'Anonymous' targets the brothers Koch, claiming attempts 'to usurp American Democracy'

reply to post by thegoods724


yup and throw in high treason, which this is after a fashion

after the Koch bros are publicly fried in the chair this crap may stop

Wonder if they'll hack good old George? Seems Mr. Soros might be more interesting and far more dangerous. But I guess if they have a left leaning only agenda, well never know.

I fully support the boycott of any and all products made by the koch brothers but I seriously doubt that this will be enough to bring them down. Just the same, I thought I'd provide a list of sites supporting a boycott of Koch Industry products. If you visit these sites you will see that there are quite a few products that we can choose to leave on the shelf.

www.democraticunderground.com...
silencedmajority.blogs.com...
zwingliusredivivus.wordpress.com...
www.greenfudge.org...

Just noticed while searching for Koch boycott product list, one of the links within a boycott site had been shut down and then I stumbled on this story suggesting that Koch boycott sites are being targeted; www.dailykos.com...

Look out ATS, the Empire, I mean the "Koch Brothers Strike Back." All I can say is exposure is a lovely thing, Thanks ANON.

They have a lot of web sites out there.

bgp.he.net...

reply to post by DimensionalDetective

Now I know not too many folks are fans of anonymous round these parts, but I do enjoy them being a thorn in the side of many of these corporate greed mongers.

Except that's not what they are doing in this case. ANON is merely being a shill for the teachers union in this instance. They are attempting to sway public support to the unions by dropping the word 'corp' into the battle, when the real situation is, poor Joe and Sally Taxpayer are being raped by the unions, who don't want to lay out a dime for their own retirement or medical plans.

Now I see it. Just another left-wing sales/campaign ad.

reply to post by mishigas


Got any proof that anonymous only attacks right wing politicians?

Have you done any research at all, or are you here just to toot the horn for the corporate elites?

reply to post by boondock-saint


Let's see Soros has done more political manuevering and shady deals with politicians during the 2008 election alone than the Koch brothers have in the last 10 years. I've never seen anon go after a NWO type or a left wing type.

reply to post by poet1b

Got any proof that anonymous only attacks right wing politicians?

Have you done any research at all, or are you here just to toot the horn for the corporate elites?

I know enough about the Wisconsin case to smell when someone is selling manure. If you want to jump on the ANON bandwagon just because someone mentioned 'corporate', go right ahead. Just wiggle in there among the rest of the sheep.

Do you feel threatened in some way, just because someone suggested that ANON might be telling a fib or two here? Worried that you backed a run-of-the-mill partisan shill?

I've been to enough of these rodeos to realize that there ain't no Rocky & Bullwinkle vs Boris and Natasha in politics. Time to see the world for what it is, bucko!

This is the first I have heard about something that would sell the state power supply like that.

That deserves a follow up, looks like right, left, or middle wouldn't like THAT.

Apparently anonymous, doesn't have the ability to read the bill that they are trashing. It doesn't say "Koch Industries" specifically anywhere. That, along with the whole Koch controlling Walker thing has been debunked on ATS many times already, people just refuse admit it and continue on as if those facts where never revealed.
I support some of what anonymous does, but not this time with the fallacies they have accepted according to the op article.

Some people will defend corporate activities no matter how despicable.

Here is a trade, if unions are prevented from bargaining, then corporations should have their legal person status eliminated, and in order to do business in a state, must name the partners who will be held responsible as the legal owners of the business.

Figures the corporate shills could not provide any evidence to back up their claims, but produce their typical propaganda hogwash.

reply to post by DimensionalDetective

I also think their suggestion of boycotting all of Koch industry products and companies is a wise policy. Hurt them in the only place they care about-their pocketbooks. Couple of power-mongering and insatiably greedy asshats.

I agree - but the Koch brothers have their fingers in a lot of pies. Hard to ID and boycott. ...Covered some of their tentacles in the thread New Conservative Entertainment Network "RightNetwork" Launches. ...Good luck.

Reply to post by PplVSNWO

I agree with this.

I would like to add that we do not live ina democracy, as Anon says. We live in a Democratic Republic.


