Jared Loughner the alleged Tucson shooter - So many questions - so few answers .

oh and so far Brian Hewlett has not responded to my email. I guess that was another front with the rest of his websites.

reply to post by filosophia


What did you put in the email you sent ?


Check this bro ,
starpas.azcc.gov...=wsbroker1/connect.p?app=agent-report.p

Go to the site if his details arent there type in Brian N Hewlett ,
It will show you the companies he has set up .
It will show you his business partners too. The ones we have found google results for are into the same things as Hewlett ie new age movements and the burning man .
Scott Plasky and Hewlett both claim to be pc/internet experts . Platsky is also an expert in nuclear medicine technology

This site will show you that his BrianHewlittllc company was Dissolved because he did not keep up the necessary annual reports and fees .


Here is another website he is involved in
www.thenext.us...
What do you think ?

Let me know if you find anything else of interest .

Peace .

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Do we have a news article saying Loughner took this guy's class? I missed that part.
the first link didn't work, but I saw the three websites that all had the same under construction sign. The second link is definitely new agey, but again not finished completely, this guy doesn't finish anything he starts.

Did you read the girlfriend's account of Jared? She said he is "faking" it but how could she be so sure? What has she seen of him that would make it seem like he was faking it? Unless she thinks he is smiling on purpose to make it seem like he is insane. She also says he wanted to die at the scene. Is this why the cops didn't interfere? So the citizens would take him down with non-lethal force, to keep him alive?

Remember fort hood? How a female police officer, and not even a military soldier took down Hasan? He also survived? (Probably because a cops bullets are not as strong as a military?).

So I was thinking about how Jared unrealistically breaks a 20 in the convenient store, pays the cab driver, then starts blowing people away. I was wondering if the "cab driver" was really the second suspect, but later turned into a cab driver in order to make Loughner seem like a Loner. This is rather strange because Loughner had a car, he was pulled over for running a stop light before the shooting, and his father saw him take a bag out of the trunk. Then the report says that Loughner took off running and his father got into his truck and chased after him (but obviously gave up). The problem with this is that Sheriff "Dupe"-neck is the one telling this story, which doesn't make sense, where's the black bag? The FBI then said they found shotguns in the trunk of the car, so what did Loughner take out of the trunk?

I'm thinking the cab driver was the second shooter and they used the cover story of Jared running away from his home to make it seem like he ditched his car, then he unusually paid the cab driver before the shooting to reinforce the idea that he took a cab there.

what do you think?

Originally posted by filosophia
reply to post by Doomzilla

 

Do we have a news article saying Loughner took this guy's class? I missed that part.
the first link didn't work, but I saw the three websites that all had the same under construction sign. The second link is definitely new agey, but again not finished completely, this guy doesn't finish anything he starts.

Did you read the girlfriend's account of Jared? She said he is "faking" it but how could she be so sure? What has she seen of him that would make it seem like he was faking it? Unless she thinks he is smiling on purpose to make it seem like he is insane. She also says he wanted to die at the scene. Is this why the cops didn't interfere? So the citizens would take him down with non-lethal force, to keep him alive?

Remember fort hood? How a female police officer, and not even a military soldier took down Hasan? He also survived? (Probably because a cops bullets are not as strong as a military?).


The link that showed his arrest here you are ....... it shows he taught sociology to Loughner
www.kgun9.com...

Link me to his girlfriends interview bro .

Regarding Hewlett s businesses he is either a failure or these companies are fronts .

Yeah I know about fort hood , all thes assasins are similar , it looks like they were AT LEAST allowed to get to this point unstopped .

Doomzilla, thanks for your kind words,

here again the link to the article on the shooting after the "Jared" shooting;

www.fox11az.com... ng-trespassing-charges--117413933.html

And a shooting Thursday afternoon at a midtown apartment put one person in the hospital. It happened near Grant Road and Dodge Boulevard. No details have been released on the victim other than that he's in his 20s and expected to live. And no word on a suspect.

Confirmed, but not much more infos here:www.kgun9.com...

So far i have not found any further news on this one, even the Tuscon Police Department Website does not have any information. I guess its a case of "ongoing research"..


Other question; Are there any "sane" teachers in Tuscon ??

I remember the videos from the math-teacher (probably Doomzilla or getsmart posted them) he seems to be a nutcase.
And Brian Hewlett's behaviour seems very off, especially for a teacher who should be a role model.

