Is the Internet Being Used (right now) to Start World War III?

reply to post by Phenomium


I always found that verse to be incredibly suggestive of a sub-oceanic race on Earth, equal in cosmic status to humanity... Otherwise, why would God be warning them? Anyways, I think we're at risk of going off topic, but I just wanted to highlight the interesting quirk of that passage from Revelations...

The Dogon tribe's "Nommo", anyone?

Forgive me if this has been mentioned...I have not read all pages on this thread, ( some of us work! ) but the OP'er had posted this...

McLuhan foresaw what he described as a “Global Village” coming about as the world’s communications evolved putting everyone in touch with everyone else, and a final World War as the people themselves for the first time could communicate directly with one another.

Could that not also work in reverse? As I see it, there is a wonderful communication happening, an opening of global eyes to what COULD be and for me, the recent action in the Middle East and parts of Africa where the populace are clamouring for democracy could actually produce better tolerance of all things than we have seen for many years.

there are things in play that we are barely aware of here folks. the internet is a fantastic way to spread viruses. and there is no more a prevalent virus than an idea. once and idea is rooted in your mind its very hard to get it out. what an awesome time to be alive. so many different possible outcomes. the variety is infinite.

Hi everyone, this is a great thread and I enjoyed reading the posts. I believe that the controlling elite definitely do use the Internet in their warfare. How many times have we encountered someone suggesting that another one is a paid poster. We know that they want a killswitch in the US now, but decry the use of it in places like Egypt and Tunisia. I find that so curious. Google? Well just a short few years ago I remember they got in hot water with China and there was that huge breuhaha about turning over data about dissidents there and there was even a Congressional hearing about it and the Intl implications. I remember reading posts about the Great Firewall of China. These days, I read articles about how Google was spying on China. I wonder which it really was, spying on China for US or spying on Chinese people for the Chinese govt. Or a little of both maybe. And Bill Gates was over in China giving them the source code for Microsoft. Did Gates sell his soul to the devil when the govt brought suit against his corp? Or is he just naturally a traitorous Intl globetrotter?
I had high hopes when the Tunisian protests broke out. But I found an obscure article pretty early on discussing the trade unions involvement there. I said to some friends that I suspected there was some Socialist activity involved. Then I put up an #Egypt hashtag in my twitter, and shortly after El Baradei resurfaced, there was suddenly a bunch of anti American rhetoric, and all the Socialists and communists came out of the woodwork. I began to feel it was really a concerted effort or at least an effort to use the movement to stir up support for Intl Socialism. Then the Union protests in Wi happened. Suddenly there's all this solidarity going on and reports of Egyptians ordering pizza for the unions in Wi. Sounds really neat huh? Only it's the World Socialists gearing up and stirring protests.
I'm sorry to say, I don't think it bodes well for freedom loving peoples of the world. Now POTUS is giving tough talk to Qaddafi and theres rumors of wars. Oh wait, where have I heard that before? Like others have said on this thread, the Elite want their NWO and things like this always look to me like it's been engineered. After all, the Elite sit around in their secret Bilderberg meetings and discuss this stuff. They wanted a global tax. Well who is sporting a global tax now? Why, its none other than the AFL-CIO boss Trumka. And guess what? He's bragging about how his group is involved in Egypt. Who else was in Egypt recently? Why Bill Ayers, Code Pink.
So, are they gearing up for a war with ships and tanks and guns? Or is it just a takeover of Intl Socialists? Or both? Amd they've frozen Libyan assets in the name of prosecuting human rights violators. I don't believe it for one second. I think they will use that money in their global power grab.
Oh btw, the name they are giving that global tax? Its being called the Global Financial Transaction tax. Sound familiar?
Anyway, they always seem a step ahead, but we must educate ourselves.
I have one last contribution I wanted to make toward this thread, and it relates to unity and the Internet. So here it is and please enjoy.

www.heartcom.org...
www.heartcom.org...

Namaste

S n F for the OP. Keep the gd worksss going!