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Well I do agree with most of the above posts, I just want to throw in my two cents. I think some of this corruption starts in the first place because elitist companies these days have almost absolutely zero accountability to anybody or anything. So if we want anything changed then we must also fight for much better regulation of companies and corporations therefore preventing more and more elitists getting their slimy fingers in affairs such as the WI bill.

reply to post by boondock-saint


Poor misguided puppet...
The tea Baggers and the repugnicans ARE the New World Order....the bad guys...The Democrats are the good guys....I'm sad for you that you picked the wrong side.

reply to post by mishigas


Joe and Sally Taxpayer are NOT being raped by the unions.

You are buying that tired old right-wing anti-union propaganda.

While neither party seems to give 2 spades about the unions, only the right-wingers are actively working to destroy them.

reply to post by Lemon.Fresh


Who cares what we live in as long as we make it work?

I fail to see what good this clarification will do in the long run.

What anonymous is doing is going to have little effect. You think the Koch brothers are sitting at their computers? Those type of people don't do any work and are certainly wealthy enough to withstand a few days of their site going down!

Until the way campaign financing is changed, you will see more and more of favorable contracts given to wealthy donors. There's also the indirect contributions - like trips to California - jobs after the election - or favorable bills.

Something drastic has to happen like funding elections out of a central pool and strict regulations on employment after the election.

And yes, this type of stuff happens with the left as well as the right. Look at the current mayoral election here in Chicago. Money and fame bought him the election.

But as I said before the right has more money so they will always be at the advantage.

reply to post by The Sword

Joe and Sally Taxpayer are NOT being raped by the unions.

You are buying that tired old right-wing anti-union propaganda.

While neither party seems to give 2 spades about the unions, only the right-wingers are actively working to destroy them.

Really? Well since you typed the word NOT in all caps, you must be right! You must know some things the rest of us don't know. Like:

Who pays the teachers' salaries?

What is the nationwide median percentage paid by public employees toward their pensions?

How much do the WI teachers contribute toward their pensions?

How much are they being asked to contribute?

How much are they willing to contribute?

Answers: The taxpayer, 6%, ZERO, 5,8%, ZERO

Now let's look at their healthcare plans:

It turns out that collective bargaining is one of the ways that the Teacher's Union is stealing from the taxpayers of Wisconsin. A union-mandated high-cost health plan that is owned by the union is milking the taxpayers by charging premiums that far exceed market norms, and are doing so with impunity or apparent recourse.

From the report by the folks at the Education Act Group Foundation and MacIver Institute:

Here are a few simple, startling facts for anyone concerned about the financial condition of Wisconsin public schools.

ere are a few simple, startling facts for anyone concerned about the financial condition of Wisconsin public schools.

WEA Trust, an insurance company established and closely associated with the Wisconsin Education Association Council (WEAC), siphons millions of crucial dollars from K-12 schools and their students every year.

WEA Trust has grown very fat on public school dollars, with a net worth of $316 million and a team of 12 administrators all receiving compensation packages worth six figures per year.

Sadly, this insurance swindle is endorsed by state law. We at Education Action Group believe it's time for the citizens of Wisconsin to demand that their school boards be allowed to freely shop for less expensive employee health insurance.

Link

The fat little piggies want society to pay for them.

But you must be right. After all, you supplied facts and data and said NOT so forcefully, eh?

reply to post by mishigas


First point, even if you don't like firefighters, school teachers and the police getting paid well and organizing, you don't complete your goal by paying off politicians- either directly or indirectly.

Second, guess what, Sally Taxpayer is very likely a teacher or firefighter! Or as you like to call them fat little piggies (pretty degrading terms for firefighters and school teachers).

Funny you don't think BILLIONAIRES LIKE THE KOCH BROTHERS ARE FAT PIGGIES? Do they risk their lives every day like firefighters? Do they teach little kids?

And even if they aren't - let's say Sally works in accounting. If Mr. Koch can't hire an accountant because they all work for the State, then he is going to match wages.

Now let me guess, you will say this will drive business out - which might be true. But if your only solution is to lower wages so we can compete with the standard of living of India or China - that's a pretty poor solution in my book.

I would rather focus on keeping the AVERAGE standard of living higher by other means.