Its no wonder they can not handle schoolkids when they can't handle themselves.

Originally posted by svetlana84


Doomzilla, thanks for your kind words,

here again the link to the article on the shooting after the "Jared" shooting;

www.fox11az.com... ng-trespassing-charges--117413933.html

And a shooting Thursday afternoon at a midtown apartment put one person in the hospital. It happened near Grant Road and Dodge Boulevard. No details have been released on the victim other than that he's in his 20s and expected to live. And no word on a suspect.

Confirmed, but not much more infos here:www.kgun9.com...

So far i have not found any further news on this one, even the Tuscon Police Department Website does not have any information. I guess its a case of "ongoing research"..


Other question; Are there any "sane" teachers in Tuscon ??

I remember the videos from the math-teacher (probably Doomzilla or getsmart posted them) he seems to be a nutcase.
And Brian Hewlett's behaviour seems very off, especially for a teacher who should be a role model.

Its no wonder they can not handle schoolkids when they can't handle themselves.

Hello again , are there any sane teachers in Tuscon ? Doesn't seem so lol .
Loughners maths teacher seems very strange/fake too .
Yeah me and Kroms found his youtube channel and a lot of other stuff too . From what we found he is not only a failure but creepy .
We are not sure if Hewlett s businesses may be fake or front companies .

Interesting article here , it is critical of the handling of the Loughner case by "certain " parties ..

Check it out !

tucsoncitizen.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

You guys should check this thread out. If she makes it there could what happened to her and this whole JLL just be the first step of a much bigger plot? No proof , no puzzle just a hunch and a bad feeling which may or may not be verified.

Keep up your work in this thread too btw everyone. Its good to see people adamantly working on something and not acquiescing for whatever reasons.

That is all

Trowa

Originally posted by TrowaBarton
www.abovetopsecret.com...

You guys should check this thread out. If she makes it there could what happened to her and this whole JLL just be the first step of a much bigger plot? No proof , no puzzle just a hunch and a bad feeling which may or may not be verified.

Keep up your work in this thread too btw everyone. Its good to see people adamantly working on something and not acquiescing for whatever reasons.

That is all

Trowa

edit on 16/3/11 by TrowaBarton because: Spelling as always

Yeah I checked the thread and posted thanks .


If you find anymore Loughner related threads let me know . Ive been looking myself .
Peace

here are two links of the former girlfriend, in one of them she says he is normal, in the other she says he is faking it

online.wsj.com...
www.freerepublic.com...

There could have been a period of change following highschool to college, this I believe is a h.s. girl friend. She contradicts what the other friend says, saying Loughner was always ranting about the government, even though his friend said he stayed out of politics.

I apologize if this question has already been answered, but I still want to know why the arizona shootings were not labelled a "terrorist act". Would it have been if jared would have been muslim like the ft. hood shooter? or is there a political reason to not label what happened an act of terror?

Originally posted by BeenieWeenie
I apologize if this question has already been answered, but I still want to know why the arizona shootings were not labelled a "terrorist act". Would it have been if jared would have been muslim like the ft. hood shooter? or is there a political reason to not label what happened an act of terror?

If it is a planned hit which the alleged confession note suggests he should be labelled a terrorist . However it is questionable whether the people other than Giffords who got shot were part of Loughners plan, probably not .

Which brings me to the fact that people are claiming Loughner was going to kill himself with the gun. I dont believe this though , why he did he keep shooting people then once hed shot Giffords ?

Originally posted by BeenieWeenie
I apologize if this question has already been answered, but I still want to know why the arizona shootings were not labelled a "terrorist act". Would it have been if jared would have been muslim like the ft. hood shooter? or is there a political reason to not label what happened an act of terror?

I think they said because he was acting alone he is not considered a terrorist, so apparently the war on terrorism should have just been called the war on al qaeda. No doubt this is a terrorist act but it just shows the hypocrisy and double standard of the situation. They want to call him a terrorist but I think people would get upset if they called an American, even Jared Loughner, a terrorist. It's just a weird warped mentality that really has no explanation to, just like there is no explanation why Loughner killed Giffords or anyone else for that matter. We don't get explanations, we get slanted facts and then gun legislation.

