What the Bible teaches about homosexuality.

Originally posted by hawaii50th

Originally posted by Akragon
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Actually i would probably agree with him before most on this site...

That's your prerogative, if you want the watered down version.

Its not the watered down version its the correct version, the simplistic version that no one seems to understand sadly enough...

NOTurTypical

You're not in the Kingdom of Heaven, you're sitting at your computer arguing with me.

"His followers said to him, 'When will the rest for the dead take place, and when will the new world come?' He said to them, 'What you look for has come, but you do not know it.'"

*sigh*

These arguements are pointless, one side offers salvation though reading a book the other side offers salvation though the obvious solution. I don't see why this is so complicated for so many people.

The law is to love God and love one another, nothing more.... ALL of the 10 commandments are about love without exception... and even in loving one another you are still loving God.

Don't you see, God is in everyone...Good or bad, murderers, and sinners alike we all have God with us every single second of our lives because he IS us, and we are a part of him.

Quoting your book is pointless, the bible doesn't have God in it any more then a rock has God in it... it is a book made to understand God, and those who do not show love for others without exception ...DO NOT KNOW GOD.... Its as simple as that guys...

I know not everyone understands what im saying, you think your solution is in your book... It is... but not how you think... The rule is love if you don't understand that concept that resonates throughout the bible you are not understanding what you're reading.

God isn't in your book....If you don't understand Christ you might as well be reading a comic...

Study your book all you want... throw usless quotes at people as if you're getting brownie points by doing so...
the fact is you will not find the solution no matter how much you study... until you learn to love everyone for their faults, with their faults and with their beliefs...

I know a man that studied the bible and the Talmud and the torah for over 50 years, he knows the bible better then every man and women on this forum combined i promise you... He lives by the 10 commandments every single day of the past 50 some odd years of his life...but he still has not picked up on the main lesson.

Do i really have to say it again? Alright i will.....LOVE!!

Love is the only solution to all of this planets problems...if we all showed everyone the love we feel for ourselves there would be no wars, no famine, no poor, no lonely.....there would be harmony and dare i say it, peace on earth?

Get out of your frickin bibles and feel whats inside....Christ almighty!!

So many lost people...

reply to post by Akragon

"His followers said to him, 'When will the rest for the dead take place, and when will the new world come?' He said to them, 'What you look for has come, but you do not know it.'"

Are you quoting what Jesus said here? What your saying is incomplete, the bible is not just a book and it's not dead. Jesus Christ is the center of it all. He said, if you live by this one commandment, "love your neighbor as you would have him love you" than all commandments would be covered. How can we get close to achieving that, by accepting Christ into our life. Because if we do that, a transformation through the power of the Holy Spirit comes into us and gives us a new spirit. It is a spiritual awakening that causes us to see in a different light. We also gain forgiveness and salvation through Christ. He said, "no one comes to the Father except by Me" Christ is the only way, that's why He died for everybody on the cross.
He was what came and they didn't recognize Him, the Messiah.
I tell YOU, your the ones that got it wrong! Your only part of the way, your only telling a part of it and missing the most important part of all! You got To Have Jesus Christ In Your Heart in order to receive it all! We are all sinners until we receive that salvation that only come through the acceptance of JESUS CHRIST! And after that we are to sin no more, but we will still foul up, but through prayer we ask for forgiveness to the Father in Jesus name everyday of our lives until death. NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT BY ME, WHO? JESUS CHRIST THAT'S WHO! He is the new covenant between man and God. He is the one that was the sacrificial Lamb, His Blood was spilled so that we could make the connection between us and God. Do you know anything about the blood sacrifice that the Jews make to God for the forgiveness of their sins? Jesus Christ is the replacement for that act. So that all men could be forgiven and have salvation.

Originally posted by hawaii50th
reply to post by Akragon

 

"His followers said to him, 'When will the rest for the dead take place, and when will the new world come?' He said to them, 'What you look for has come, but you do not know it.'"