Strange Image regarding "INTERNET prophecy" below:



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reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler



I guess people don´t really care about living on a democracy or a dictatorship or whatever political system in place. People care about fundamental liberties and most of all having a decent life with work, food, some free time, some free money.

If a dictatorship of any kind can provide these needs I think people won´t really care about how to categorize the kind of regime they live in.

reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL

See you can clearly see the information war.

The information war has been around since JP Morgan bought out the most influential Newspapers in 1917.

Actually it started well before that. For instance:

Warburg’s work as "the education of the country" and "to break down prejudices".

Much of the five million dollars of the bankers slush fund was spent under the auspices of the National Citizens’ League, which was made up of college professors. The two most tireless propagandists for the Aldrich Plan were Professor O.M. Sprague of Harvard, and J. Laurence Laughlin of the University of Chicago.

Congressman Charles A. Lindbergh, Sr., notes:

"J. Laurence Laughlin, Chairman of the Executive Committee of the National Citizens’ League since its organization, has returned to his position as professor of political economics in the University of Chicago. In June, 1911, Professor Laughlin was given a year’s leave from the university, that he might give all of his time to the campaign of education undertaken by the League . . . He has worked indefatigably, and it is largely due to his efforts and his persistence that the campaign enters the final stage with flattering prospects of a successful outcome . . . The reader knows that the University of Chicago is an institution endowed by John D. Rockefeller, with nearly fifty million dollars."12

In his biography of Nelson Aldrich, Stephenson reveals that the Citizens’ League was also a Jekyll Island product.....

The men whom President Woodrow Wilson chose to make up the first Federal Reserve Board of Governors were men drawn from the banking group.... The other members were Adolph C. Miller, economist from Rockefeller’s University of Chicago and Morgan’s Harvard University.....

www.apfn.org...

...They [the bankers] gave large amounts of money to some of the better known universities in America; they created newly formed departments of economics with that money; they hand picked their own people to be the professors to head up those departments and then those professors with all of their academic credentials gave speeches and wrote scholarly essays extolling the virtues of the Federal Reserve System.... www.bigeye.com...

Here is one of those actual papers, written in 1913 by a professor of Politicial Economy from The University of Chicago no less. "elasticity of credit and currency" (pg 70)

Now companies like Monsanto have joined the game by giving money to Universities and then snap up the patentable ideas, never mind that tuitions, alumni donations and tax payer money also PAID for the education of these students and their teachers salaries and buildings.

Washington University in St. Louis and Monsanto Co., Creve Coeur, Mo., have been issued patent 6,608,241 by the United States Patent Office. The patent is for a technique that protects crops from devastating viral diseases

Monsanto Co. agreed to pay the University of California more than $100 million to settle the school's claim that the biotechnology company infringed on a patent related to a hormone that makes cows produce more milk.

The Iowa State University Research Foundation are suing Monsanto Company for patent infringement after claiming that the St. Louis corporation developed and began their soybean program based on a low-acid bean invented at the university.

Dear Galadofwar, you sort of made an implication that war is simply embedded in society. Well, in a way perhaps, as it seems there have been wars in all of known history.
The book of Enoch tells us that the angels who fell to earth and cohabitated with the daughters of men actually taught mankind the art of war. I find that quite interesting. I realize that many here do not take the bible seriously, but whether one sees it as a literal thing, or as an allegory, will there be an end to all the wars finally and a return to the original intent and purity of the Garden of Eden? Or further descent into more wars and more brutal inhumanity? Do we have a choice? I think individually we all make our own choice.

Good post Proto as always ...S&F 2 articles I want to put into this thread that may help us think about these things ............snip..It's not a big surprise that the U.S. military also wants to use social media to its benefit. Last year, Public Intelligence published the U.S. Air Force social media guide which gave 10 tips for social media such as, "The enemy is engaged in this battlespace and you must engage there as well." Number three was "DON'T LIE. Credibility is critical, without it, no one cares what you have to say...it's also punishable by the UCMJ to give a false statement." The Air Force used the chart below to show how social media influences public opinion ........The 6th Contracting Squadron at MacDill Air Force Base sought the development of Persona Management Software which could be used for creating and managing fake profiles on social media sites to distort the truth and make it appear as if there was a generally accepted agreement on controversial issues. "Personas must be able to appear to originate in nearly any part of the world and can interact through conventional online services and social media platforms." What happened to don't lie and the Uniform Code of Military Justice? www.informationclearinghouse.info...

