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Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by Kailassa
Coma and vegative are not the same.
Those things are not human.
Originally posted by Serizawa
Most of the women are not raped so an easy way to avoid abortion is to keep your damn draws on. Mind over matter. Or sterilize yourself.....Period.
I'm ready for round two of my grilling
Originally posted by Serizawa
Most of the women are not raped so an easy way to avoid abortion is to keep your damn draws on. Mind over matter. Or sterilize yourself.....Period.
Originally posted by MMPI2
reply to post by byteshertz
But I know you know this and wanted to trip me up - hence the star
thanks for the star but - HUH?
ps -
we have established abortion itself is not wrong
we have?
edit on 24-2-2011 by MMPI2 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by byteshertz
Originally posted by Serizawa
reply to post by byteshertz
I thought you told me not to post up my OPINIONS and start posting FACTS! What better to quote then biology books? I'm no expert in the matter, I do not try to act like one.........But I do know for a fact that the authors of the book have greater knowledge on the subject then you or I.
As you have proven - just because you can quote fact does not mean your understanding of those facts are correct - all your quotes were 100% accurate and then misinterpreted by you which makes your assumption that when they say "they begining of the human being" they mean the begining of the human life - 100% wrong.
If the answer was that easy then there would be no trouble proving in a court of law that abortion is murder - but it is not possible to pinpoint where life begins so it is therefore no murder - because murder means to kill with intention and you can not kill something that does not have life.
Originally posted by jennybee35
I would like an answer to this question, also.
How can someone be charged with murder of an unborn child? If under our current laws a "fetus' is not a human being with rights, how is this justified:
charged with murder of unborn baby
man charged with baby murder
I only provided two links, the last one shows how many states have a statute or law against murder of unborn humans. The google search returned 35, 000 results for "man charged with murder of unborn baby."
How do you justify the law deciding that these were humans with their own rights and still claim that an unborn child can be ripped to pieces and vaccumed out of the womb?edit on 2/24/11 by jennybee35 because: spelling!
Originally posted by captaintyinknots
Originally posted by ACTS 2:38
reply to post by byteshertz
When ever you terminate a living being whether in the womb or alive it is murder.
They are a person even at conception, no ifs ands or buts.
But hay all the people for abortion are alive.
A beached whale has a greater chance of survival than an unborn child.
If there are no ifs and or buts about it, why is there even a debate?
Oh, right, because that is an opinion, not a fact, and one that is not backed up with any.
Originally posted by byteshertz
reply to post by Dendro
Yeah - I mean shot myself in the foot in the sense that now I have destroyed the opposing argument the thread isnt going to get much attention
Originally posted by Dendro
This is an article from my philosophy class.
A Defense of Abortion - JJ Thomson
Most opposition to abortion relies on the premise that the fetus is a human being, a person, from the moment of conception. The premise is argued for, but, as I think, not well. Take, for example, the most common argument. We are asked to notice that the development of a human being from conception through birth into childhood is continuous; then it is said that to draw a line, to choose a point in this development and say "before this point the thing is not a person, after this point it is a person" is to make an arbitrary choice, a choice for which in the nature of things no good reason can be given. It is concluded that the fetus is. or anyway that we had better say it is, a person from the moment of conception. But this conclusion does not follow. Similar things might be said about the development of an acorn into an oak trees, and it does not follow that acorns are oak trees, or that we had better say they are. Arguments of this form are sometimes called "slippery slope arguments"--the phrase is perhaps self-explanatory--and it is dismaying that opponents of abortion rely on them so heavily and uncritically.
She presents you with some hypothetical situations/thought experiments.edit on 25-2-2011 by Dendro because: Forgot about external
On average, women give four reasons for choosing abortion. Three-fourths of women cite concern for or responsibility to other individuals; three-fourths say they cannot afford a child; three-fourths say that having a baby would interfere with work, school or the ability to care for dependents; and half say they do not want to be a single parent or are having problems with their husband or partner.