Are you quoting what Jesus said here? What your saying is incomplete, the bible is not just a book and it's not dead. Jesus Christ is the center of it all. He said, if you live by this one commandment, "love your neighbor as you would have him love you" than all commandments would be covered. How can we get close to achieving that, by accepting Christ into our life. Because if we do that, a transformation through the power of the Holy Spirit comes into us and gives us a new spirit. It is a spiritual awakening that causes us to see in a different light. We also gain forgiveness and salvation through Christ. He said, "no one comes to the Father except by Me" Christ is the only way, that's why He died for everybody on the cross.
He was what came and they didn't recognize Him, the Messiah.
I tell YOU, your the ones that got it wrong! Your only part of the way, your only telling a part of it and missing the most important part of all! You got To Have Jesus Christ In Your Heart in order to receive it all! We are all sinners until we receive that salvation that only come through the acceptance of JESUS CHRIST! And after that we are to sin no more, but we will still foul up, but through prayer we ask for forgiveness to the Father in Jesus name everyday of our lives until death. NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT BY ME, WHO? JESUS CHRIST THAT'S WHO! He is the new covenant between man and God. He is the one that was the sacrificial Lamb, His Blood was spilled so that we could make the connection between us and God. Do you know anything about the blood sacrifice that the Jews make to God for the forgiveness of their sins? Jesus Christ is the replacement for that act. So that all men could be forgiven and have salvation.

Why do you think that there are words of jesus christ in the bible? How do you know this is exactly what he said?

Originally posted by IAMIAM

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Sometimes "love" means speaking the truth even if it's not what a person wants to hear. It's love to tell the alcoholic that they are destroying their liver. it's "love" to tell the drug addict that they most likely will die prematurely. It's "love" to tell the unrepentant sinner that they need to turn from their rebellion to God's Word and seek Christ for salvation.

That is what I am doing and still you do not listen. See how fruitless it is? Sometimes, you just have to love the wilfully deaf.

This is a thread about "What the Bible Teaches About Homosexuality". You refuse to honor what God said about homosexuality. You refuse to say that homosexuals need to repent just like everyone else. You refuse to acknowledge the message from the prophets, the apostles, and Jesus Christ was for mankind to repent and end their rebellion against God. You focus on what Jesus said about "Love", but refuse to acknowledge a word He used more times than "love" which was the word "repent". You deny a literal, eternal Hell for the rebellious and unrepentant. Yet Christ taught about Hell more than Heaven by a ratio of 2 to 1.

You cherry-pick Christ's words, twist His other words (2 Peter 3:15-16), and reject the Law and Prophets from the Old Testament which Christ spoke of continually. You've created a false Christ, and you worship this false Christ you've created, that's idolatry. Christ is not some hippy who taught all were the children of God, quite the opposite, He said "few" were chosen, that many were the son's and daughters of the devil.

You don't see me compromising.

I can't recall you echoing Christ's words for sinners to repent. Why is that?

Where is God's mouth? It isn't the Bible. You certainly did not see Christ on the Sermon on the Mount with a KJV1611.

Well that's an obvious statement of the decade, the only scriptures Christ had available to Him at the time of the sermon on the mount was the OT, the Law and the Prophets. But here us what Christ said about the people who rejected what the prophets had written:

"Then he said unto them, O FOOLS, and slow of heart to believe ALL that the prophets have spoken:"

Do you now believe all that the Prophets wrote down or are you still a "fool" and "slow of heart" as Christ said?

If you were not worthy of God's grace he would not have given you life.

Grace is "God's unmerited favor. Am I "worthy" to merit God's grace? Absolutely not, God grants grace for His pleasure and glory alone. I'm a sinner, the only thing as a sinner I'm "worthy" of is His wrath and judgment for eternity for my rebellion to His word and commands. I don't deserve His favor, that's why it's grace!!!

Can you not see how illogical your arguments are?

"For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness." 1 Corinthians 3:19

It does not even make sense in any way shape or form.

"Be NOT wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil." Proverbs 3:7

Man then took the fruit of the knowledge of Good and Evil and started trying to judge everything.

"...Take heed what ye do: for ye judge not for man, but for the LORD, who is with you in the judgment."

""Thus saith the LORD of hosts; If thou wilt walk in my ways, and if thou wilt keep my charge, then thou shalt also judge my house, and shalt also keep my courts, and I will give thee places to walk among these that stand by."

"Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment."

"Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow."

"And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?"

"But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man."

"Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? And if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? How much more things that pertain to this life? "

That is where Sin comes from. We made it up.