February 27, 2011 "IPS" -- WASHINGTON - In a distinct echo of the tactics they pursued to encourage U.S. intervention in the Balkans and Iraq, a familiar clutch of neo-conservatives appealed Friday for the United States and NATO to "immediately" prepare military action to help bring down the regime of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi and end the violence that is believed to have killed well over a thousand people in the past week.

The appeal, which came in the form of a letter signed by 40 policy analysts, including more than a dozen former senior officials who served under President George W. Bush, was organized and released by the Foreign Policy Initiative (FPI), a two-year-old neo-conservative group that is widely seen as the successor to the more-famous – or infamous – Project for the New American Century (PNAC). www.informationclearinghouse.info... It seems to me by hook or by crook they want to change things ....I suspect this might be headed in the direction to reconstruct what we call National sovernity ....peace

Originally posted by derfred33
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

I guess people don´t really care about living on a democracy or a dictatorship or whatever political system in place. People care about fundamental liberties and most of all having a decent life with work, food, some free time, some free money.

If a dictatorship of any kind can provide these needs I think people won´t really care about how to categorize the kind of regime they live in.

I think this is very true and honestly I don't think there is hardly a political system in the world that functions as promises.

The labels are for the most part a divide and conquer fear mechanism.

For instance I will often point out the failings of the U.S. in regards to the heavy taxation and government borrowing by pointing to American Indian Tribes who manage there tribal lands and resources in some cases so well the tribal members are paid a large and equal dividend of the tribal enterprises just for being a member of the tribe. In some tribes these dividends are so large it puts them well into the upper half of the middle class economic bracket. There is no taxation whatsoever, the tribe pays them just for being born and living on the land.

"Careful proto that sounds like socialism or communism"

Because you know who would want a 100,000.00 a year just for living if it meant being called a communist?

Meanwhile in the U.S. most people believe it's really a democracy when in fact it's a representative republic.

In a true democracy everyone gets to have their voice heard on every issue, here in the U.S. 400 million people get to select about 550 members of congress and a 100 senators who then get to arbitrarily decide amongst themselves through a simple majority what the rest of us have to accept in the way of laws, taxation and spending.

That's not what the Greeks who invented democracy would call it, but the Romans who invented the representative republic that in fact ours is modelled off of would recognize it as that.

So it's all just word games.

The truth is we are told that these people are taking to the streets because they want 'democracy' yet we have discovered in many cases that they just want food, less corruption, etc., etc.

We don't even seem to want true democracy here in the United States, and our government certainly won't allow it.

Yet every war or revolt or coup we are asked to support through taxes or volunteer soldiers throughout the world, is sold to us as people wanting democracy.

It's all pretty much just word games.

Thanks for posting.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Dear Galadofwar, you sort of made an implication that war is simply embedded in society. Well, in a way perhaps, as it seems there have been wars in all of known history.
The book of Enoch tells us that the angels who fell to earth and cohabitated with the daughters of men actually taught mankind the art of war. I find that quite interesting. I realize that many here do not take the bible seriously, but whether one sees it as a literal thing, or as an allegory, will there be an end to all the wars finally and a return to the original intent and purity of the Garden of Eden? Or further descent into more wars and more brutal inhumanity? Do we have a choice? I think individually we all make our own choice.

I am one of those people who by no means am a religious person, but I very much agree we must all make our own choice.

Sometimes choices become rushed though. You might have met such a salesperson, buy now, it's the last one, you will never get another deal like this, it's a limited time offer etc.

People are all to often pressured into making a decision.

One of the places you most see peer pressure here on ATS is the threads that have to do with foreign wars.

Often too the nation of Israel.

There is almost always a hardcore dedicated group who will use every kind of entreaty, falsehood, and peer pressure and ad homenin attacks to try to get people to support the war and war like endeavors.

