King Solomon's Temple

I also agree that before people start looking for the Ark we must determine weather or not it actually existed.

I believe the bible is kind of a summary of ancient history. Not to be taken literally.

And if the Ark does exist it has been one of the most sought after religious relics for most of history, someone found it probably took anything of value from it. More than likely it has been destroyed or lost forever. It was made of wood mind you, and wood does not last forever.


Also as someone stated before, just because people believe in something doesnt mean it is the truth and it actually happened how they believe it did.

There is no proof in believing.

Goodluck finding this temple anywhere in Judea. Goodluck finding any statues of king Solomon. You might have better luck looking for it in Egypt specifically around Tanis.

reply to post by Skyfloating


nah, they can just make a screenplay of it, and wallah, plausible deniability.
i'm working on the idea that the shafts, called star shafts or air shafts, are power conduits.
i don't think the pyramid itself, did anything, other than sit there,
but the shafts, and the kings chamber, really have my interest atm.

Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by WalterRatlos

Well researched thread I think, but I would like to ask: is the historicity of King Solomon proven beyond reasonable doubt or would one have to resort to holy scripture for proof?

King Solomon is only mentioned in ancient scripture. However, because more then one source mentions Solomon, his existence is more likely than mythical. But even if he were only mythical, that myth has had very real life consequences throughout history!

That's what I thought. I am still confused by your answer though: when you say ancient scripture that would include all sorts of scripture, right? Not just the OT part of the Holy Bible? And the sources you mention they are also not just OT prophets or scribes or just different OT books? See, I probably misunderstanding you, but you see, it's fair to say, IMHO, that Hercules (or Herakles), for example, is mentioned in different sources of ancient Greek scripture, but nobody would dream of thinking of him in other terms than a mythological figure. How is the case for Solomon being a real king of the Hebrew different?

Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by WalterRatlos
[i I can't remember any archaeologist to have announced

Its almost impossible to perform excavations in the entire area..

Ok, I probably did not express myself well enough, I was not thinking about excavations at the Temple Mount so much, as of excavations all over Israel, I mean there would be something there, an old coin with his head, an inscription somewhere, something ...

reply to post by WalterRatlos


perhaps because it was just telling history and laying out the family tree?
this might be of interest to you

Originally posted by WalterRatlos

That's what I thought. I am still confused by your answer though: when you say ancient scripture that would include all sorts of scripture, right? Not just the OT part of the Holy Bible? And the sources you mention they are also not just OT prophets or scribes or just different OT books? See, I probably misunderstanding you, but you see, it's fair to say, IMHO, that Hercules (or Herakles), for example, is mentioned in different sources of ancient Greek scripture, but nobody would dream of thinking of him in other terms than a mythological figure. How is the case for Solomon being a real king of the Hebrew different?

Solomon is also mentioned in the Quran.He may be mentioned in other texts but under other names. I havent looked deep enough to determine that. If only life had enough time to master all subjects. Thats why I rely on other people (such as the posters here) to provide other snippets and aspects.

reply to post by Skyfloating


I would think so. How are we ever going to know if they dont come to an agreement of excavation?
Also, even if it happend, they would never tell me what's underneath the temple, if there is anything underneath that is, or if there was anything there to begin with anyway.

Originally posted by EternalChef
I also agree that before people start looking for the Ark we must determine weather or not it actually existed.

With that you are saying we should not look for the Ark.

I have not seen anyone yet mention the "Testament of Solomon" which is an ancient document not included in the Bible as we know it today. In the book God sends an Angel to deliver a ring to Solomon inscribed with God's true name. With the ring King Solomon has full control over any spiritual entity and uses those entities to help him build the temple as well as tell King Solomon the underground location for various rare and precious minerals and gems. King Solomon also learns ancient knowledge and hidden secrets from the spiritual entities he summons.

The Testament of Solomon

Good ol Solomon practiced religious tolerance:

When the Temple is completed, Solomon inaugurates it with prayer and sacrifice, and even invites non­Jews to come and pray there. He urges God to pay particular heed to their prayers: "Thus all the peoples of the earth will know Your name and revere You, as does Your people Israel; and they will recognize that Your name is attached to this House that I have built" (I Kings 8:43).

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Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by EternalChef
I also agree that before people start looking for the Ark we must determine weather or not it actually existed.

With that you are saying we should not look for the Ark.

It is most certain that it existed as in most religions, old relics are very important to a religion. Well to the Hebrew it would of course be the stone slabs with the 10 commandments. I am pretty confident that it existed and was built according to specifications and had the purpose described in the Pentateuch (the first 5 books of Christian and Hebrew Holy Scripture. There is also a theory that it might have been a huge battery and that would perfectly explain why some poor Hebrew man was struck dead from a lightning bolt when he reached to save the Ark which was slipping towards the ground. It is certainly a viable theory.