Wrong false teacher, "sin" is transgression of God's laws:

"Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law."

It is not in our ability to handle such knowledge. We are not the judge! There is no Sin. If something is Sinful, God will handle it. Our only expectation is to love one another. That is it.

More false doctrine. Yes, there is sin, sin is the transgression of God's laws. We certainly are told to judge, just not on someone's appearance.

I am not arguing with you. I am showing the world the holes in your argument in hopes that more will see the light and walk away from the darkness you and those like you try to draw others into. It is not for your benefit that I have this discussion, it is for those who are able to see and hear the truth.

Your words are repeatedly smacked down by scripture. You're not "showing" anything but your ignorance to 95% of it. It should trouble you that those who are agreeing and applauding your words are those who are unbelievers and those whom are perishing. Those who are on the broad way who don't trust the Lord for their salvation are the only one's giving you praise for your doctrine...

doesn't that tell you something?

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"His followers said to him, 'When will the rest for the dead take place, and when will the new world come?' He said to them, 'What you look for has come, but you do not know it.'"

What book and verse is this? I can't find it.

"I don't see why this is so complicated for so many people." (AKRAGON)


Because people complicate things to the point where they couldn't see simplicity if their lives depended on it. They just can't see the forest through the trees, and if you try to tell them that, you get a dumb, blank stare in return. And the kicker is that they think YOU are the one who is socially retarded because you are not complicating things, giving new interpretations to a 2,000 year old text written by sexually repressed rock throwers, therefore progressing as a human being. Complications = progression.

I swear to God they're idiots.

Homosexuality is physical because it involves sexual activity which, again, is physical. Religion and/or spirituality is something you feel with your heart and soul. It involves feelings that require you do nothing physical.

How people think those two go hand in hand is beyond me.

All any christian has to do is prove jesus christ existed and was the messiah and everyone would be christian.

As for the bible, prove it is the word of god and rational people would take it seriously.

I am begging you for proof. Not blind faith in a story and story book.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
I can't recall you echoing Christ's words for sinners to repent. Why is that?

I have done this. In case you missed it, here it is...

Final Warning

Notice the date and observe the world...

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Your words are repeatedly smacked down by scripture. You're not "showing" anything but your ignorance to 95% of it. It should trouble you that those who are agreeing and applauding your words are those who are unbelievers and those whom are perishing. Those who are on the broad way who don't trust the Lord for their salvation are the only one's giving you praise for your doctrine...

doesn't that tell you something?

I have backed all that I have said with scripture countless times. You choose to ignore it and seek out your own cherry picked quote to fill the whole in your heart. When you have divested yourself of the offences you perceive in this life and walk the world again with the mind of a child, not knowing Sin, and loving all, then you will know I have spoken the truth. Then you will see the gates of heaven open before you.

Until then, this is your journey. Walk it how you see fit.

You find homosexuals unworthy, that is fine. You will not offer them love and acceptance in Christ's name, that is fine.

I will take the homosexuals. I will take the prostitutes. I will take the drug addicts, the pimps, the dealers, the thieves, the murderers, the atheists, I will take ALL that you reject, and love them without condition. I know what evils we have wrought in this world and I know what leads one down the path they take. It is called human nature, and I love them for it. My message is simple, we do not have to have that world. We can build one better. We just have to love one another, not judge one another, and do it. I do not preach, I do. I am not looking for preachers, I am looking for doer's. So anyone who wants to see a better world built on unconditional love, that is who I want to be around.

Count your sheep.

"As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest (twist), as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction."



"Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."


"This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief."


"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;"


"Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit. Then will I teach transgressors thy ways; and sinners shall be converted unto thee."

Originally posted by Ryanssuperman
I have one thing that completely contradicts anything you can throw at me about this topic:

Genesis 1:27
So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

P.S. I believe any anti homosexual scripture was added by egotistical and probably closeted men in power when the "Bible" was written in its current form.

Any religion that promotes love between all of gods creations, and that god loves all of his creations, but then says "this type of creation is wrong", is incredibly hypocritical.

Either god loves all of his creations, or he doesn't exist as the god that the bible trys to teach us.

edit on 2-3-2011 by Ryanssuperman because: (no reason given)

Your P.S. statement is telling: you appear to have maybe read portions of the Bible yet never fully through like a book is meant to, And the bible is meant to be read more than once. It would also be helpful on you second reading to use a concordance to understand the meanings of the original Hebrew and Greek words.