Many say that they are simply 'like minded' posters, I tend to think of them as organized forum gangs where they try to use the pressure of numbers and coordinating their arguments to make what I feel are bad ideas, appear to be good ideas.

The HB Gary Software I talked about in the opening piece and several others have posted more information on throughout creates an artificial forum gang. Dozens, hundreds of accounts controlled by just one person on one computer, pressuring people to make a decision.

In a case like these protests and rebellions the sense of urgency becomes overwhelming for many people. Events move to fast sometimes for people to really think it through, emotions run high, and people on both sides of the fence generally will do what ever they can to manipulate peoples emotions to get them to make a hasty choice.

Once in a herd or social or political group people stop making choices for the most part and start going along with the flow.

It's why so much effort is made to divide us into groups, where you must learn to 'think' like a good republican, or democrat, or christian and your only real choice is to accept being in the group and letting it make your choices for you.

People are robbed of both their individuality and unique identity along with most of their choices once this occurs.

Thanks for posting.

reply to post by jackflap


Jack, thank you for digging all that information out and putting it into a logical order.

I have seen this mental manipulation at work.

Barbara Kowalcyk Co-founder, director of food safety, Center For Foodborne Illness is a classic example of this manipulation process where much of the "WAR" was carried out on the internet.

Her son, Kevin died in 2001. Instead of going after the REAL cause of the problem, corruption in the USDA and FDA, she has been shepherded into joining ranks with those who killed her son.

In her own words:

President Obama made history Tuesday when he signed the FDA Food Safety Modernization Act into law. This historic event establishes the first major reform of food oversight at the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) since 1938...

This new law [Food is the first step moving us toward such a system, as described in a recent National Academy of Sciences report which I co-authored.

Specifically, the law will require FDA, as well as food processors and producers, to identify areas of risk so that preventive measures can be developed and implemented. It requires FDA to inspect the facilities under its jurisdiction more frequently (every 5-7 years instead of every 8-10 years), and has provisions to improve food trace-back systems and foodborne illness surveillance efforts.... www.huffingtonpost.com...

It is very obvious she is blinded by grief and never bothered to do her homework or denied the evidence that the government is there to protect the Corporations and not the consumers.

THE REAL STORY
(John Munsell is a real person, I have talked to him on the phone. )

One E. coli O157:H7 Outbreak I Think I could have Prevented: by a law firm speciallizing in Food Borne ill cases that Munsell contacted.

John Munsell & A Trip To The Woodshed With The USDA Humorous story detailing the Corruption in the government.

Senate Hearings
Testimony: Mr. Stan Painter, Chairman, National Joint Council of Food Inspection Locals:

Hearing where Stan Painter is called a LIAR by the government. (In a round about way of course)


Efforts of Food inspectors to bring problems with HACCP is ignored by USDA management
Apr 17, 2008 Testimony:Mr. Stan Painter, Chairman, National Joint Council of Food Inspection Locals: December 2004 Union president Stan Painter receive reports from union member that SRM regulations are not uniformly enforced. Painter writes to the Assistant FSIS Administrator for Field Operation about enforcement problem. USDA responses by placed Painter on disciplinary investigation status and contacts the USDA Office of Inspector General about filing criminal charges.

It (the recall of Hallmark/Westland Meat) highlights one of the problems that we have attempted to raise with the agency ever since 1996 when the Hazard Analysis and Critical Control Points (HACCP) inspection system was put in place. There seems to be too much reliance on an honor system for the industry to police itself. While the USDA investigation is still on going at Hallmark/Westland, a couple of facts have emerged that point to a system that can be gamed by those who want to break the law. It (HACCP) shifted the responsibility for food safety over to the companies .

December 2004 Freedom of Information Act requests
August 2005 Over 1000 non-compliance reports – weighing some 16 pounds -- turned over


Have the food safety Regs been changed since 1938? - YES!

...in 1993, the USDA decided to move to the HACCP system of inspection. Based on the idea that the plant operator knows the plant better than the USDA, the responsibility for designing an inspection system was turned over to each individual plant.