Originally posted by filosophia
here are two links of the former girlfriend, in one of them she says he is normal, in the other she says he is faking it

online.wsj.com...
www.freerepublic.com...

There could have been a period of change following highschool to college, this I believe is a h.s. girl friend. She contradicts what the other friend says, saying Loughner was always ranting about the government, even though his friend said he stayed out of politics.

edit on 16-3-2011 by filosophia because: (no reason given)

I just read both articles.
Id not heard anyone contend that he is faking insanity .
If he is I d say that this was the lawyers orders . Hopefully physchologists will be able to tell if hes faking his behaviour? Otherwise the trial is even more or a joke .
Peace

Thanks for the link here! I seen it at some point and flagged it. Diving in now, very interested in comparing research, I was almost obsessed with this case for a weeks, starting when it happened.

Originally posted by TKDRL
Thanks for the link here! I seen it at some point and flagged it. Diving in now, very interested in comparing research, I was almost obsessed with this case for a weeks, starting when it happened. [/quote

No problem . This case has intrigued us . The more you delve the more discrepancies are found .
Tuscon seems full of strange people .
What has annoyed me is how little attention was put on Hewletts arrest .
Look foward to hearing your opinions .
Peace

Well damn, looks like I have nothing to add really, except a personal story. I can't really get too specific about it, I am not comfortable at this time coming forward with my identity.

Some years back I was accused of a pretty bad crime. It wasn't murder, and had nothing to do with children, that is about as specific as I can get about it. It was a media circus, there aren't really any bad crimes out in the country where I was at the time, so it was "exciting" I guess.

Well as it turns out, all the people I counted on as friends, were #in cowards, each and every one. They all backed away from me, none was willing to give no interviews with the media. There were however, plenty of people that didn't really know me, but wanted to get on TV that did step up. They painted a pretty nasty picture of me indeed.

Now some of the stuff they said, was very true. They told about many of the fights I had gotten in, and won brutally. What they didn't tell, either by omission, or maybe they didn't know, was what the fights were over. Each and every fight I have ever been in, I feel justified that it was the right thing to do. I guess the "victims" must have too, as I was never charged, or sued by any of them. One thing people must understand about the country way of life, it is like an unwritten rule, don't run your mouth unless you are willing to back them words up out back later. Especially you don't talk about a man's family. There were people that straight lied too, saying we were buddies for years, and told made up stories about me. I never forgave any of my "friends" for not stepping up to the plate and setting the record straight. They were no longer my friends, I would have done it for them in a heartbeat.

And about the "mugshots". It wouldn't surprise me in the least bit that they were altered. The mugshots of me that hit the covers were also altered a bit. They did things that made me look even more menacing, which in all honesty they didn't need to do. Picture a hells angel outlaw redneck, and that was what I looked like then. They made subtle changes, to make my face less symetrical, they curved the corners of my lips into a smirk. They blew out the shadows to make it look more ominous. They shrank my pupils, and they were already small due to the bright lights where the mugshot was taken. Of course the other pictures they put in the paper where ones of me shooting the guns lol.

I don't trust anyone that comes forward claiming to know, and or have been friends with Jared. You can understand why. Unless they have proof, including recent pictures together. Could be someone who doesn't know them, could be a disrguntled ex friend, ex girlfriend etc.

I spent a lot more time than I would have liked in jail awaiting the grand jury. The bail they set was more than my house was worth, I didn't have that kind of money. It didn't get past the grand jury.

I spent about a year trying to get the local media outlets to set the story straight, to interview me. Or at the very least post the correct story with an apology. Never happened, eventually I gave up. I did meet a few of the liars out back though in the following years.

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it's sickening that any police would alter a mug shot to look more evil, that alone calls for the case to be thrown out in my opinion. I think that is why they are advertising the new mugshot as opposed to the old one, they were worried people were finding out about the altercations. The autopsy reports do not show the measurement of the bullet, meaning as of yet there is no public information regarding the forensic evidence of the bullets used, yet they are already pushing for gun control legislation before the trial is even over.

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Thanks for sharing that !
What it shows is that this is commonplace .
I think they framed Loughner , his motive is very weak . He had a grudge and waited FOUR years to act on it .
I think its very obvious the 1st mugshot was tampered with and if so what else are they misrepresenting in this case ?

At this moment in time we still have zero proof of anything .

Peace