That being said IF they were in the closet as you say then they would have written a book that DAMS themselves by their very own words. Seems strange that they would do such.
I would believe that they would not do that.

You statement lets put it like this, we will say for sake of argument that you are an ""artist"". You work with clay.
You create all kinds of pieces, some turn out through your guidance just the way you wanted, some no matter how much you work with just do not live up to your standard, because when you leave it alone someone else shapes it. Since they are your creations do you not have the right to do with them as you see fit??

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Perhaps you'd like to explain how that quote was incomplete...

Not to mention the fact that i would like to see if you know where that quote came from.

You seem to be trying to teach me something i already understood long ago friend... and though i admire your passion our beliefs are not quite the same.

Love is the rule from start to finish in your bible, with out it you can't uphold the old commandments and obviously not the new ones....accepting Jesus in your heart is Exactly what im talking about...Loving God as you love yourself, and your neighbours likewise.

So please explain without trying to teach me what i already know...

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Love is the rule from start to finish in your bible..

No one is denying that Akragon, of course it is. It's the greatest love story of all time. But what some are trying to show is that the greatest teacher of love and love in the flesh spent His time here on Earth teaching men to repent and turn back to God.

"Love" is NOT refusing to tell men their rebellion and unrighteousness and sinful ways will bring the wrath of God. Jesus didn't come to Earth to eat, drink, and be merry with sinners and condone their rebellion to God's laws. Christ's mission number 1 was to call sinners to repentance.

"I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance." ~ Jesus Christ

We're all sinners, we all need to repent and trust Jesus for our salvation.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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Love is the rule from start to finish in your bible..

No one is denying that Akragon, of course it is. It's the greatest love story of all time. But what some are trying to show is that the greatest teacher of love and love in the flesh spent His time here on Earth teaching men to repent and turn back to God.

"Love" is NOT refusing to tell men their rebellion and unrighteousness and sinful ways will bring the wrath of God. Jesus didn't come to Earth to eat, drink, and be merry with sinners and condone their rebellion to God's laws. Christ's mission number 1 was to call sinners to repentance.

"I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance." ~ Jesus Christ

We're all sinners, we all need to repent and trust Jesus for our salvation.

I agree with you...

The problem is you also have to understand the mind of Jesus to understand how love conquers all... Accepting jesus isn't something you can just say, and then stamp your self with a label like "christian" or what have you...

People must understand that "accepting Jesus" is more then just saying the words... You must walk the narrow path as i love to say Lead by example....show love to those that do not listen and to those blinded by their own ego....theres no exception to the rule of love.

If you approach every situation with love and compassion even for the ones that lack understanding, you can do no wrong.

If one doesn't believe your words, do you turn your back on him? Or perhaps do you continue to push your beliefs on him because you know they're right?

If one doesn't listen to the laws of God, you must accept them for who they are. They are blind and choose not to see... Unfortunatly not everyone will accept your words, nor will everyone except mine, but we try...and if we fail so be it. They must walk their path in life.....

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
"I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance." ~ Jesus Christ

Since that is your new favorite cherry, lets taste the whole tree it came from.

29And Levi made him a great feast in his own house: and there was a great company of publicans and of others that sat down with them. 30But their scribes and Pharisees murmured against his disciples, saying, Why do ye eat and drink with publicans and sinners? 31And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick. 32I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

How was he making them whole? By eating and drinking with them. By loving them. By loving them they learn that they are whole and how to love others.

33And they said unto him, Why do the disciples of John fast often, and make prayers, and likewise the disciples of the Pharisees; but thine eat and drink? 34And he said unto them, Can ye make the children of the bridechamber fast, while the bridegroom is with them?

Uh oh, who is the children of the bridechamber??

35But the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken away from them, and then shall they fast in those days.

Sounds like the rejected will go a time without love to me.

36And he spake also a parable unto them; No man putteth a piece of a new garment upon an old; if otherwise, then both the new maketh a rent, and the piece that was taken out of the new agreeth not with the old. 37And no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish. 38But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved. 39No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.