.... USDA “officials initially described HACCP to the industry in the mid-90’s, the agency made the following enticing promises:

* “Under HACCP, the agency will implement a ‘Hands Off’ role in meat inspection.
* “Under HACCP, the agency will no longer police the industry, but the industry will police itself.
* “Under HACCP, the agency will disband its previous command and control authority.
* “Under HACCP, each plant will write its own HACCP Plan, and the agency cannot tell plants what must be in their HACCP Plans.”

As a result, the plant operator was required to identify potential hazards and the critical points in the process where those hazards could come into play. The plan would then identify procedures that would be used to minimize the hazard risk at those control points. The plant would be responsible for the implementation of the plan.

As a result, the inspector was no longer responsible for what was happening on the plant floor: that was left to company personnel. The new role of the inspector was to make sure that plant personnel were carrying out their duties in a manner consistent with the HACCP plan. In many cases this amounted to making sure that all of the paper work was in the proper order.... www.agpolicy.org...

A Food and Drug Administration plan to close seven of 13 field laboratories has angered some lawmakers, government workers and safety advocates...

Note the significant drop in Government testing after the World Trade Organization's Agreement on Agriculture was ratified in 1995.

Summary of Tuberculosis Surveillance in California Cattle

Number of Cattle Tested........1995.....1996.....1997.......1998.......1999......2000.....2001
By Animal Health Officials...10,576...5,100 ....2,861 .....3,530.....1,425 ....1,967.....2,500
By Private Veterinarians ...15,921...17,100...19,930...18,189...22,863...19,930...19,587
Submissions at Slaughter..........39..........58 .........64...........39...........58..........64.........385
www.vetmed.ucdavis.edu...

TEXAS ANIMAL HEALTH COMMISSION 2009 – 2013 AGENCY STRATEGIC PLAN

The surveillance element or function is the most intensive of the six functions with respect to resources and personnel. Surveillance includes all activities designed and implemented to identify and locate any possible focus of infection or exposure to diseases of animal/poultry health significance in the livestock, poultry and exotic animal population. TAHC surveys animal populations for possible disease problems by collecting blood samples at livestock markets, on farms or ranches, and at slaughter plants.... Additionally, TAHC foreign animal disease diagnosticians investigate all reports of potential foreign animal diseases in order to achieve early diagnosis of a foreign animal disease, should it be introduced into the state.

USDA is moving toward supporting fewer labs nationwide, with the remaining labs serving as regional labs and supporting larger geographic areas..... If this funding is not maintained, this lab will be closed and the out-of-state samples will not be processed by remaining TAHC laboratories....

Analysis of the real problems with US food safety:

Peanut Quality - How did the Food Inspection Fail?:www.opednews.com...

See John Munsell's comment in this article: "Who needs Al-Qaeda when you have got E. coli?" : www.marlerblog.com...

Originally posted by randyvs
Snf OP Excellent thread. Now, the oddest thing about reading this for me was I've always seen the net with this potential. I've never looked at it as not having the potential to spark real needed change in the world. That's my addiction to this site. I love to get on here (*ATS) and rant against the elite and this rigidly cruel system that turns people to ground beef. This systematic hypnotically induced false freedom that enslaves us thru debt.
I know what I'm taking the trouble and time to write about here on these boards. Is going to be read by others.
Who may become awake because of one senrtence I've written. Even though I may never realise it. That's a huge potentiality. It's news to me that people think differently from this. How can they not see it? Yes, this is very odd to me.

This has got to be one of the best I've come across on ATS.

That's a great question and I contend many of us only see what we are told to look at. If the President says 'this' is happening well it must be 'this' that is happening. If CNN says 'this' is happening well it must be 'this' that is happening.

Conversation then tends to center around what the talking points that the talking heads are using.

Look at the pretty smile not the warts.

Look at the nice hair, not the wrinkly dirty clothes.

To a very large extent the human race is for the most part engaged in an endless quest to make the square peg fit into the round hole, all it takes is someone trusted to say it's round and not square, and to tell you it fits in there, and then people believe the 'intelligent' thing to do is to try to make it try.

