Australia proposes ban on 1000s of plants including national flower

reply to post by Travlla


Agreed, There is no chance of it ever being implemented. I cant even get my council to cut the grass in the nature strip at the park across the road.
And even better. Would we be able to sue if we consumed such product on public land and got ill?

Originally posted by meathed
reply to post by Travlla

 

Agreed, There is no chance of it ever being implemented. I cant even get my council to cut the grass in the nature strip at the park across the road.
And even better. Would we be able to sue if we consumed such product on public land and got ill?

That's not how it would work. It's easy to create legislation to outlaw plants. As it is, we have one of the most strictest regulations when it comes to ethnobotanicals. I cannot even purchase Blue Lotus which is legal over east and import it into WA due to the strict AQIS regulations. Let alone something that contains something of recreational value.

I used to be able to purchase Baby Hawaiian Woodrose seeds but they are now restricted. No cactii, no plats of any value.

Not because they are illegal, but because they created legislation to prevent procurement.

All they need to do is enact these laws on anything with dimethaltryptamine and while it will be growing all around you, you will be breaking the law to so much as show interest in it.

And it makes me sick to my back teeth that they are doing this. Not because I have even so much as climbed a wattle tree, but because these plants are not given to us just so ignorance can outlaw them.

This is disgusting - I will be sending my thoughts to the email provided so thanks for that.

I have never tried the stuff, but I overheard someone saying on the train that they know of someone who's been selling it semi-regularly. Could be just coincidence but its possible its becoming more common.

From what I have read, its not a drug that people could abuse even if they wanted to, because it would kick your ass if you tried. Not to mention being a long process to extract from these plants.

Definately stinks of conspiracy and suppressing the truth to me.

Originally posted by captainbitter
I'm not really sure I understand why they feel the need to outlaw plants containing a substance that doesn't seem to be abused, used, or really available. I really don't see who this is protecting. Really makes me wonder what is being prevented.

That is exactly what I was thinking. It's not like '___' is out on the streets available to all for purchase, well at least not here in the states. I have read loosely about '___' and what it does and causes. To me it seems extremely interesting which makes me wonder why they want to ban everything with it.

I remember when they banned angel trumpets here. A friend of mine had an award winning garden and was forced to remove them or face daily fines or jail. It was so ridiculous. They banned them because kids were apparently smoking them and when smoked it becomes a halliucenogen.

It is weird to ban hundreds over plants over a substance that we do produce and one that isn't abused.

Originally posted by badw0lfI used to be able to purchase Baby Hawaiian Woodrose seeds but they are now restricted. No cactii, no plats of any value.

Completely agree with everything else you said, but I know someone who recently enquired (not sure which authorities) about importing some cacti from over East and they said it was all clear. AFAIK he got his order with no problems, so they will be a nice addition to his garden.

reply to post by moonpie86

'___' is something your body naturally produces, are they going to try and remove our pineal glands?

Hmm..too late to worry if they're up to doing this, it's already happening.

You might want to check out the effects of fluoride on the pineal gland.

You're allowed to grow a Cannabis plant, but not a tobacco plant?!

Is smoking tobacco illegal in OZ or something? Why would they allow you to grow and use an illegal plant (criminal that it's illegal, but hey), but not a legal plant?

That's bonkers.

I read the link but couldn't find the list of plants, where is it?

There at least 150 high dmt strength acacia trees within a 15 min walk from my house.

Leaves from these trees that grow across the road in the bushland blow onto my yard all the time and sometimes I rake them up.

And they think they can catch me grabbing a sample? LOL



Don't they realize they will only make people like us want to try it more than ever before?

reply to post by badw0lf

This is not good.
I cant even reply. Im am Speechless on this site yet again.( lucky im talking with my fingers) I cant believe that the beauty of nature and the beauty of OUR OZ, is now illegal and more of it will be illegal. Whats next? Its kind of scary to think.
Ps. Im sorry your not allow some of natures beauty too.

reply to post by meathed


THIS MUST BE FIGHT WITH AS MUCH AND EQUAL FORCE THAT THE SATANIC GOVERNMENT IS TRYING TO TAKE AWAY EVERYTHING FROM US!!!
Don't stay/wait for something to happen!
DO IT YOURSELF!!!

Stupidest and scariest legislation I've ever heard of -- trying to make much of mother nature's bounty illegal. Utter nonsense.