Well, as to it's fate, everything is equally possible, but not each option is equably probable. If it fell into enemy hands or grave robbers the golden lining would have been removed and smelted and wood just does not last that long, because in times of need you burned it to get warm. My favorite conspiracy theory about it's fate is still on Oak Island, hidden there by the Knights Templars who found it during the crusades, busy excavating all over Israel. In short the theory goes that they initially shipped it back to their base in France and then when the Pope declared them heretics and the King of France executed them, because he was deep in debt with them, the few survivors of this slaughter fled to Scotland and from there it is said that they sailed across the Atlantic Ocean to Oak Island. There they constructed this weird booby trapped "money pit" and buried the Ark there.

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Good ol Solomon practiced religious tolerance:

When the Temple is completed, Solomon inaugurates it with prayer and sacrifice, and even invites non­Jews to come and pray there. He urges God to pay particular heed to their prayers: "Thus all the peoples of the earth will know Your name and revere You, as does Your people Israel; and they will recognize that Your name is attached to this House that I have built" (I Kings 8:43).

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That's not the amazing part, the amazing part was that apparently the otherwise jelaous and bloodthirsty Jahwe or Jehovah or El or I am who I am did not mind at all. You know, when David sinned and the result was a baby born from sin this same OT God killed the baby to teach David a lesson. Nothing bad ever happened to Solomon not only for tolerating other religions, but also for practicing them. I believe it is mentioned that one of his foreign wives, maybe even the Queen of Shiba (or Shiva?), made him worship with her in her temple and to the Gods of her religion. I just love Hebrew mythology, but that's just because I love mythologies in general.

reply to post by EssenceOfSilence

I think your absolutely right about the oak island money pit. Someone went to an awful lot of trouble to hide whatever is lurking in the bottom of it! And also, They seem to find a little radiation there too.

And as a side note: Why do the Religious folks on here get so nasty in there comments about views and ideas that don't agree with there own? I believe that there probably is an ark, and it's some tech we don't understand. It's not magic. But I can be open minded enough to accept that there could be a "GOD of Abraham" and the Whole Bible is true word for word.(omg we would all be screwed!!)

There are some strange things going on around the whole King Solomon story. We probably won't truly understand until we die.

Originally posted by MrEuphoric1
reply to post by EssenceOfSilence

 

I think your absolutely right about the oak island money pit. Someone went to an awful lot of trouble to hide whatever is lurking in the bottom of it! And also, They seem to find a little radiation there too.

Exactly, the only question is who and what is down there ... another very possible and probable scenario would be some pirate captain buried his treasure there and then build the elaborate booby trap system to protect it. My money is on Oak Island and the Knights Templar, too, that is if the Ark existed, and I believe it did, and is still somewhere hidden today, this place indeed looks like someone did go through an awful lot of trouble to hide something very important.

Originally posted by MrEuphoric1
And as a side note: Why do the Religious folks on here get so nasty in there comments about views and ideas that don't agree with there own? I believe that there probably is an ark, and it's some tech we don't understand. It's not magic. But I can be open minded enough to accept that there could be a "GOD of Abraham" and the Whole Bible is true word for word.(omg we would all be screwed!!)

Because it is in the nature of the beast so to speak, most are zealots, there are quite some few fanatic believers. Well, yeah, probably if the Bible is true in it's description a battery, think Bagdat battery just way much biger.

Originally posted by MrEuphoric1
There are some strange things going on around the whole King Solomon story. We probably won't truly understand until we die.

Yes, amazing story. Like he was the beloved of Jahweh or Jehovah or I am who I am, because when the "good Lord" put him to the test by asking him what he would like as gift, Solomon opted for wisdom to govern his people wisely. And his wish was granted and he was allowed to build the first Tempel Solomon's Temple; something, his father, David, was denied, because he had sinned too much and too often. Also, the fact that he was not in line of succession and he practically usurped power, guided wisely by his mother and having procured the blessing of his father, the dying King David. Finally, he is also rumored to be the auther of Lamentations (Ecclesiastes) and Chants of Chants (greek: Άσμα ασμάτων; German: Das Hohelied der Liebe) and maybe many of the proverbs.

reply to post by WalterRatlos


once you read it in the original hebrew (not the hebew into english back into hebrew, or hebrew into latin back into hebrew) then you can make claims about what it says/means with convincing accuracy i'd be leery, if i was you, believing the translated versions.

Originally posted by jackflap
reply to post by Skyfloating

 

The Ark of the Covenant, which contained the Stone Tablets with Gods Ten Commandments, a jar of "manna" and a miraculous and powerful device called Aarons Rod was placed in a special inner room of the Temple called "The Holy of Holies".