Ah, what is this new garment and new wine? It is the commandment of Christ brought to replace the commandments of old.

Love one another.

With Love,

Your Brother

P.S. Do notice that he IS eating, drinking, and being merry with sinners...

Originally posted by Garfee
All any christian has to do is prove jesus christ existed and was the messiah and everyone would be christian.

As for the bible, prove it is the word of god and rational people would take it seriously.

I am begging you for proof. Not blind faith in a story and story book.

Exactly! I was raised (assimilated) Christian. Believed more or less for around 40 years.

The more I read and studied other works - - the more I discovered that Christianity is basically a Stolen belief - put in a new wrapper.

Religion is basically a political tool. When you read the real facts of how Christianity came about - - it is a classical politicians dream.

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I've read interpretations/translations of the parts in the bible - - suggested to be about homosexuality - - by Christian scholars - - who say it is about not welcoming guests or rejecting guests - - which was a major social taboo at the time.

Those who insist it is God saying homosexuality is an abomination - - - are Choosing to interpret it that way.

They are Choosing the hate and negativity. Because there is an alternative interpretation they can Choose if they want to.

Originally posted by Akragon

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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Love is the rule from start to finish in your bible..

No one is denying that Akragon, of course it is. It's the greatest love story of all time. But what some are trying to show is that the greatest teacher of love and love in the flesh spent His time here on Earth teaching men to repent and turn back to God.

"Love" is NOT refusing to tell men their rebellion and unrighteousness and sinful ways will bring the wrath of God. Jesus didn't come to Earth to eat, drink, and be merry with sinners and condone their rebellion to God's laws. Christ's mission number 1 was to call sinners to repentance.

"I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance." ~ Jesus Christ

We're all sinners, we all need to repent and trust Jesus for our salvation.

I agree with you...

The problem is you also have to understand the mind of Jesus to understand how love conquers all... Accepting jesus isn't something you can just say, and then stamp your self with a label like "christian" or what have you...

People must understand that "accepting Jesus" is more then just saying the words... You must walk the narrow path as i love to say

Lead by example....show love to those that do not listen and to those blinded by their own ego....theres no exception to the rule of love.

If you approach every situation with love and compassion even for the ones that lack understanding, you can do no wrong.

If one doesn't believe your words, do you turn your back on him? Or perhaps do you continue to push your beliefs on him because you know they're right?

If one doesn't listen to the laws of God, you must accept them for who they are. They are blind and choose not to see... Unfortunatly not everyone will accept your words, nor will everyone except mine, but we try...and if we fail so be it. They must walk their path in life.....

This statement and scripture cuts to the bone,

Luke 9:5 (Amplified Bible) 5 And wherever they do not receive and accept and welcome you, when you leave that town shake off [even] the dust from your feet, as a testimony against them.

At the end where it says, "as a testimony against them" is a most powerful statement against those that refuse to accept the truth. You do not accept them, you walk away from them, dusting the dust from your feet is saying you will not have anymore to do with them, period.

We have that right to walk away, we don't have to accept anyone that denies the word of God, we can still pray for them, but we don't accept their beliefs or ways, and we are not to associate with them either.

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Tell you what, you believe whatever you want my friend i care not...

I will accept everyone regardless of their beliefs, but if you choose not to that is your "testement" not mine...

I do have a question for you though... What of the people on this planet that haven't heard of christ? And what about people who belief christ was a prophet but not a savior? Such as muslims?

Do you condem them as well?

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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"His followers said to him, 'When will the rest for the dead take place, and when will the new world come?' He said to them, 'What you look for has come, but you do not know it.'"

What book and verse is this? I can't find it.

And you won't find it my friend, that is from Thomas...

A Christian trying to share the word of God with a gentile.

Originally posted by Akragon

If you approach every situation with love and compassion even for the ones that lack understanding, you can do no wrong.

Yes! Although I have a different belief/approach - - - - in my belief - - - EVERY thought is an action. Thoughts are energy that affect the whole of the universe.

You can Choose negative thought or you can Choose positive thought. But whatever your thoughts - - - the whole of life as it exists is affected.

I can believe there are advanced benevolent beings trying to evolve man spiritually. Spiritual is not of the flesh.

Do not read Jesus' words from below (earth/man physical) - - - read them from above (energy spiritual being).