So what is behind this? Obviously it is not crime because '___' is not being abused. Is it the potential in these plants that drug companies are trying to protect for themselves? I makes some sense to think Big Pharma might like this kind of repressive and intrusive legislation to protect something they want to exploit for financial gain somewhere down the road.

I just can't picture Australians, those free thinking, free speaking free spirits allowing themselves to be smothered in this way by a Nanny style government. Something else must be up.

reply to post by moonpie86


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reply to post by wayno


Something else IS up, but what?
My only thought is that the government wants to slowly clear the land for mineral sales to big business in the future. But how far in the future?
No flora or fauna no complaints.
Who knows?
Its Not good though.

May as well throw this in here too:


Ok so before we jump up and down making a mountain out of a mole hill let's step back and look at this without the conspiracy hat on.

This proposal is at the public consultation phase, nothing has passed legislation yet and if it does, well I will be at the front line protesting as loud as anybody else.

Being a landscaper this could ruin my business.

Just a note too, it' not known if the Acacia pycnantha (Australia's floral emblem) has any psychoactive properties or not, which is similar to a lot of the proposed plants so far as I can tell.

For example, we're talking 0.2% '___' in the leaves, how much of that would you need to make any kind of usable drug?

Then there is the fact that this proposed legislation is meant to target drug dealers.

Look out large wholesale nurseries!

reply to post by Mythkiller


I hope you dont mind , but i interrupted another thread i was on with a few Aussies in it, and told them about this thread, they had no idea and are interested too.
They boys helped me out and Now there is a link to this thread from that one and also a link to the other site for the story, the plant list and the Email petition.
I hope its ok.

Originally posted by Cecilofs

Originally posted by badw0lfI used to be able to purchase Baby Hawaiian Woodrose seeds but they are now restricted. No cactii, no plats of any value.

Completely agree with everything else you said, but I know someone who recently enquired (not sure which authorities) about importing some cacti from over East and they said it was all clear. AFAIK he got his order with no problems, so they will be a nice addition to his garden.

Hmm, interesting, every time I've tried the regulations - at least within Aus - were too strict that no one would do it.

I do have a nice collection of trichocereus pachanoi tho, but from Ebay and it managed to bypass Aqis..

Actually, come to think of it, I was able to get some trichocereus peruvianus in, you may be right - but they were not viable and died... I think you're right.

Originally posted by spikey
You're allowed to grow a Cannabis plant, but not a tobacco plant?!

Is smoking tobacco illegal in OZ or something? Why would they allow you to grow and use an illegal plant (criminal that it's illegal, but hey), but not a legal plant?

That's bonkers.

edit on 28/2/2011 by spikey because: (no reason given)

Eh? we can't. It's illegal.

We can neither grow cannabis or tobacco.

??

reply to post by Chadwickus


May i ask.
As you being a landscaper how long ago where you informed of said proposals?
And if the drug content is so little, Why try to ban?
Does the drug aspect REALLY make sense to you?
I hope its ok a few questions, Im just curious.
Ps, If this said "Public consult" happens and gets past this stage, I"ll be on the frontline with you, just after I've gone and stashed my natives.

It's no surprise that TPTB are scared of '___'... There has been a huge increase in the popularity of Ayahuasca ceremonies in Australia (and worldwide) recently. It's the most potent hallucinagen known to man, is 100% natural and is relatively easy to make.

A person who has experienced the inter-dimensional nature of our existence is a person who can no longer be easily controlled and manipulated...

reply to post by meathed

As you being a landscaper how long ago where you informed of said proposals?

This is the first I have heard of it actually.

And if the drug content is so little, Why try to ban?

Well there are some plants where the drug content is quite high, certain species of fungi for instance.

Does the drug aspect REALLY make sense to you?

Not at all, but having said that, what's proposed at the moment is very broad, there's no specifics on allowable percentages or quantities.

For example, cannabis has specific amounts that are deemed acceptable, get caught with more than these amounts, you're breaking the law.

Only two of the proposed plants have any sort of numbers placed on them at the moment, so there is no decision if these plants will even be banned...at least that's how I see it anyway.

Like I said, this is merely a proposal, you start it broad and then it gets fine tuned.

Let's hope the big wigs of the horticultural industry rattle some cages.