I just find it mind boggling that something of such significance and importance could be lost or hidden away. If it is proof of God then why not keep it in front of the whole world? If it is of God, He will not allow any shenanigans to go on over the presence of it. It would just be a reminder for everyone. God's ark, we need to hide it! Or did it go like, God's ark, where in the world did we leave that?

Something of that magnitude should not have been lost or hidden away in my opinion. Which leads me to the Temple Mount. Are we to believe that God has a piece of real estate here on earth that needs guarding? The Jews and Christian's claim it as their God's. The Muslim's claim it as their God's. Seeing as how these three Abrahamic faiths all come from the same place, I find it odd that there is such division. God wouldn't have created that division and caused everyone to want to kill one another over Him.

Just some strange things I've pondered.

edit on 28-2-2011 by jackflap because: Grammar.

Probably He didn't intend the division. The 3 all started from 1, was split into 2 post Jesus, then split again 500-600 years later from the ones who didn't believe the Messiah had come but also decided to follow the teachings of a new prophet.

From a Christian stand-point, 1 group missed the boat, then the other group got on a totally new boat of their own, borrowing tid-bits of the original yet bending to suit their needs.

reply to post by primus2012


well we don't personally know who is going to be on the boat. i would also encourage you to read the bible in its original hebrew.

but this is what you DON'T want to do:

don't take a strong's concordance and look up english words in an attempt to see the hebrew translation of them till you know if the english word was translated from a hebrew word in the text itself, to begin with. because some of those english words were not in the original hebrew of the old testament. greek new testament is a different story. jury still out on that one.

if you want to know how to accomplish this, go to the following link. read the verses and note that some words have numbers after them. those words were in the original hebrew. words without a number after them were not in the original hebrew.
for example:

Genesis 1:27 So God 430 created 1254 man 120 in his [own] image 6754, in the image 6754 of God 430 created 1254 he him; male 2145 and female 5347 created 1254 he them.

That verse originally said, "God created man image, image God created, male female created"

the words :"in his own", "he him" and "he them" were not in the original hebrew. Furthermore, if you click the numbers after the words, they take you to the original hebrew word for that translated english word. In this verse, the word "God" was "Elohim" (a plural word) and the word "man" was "adam"

So the verse would've more precisely read, "Elohim created 'adam image, image Elohim created, male female created."

www.blueletterbible.org.../27

if you think about that for a bit, you'll start to see why original hebrew words into english is much better than english translation because of the extraneous words added, that create a slant that doesn't appear to have been in the original text.

for example, adam was created male and female. notice eve's not mentioned, only adam. that's because eve is an entirely different creation (a woman capable of procreating). the original adam was an entire race of males and females, all created in the image of Elohim (plural word!!). which means, there were females created in the image of Elohim not from 'adam's rib, before there was a female created from 'adam's rib.

Originally posted by WalterRatlos
I believe it is mentioned that one of his foreign wives, maybe even the Queen of Shiba (or Shiva?), made him worship with her in her temple and to the Gods of her religion. I just love Hebrew mythology, but that's just because I love mythologies in general

Its an interesting consideration that the Queen of Sheba may have been Hindu.

Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by prevenge

The Temple of Solomon is a symbolic representation of the human body.
The holiest of holies is the cranium, and the Ark of the Covenant is the activated cranium when man becomnes god-man.

I posted a link earlier to that theory. What makes you present it as a fact?

no this was my opinion where I personally think it is a fact based on alot of research I've done following Masonic Gnostic interpretations through Kaballistic language of branches.

to present it as a completely absolute fact would mean that we would need some god-men here.. and show line for line.. the specific metaphoric language used that actually means something completely different.. illustrating the body, biochemistry, and overall physiology to be what the temple and ark are meant to symbolize...

right now we can only go off conjecture.. interpretation.. to derive it as an absolute fact we would need to investigate a god-man's physiology compare it to a normal man's .. and perform the scientific method on it and produce some proofs.

this (as far as i know) is not achievable as of yet.... unless you know any god-men.

perhaps after dec 21, 2012 we will see some, and some more direct illumination can be shed on this subject for it to become absolute fact and common understanding.


some links for you concerning the general idea....
www.gardenof-eden.com...
The Temple and the Word (read chapter 5 specifically)
The Body Temple - Google Books

I wish you come to find that a GREAT many things that are presented in Abrahamic religions.. are indeed completely metaphoric.... parables.. symbolic usage of wording - holding different layers of meaning...

some layers are for the layman...
some layers are for the adept...

...those with eyes will see

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reply to post by downunderET

What a lot of mumbo jumbo' The Bible is the only true record of the events adulterated by this 'masonic'? thread
the writer has no clue as witness all the conjecture
Hebrew is God's language ie
in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the Word was God
Christ said He was the aleph and the taw [ first and last hebrew letters], or as the greeks say- the alpha and omega
read your Bible folks - all else is shifting sands