing your love for your ego to eclipse your love for all others.

No, "pride" is glorying in oneself. All the glory is Christ's.

When you use scripture, you continue to cherry pick the line that supports your view.

The only thing you "show" is how you twist scriptures to the applause of the unbelievers and the world. Christ said Christians would be hated by the world for our testimony. If the unbelieving, unborn-again world is applauding your message serious warning flags should be noted.

Your testimony for Christ should cause the unbelieving world to hate you, not applaud you.

Do you realise this technique you are using is the same technique that was used to justify slavery and women's subservience to men?

I can hardly see how, Paul taught it was wrong to steal a man and sell him into slavery against his will. He also taught that a man should love his wife as Christ loved the church. Christ loved the church so much He died for the church.

Do you realise this same technique was used to justify the crusades and Salem witch burnings?

I don't see how, the bible clearly states "Thou shalt not murder".

Do you realise the many atrocities committed in the name of Christ by countless others who did the same thing you are doing?

Where do you get these silly comparisons from? I mentioned that self-actualization is called "pride" in the Bible. The Bible condemns pride from Genesis to Revelation. For one, how is that a "cherry-picked" idea? Secondly, how is denying myself compared to justifying murder or slavery?

You're committing the same weak analogy fallacy again.

Do you know that I can justify rape doing what you are doing?

Afterall, if it was ok for Lot to offer his daughters up to be raped instead of his angelic guests, then it MUST be ok to rape as long as it is women!

Absurd, that's a straw man, never have I condoned raping women, NOR what Lot did with his daughters.

8Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes:

Can you find and link me one single commentary that condones what Lot did?

Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by IAMIAM

 

As i've said my friend... I will not deal with ones that freely chose to be blind... Im supprized at the effort you've already put in honestly

You will is greater then mine

It is my intention that NONE are left behind my friend. I do not expect that words alone will show the light to many. That is why we have prophecy...



If my words are untrue, if I do not say the truth of the the divine, then what I say will come to pass, will not. I do not speak for myself, but for Christ.

Those who do not believe can just watch.

That is all I ask.

With Love,

Your Brother

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by Annee

 

BS - - - homosexuality is as normal and natural as you are.

It's neither.

If homosexuality were in fact "normal" they would comprise more than 3-4% of the population.

If homosexuality were in fact "natural" they would be able to reproduce.

They exact opposite is true, homosexuality is the rare exception and against nature.

You have stated that you believe partnerships without children or the ability to have children is unnatural.

I see bigotry everywhere and am constantly disgusted by it but you win the prize for today's stupidest comment.

Shame on you.

reply to post by Garfee


Hahaha, priceless!!

reply to post by IAMIAM

Ah, so when someone makes a valid point, it is weak analogy because you say so.

It wasn't a "valid point". You compared evangelism to homosexuality.

Originally posted by IAMIAM

Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by IAMIAM

 

As i've said my friend... I will not deal with ones that freely chose to be blind... Im supprized at the effort you've already put in honestly

You will is greater then mine

It is my intention that NONE are left behind my friend. I do not expect that words alone will show the light to many. That is why we have prophecy...

If my words are untrue, if I do not say the truth of the the divine, then what I say will come to pass, will not. I do not speak for myself, but for Christ.

Those who do not believe can just watch.

That is all I ask.

With Love,

Your Brother

Im on your side my friend, i just have little patients for people who use bullsh!t as their arguement... This is the same guy that throws the "red hering" garbage when he can't figure out what to say as a response...

Unfortunatly unlike you, i will not deal with those who willingly chose blindness to the scriptures...

But as i've said, im still learning

Originally posted by Garfee

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by Annee

 

BS - - - homosexuality is as normal and natural as you are.

It's neither.

If homosexuality were in fact "normal" they would comprise more than 3-4% of the population.

If homosexuality were in fact "natural" they would be able to reproduce.

They exact opposite is true, homosexuality is the rare exception and against nature.

You have stated that you believe partnerships without children or the ability to have children is unnatural.

I see bigotry everywhere and am constantly disgusted by it but you win the prize for today's stupidest comment.

Shame on you.

Can you read?

1. Show me where I stated "partnerships without children" is unnatural.
2. Show me where I said "the ability to have children" is unnatural.


You either are a liar or need to find your reading glasses, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.