When it comes to things like the HB Gary Software that makes Internet personas and sock puppets, well if you don't know it exists you certainly can't see it or talk about it.

Since so much of what exists and is happening is kept to us on the grounds of 'national security' we spend most of our time discussing and debating incomplete, and false pictures.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


Some very good points raised in your post; particularly about the involvement in Egypt, the global tax, and the engineering of conflict.

May I make a suggestion?

Put some paragraph spacing in your posts; otherwise the 'wall of text' can put people off from reading (what I know to be) your - often very valuable - contributions.

Star for you!

While I totally get the OP and agree to a large extent, I don't think the organic nature of these uprisings around the globe should be discounted or that it can be assumed that they are manufactured or manipulated.

Information is tool. It can certainly be used to build and to destroy. However, no type of information trumps first hand experience.

It seems to me that much of the unrest that we are seeing is due to a sequence of events. The exposure to new streams of information causes us to view the world through a more comprehensive and detailed lens. We absorb that information and then compare our own situation to that of others. The information filters through our family, friends and greater community who then also seek to learn more about the world and compare.

If everything was rosy, if there was an equity and people sensed that all was right with the world, that's where it would end, as simply an educational experience. But that's not what's happening.

People are reading and seeing the story of how other's around the world live, work, play, organize and think. The information is setting their hearts afire for something more or better or different. People only look outward when there is a fundamental discontent or a need for change. What we are seeing unfold around the world is real.

I tend to think the PTB would much prefer to keep us all compartmentalized, we would be so much easier to manage. It's too late though. No amount of misinformation, disinformation or censorship will stop this revolution of the mind and human potential.

It may indeed be WWIII but I tend to think it is we who are waging it against the PTB - or at least that's how they likely characterize it among themselves. It will absolutely not be won with bullets as that provides them with the power and advantage. Victory will only come with a steadfast commitment to truth, peace and humanity in general, because that's what confuses them most and is impossible to defeat.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

While talking about the 9/11 movement and its flaws, I brought up something very similar to your topic. "Above Top Secret" is not immune to what is happening, for many of the topic posters do not use logic when discriminating information.

Its called subterfuge. Since the start of the new millennium, foreign governments have been using the internet to manipulate people in another country. As a result of forgetting that we live in borders, conspiracy and average citizens allow themselves to be manipulated by another country's propaganda. Islam, Russia, French, and China are doing everything in their power to cause unrest in the United States and Europe.

Do you know what the sad part is? Its working.

ENOCH was left out of the bible
the plagerizers just stole what they needed and left out the rest.
so linking him to the bible is doing truth a huge disservice.
enoch predates the flood let alone the bible which came along THOUSANDS of years later
Please note what happened in europe after the creation of protestanism...
Luther got his funds and support and assistance from ...?

and who wound up owning most of europe after the killing slowed down a bit....


food is better than bombs
no fallout
not to hard on the real estate.

The bankers are pulling the strings as they have ever since they found that they could.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Great Job as always, Proto.
S & F for yet another thought provoking, insightful, informative thread.

We are bombarded at every turn with information, disinformation, information collected on us, about us, our browsing habits, our shopping habits, it's all very overwhelming. Trying to even decipher what is truth, let alone process, deal with and respond to it has become, for me at least, too much.

I think the only way I can do anything is to scale back the scope of my concern. Worry less about the world and focus more on my own neighborhood. My own family, my own person.

With the Internet, you never even really know who is behind the buzz messages (USA, China, Russia, corporations, etc)... neither at the seeding nor critical mass levels... but you can be sure that most people will not question it and will run with it.

Not sure if WWIII is brewing yet, but it does seem probable that global regime changes (even dangerous ones) can be to the long-term benefit of Western society. It's a dangerous game and we really can't see the players anymore.

Re talking heads
worry less about what the talking heads are saying
worry about what all the little tvs in the backgroundof all the news sets
are beamimg into the back ofyour brains...


lay down and die or kill kill kill.
certainly borrow borrow borrow...spend spend spend