Dolphins go to Hell

reply to post by Farnhold

Spoken by God? Havent you thought that Jesus could be a mentally disturbed person? If he ever existed of course.
Voice of God could simply be schizophrenia

Nope. People who lose grip with reality don't talk sense like they do on tv. Realistically had that happened, the bible wouldn't make sense. But it can be read and understood by anyone, and it is the story of The Creator's love for us, written by many different people across a large time period. There is no way that it could have come together as it did without error had it been written by crazy people.

My question to you is don't you think that there is a better chance that whatever doctrines you believe are written by crazy people? I've no idea what you believe in, but the question stands no matter what it is. Moreover, these days people believe the first alien documentary (Hah, oxymoron.) or movie that comes out, or talk show host. People are buying into crap left right and center and are forever on a search for the 'higher truth'. It seems anyone with an alternative to Christianity is given a book deal these days. The world is so focused on fulfilling it's desires now that the general population can't see past their own butt cheeks. (Read: head up their butt).

People want to hear that they get to keep doing what they are doing and it is ok. Jesus taught 'dying to self', which, as He explains, is that you must turn from your sins and follow Him. So what excuses do you use to get out of feeling guilty about not doing this?

reply to post by RapturedNotBeamed


The bible does not make sence. Chritisanity does not make sence:

The belief that some cosmic Jewish Zombie can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him that you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was cenvinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.

Yeah - makes perfect sence.

reply to post by Shamatt


Gosh you guys quote that a lot on here. Still, it is garbage and a gross misrepresentation of the bible.

reply to post by RapturedNotBeamed


Yeah - perhaps it is - but the bible is a gross misrepresentation of the truth.

reply to post by Shamatt


What truth, then?

Originally posted by RapturedNotBeamed
reply to post by Shamatt

 

What truth, then?

You want the truth? Ok, I'll copy/paste it for you (its what I said in my earlier post).

Truth is, that there are only two ways. Only one of them is right. You either believe there is something ABOVE us or don't. You cannot really prove either way. What religions do is that they mock THEIR IDEA of "god". But they will never prove they are right, never. Atheists don't believe in anything. Agnostics do, but we don't specify who or what it is, how does he/it look like, behave, do,etc, because we don't know. That gives us free will and no pre-determined rules. We follow rules we consider to be right. But regarding "God", we will probably never find out, because we can't. We choose to believe in something because it's easier to think of. We have some hope that our lives have at least some meaning.

If you want proof God exists, walk into a bible-teaching, spirit-filled church with an open heart. I mean really, not just 'ok God, prove to me you exist now..'. I'm talking about going there looking for Him. God will meet you there, and you will know it without a doubt. Put your money where your mouth is.

reply to post by RapturedNotBeamed


Isnt Christianity teaching that God is everywhere? What is the point of Church then? I would feel same way as if I were outside.

reply to post by Farnhold


I've had a lot of debates about this online, and the truth is that it's an endless cycle. Rarely do you ever see someone change their perspective, and it always comes down to a proverbial butting of heads. But it's a different scenario when you take the initiative to go and find God in a place that exercises sound teaching and where you will be surrounded by His presence. Yes, He is everywhere, but the bible says that "where two or three are gathered in My name, I will be there". And He is, you can literally feel it. It's not the same as walking outside.

Originally posted by Shamatt

The bible does not make sense. Christianity does not make sense:

Unattributed quote "The belief that some cosmic Jewish Zombie can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him that you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was cenvinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree." (unattributed quote)

Yeah - makes perfect sence.

Corrected (some of ) your spelling for you there... No need to thank me!
Just want to say that you ought to have put your quote above in speech marks, as I don't know where you got it from but it's not original with you, I have seen it on dozens of different sites all over the world in the past 6 months. Was it Dawkins? (Unlikely, he's usually a bit more rational, and he can spell... ) However, it is netiquette to attribute quotes, you know?
The idea of whoever wrote it was to be as offensive as possible, of course, and the chances are good that he has mental health issues.. I'd love to know who it was - my guess is Sam Harris, or that idiot George Carlin?
Vicky

reply to post by Vicky32


I think it's off of some cartoon show...I'm not sure which, but I've heard it before

reply to post by NOTurTypical


I'm only saying, to OP's knowledge, whether or not it is factual, is that it's a pointless rule.

Also, I'm not sure I understand your strawman reference, can you please explain it? I'm new, and still learning a lot about these posts and such.

reply to post by Vicky32


Expecting a dyslexic to spell everything right is just plain silly, Read my sig.

As far as the rest of your post goes. I should have quoted you are right, I forgot. I will remember next time. As fare as being offensive goes, that is up to you to decide if you weant to be offended, or if you want to see the humour in the text. Your free will to decide. As given to you by your god.

Originally posted by RapturedNotBeamed
If you want proof God exists, walk into a bible-teaching, spirit-filled church with an open heart. I mean really, not just 'ok God, prove to me you exist now..'. I'm talking about going there looking for Him. God will meet you there, and you will know it without a doubt. Put your money where your mouth is.

Why cut down a tree to build a church when I could just worship the tree?

I see god everywhere, and he does not ask me to worship him, or to obey him. He does not threaten me with eternal damnation. He loves me unconditioninally whatever I do or say. I don't need to build a special place of worship. I can live my life as I see fit and that pleases him. And when I die I will return to him, as will/did every other human that ever existed.

Why do you need your god to be so angry, so unforgiving, so jugemental?

Originally posted by chancemusky
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

I'm only saying, to OP's knowledge, whether or not it is factual, is that it's a pointless rule.

Also, I'm not sure I understand your strawman reference, can you please explain it? I'm new, and still learning a lot about these posts and such.

It's an invalid argument. He cannot create a false impression of what God said or wants and shoot down that false god he created. That's a "straw man" argument. No where in the Bible does it say that having sex for pleasure is a sin. Song of Solomon sets that issue straight. The OP is rejecting the grounds that God has only ordained sex inside of marriage.

It's an argument based on false premises. It's irrelevant information.

Originally posted by Shamatt
reply to post by Vicky32

 

Expecting a dyslexic to spell everything right is just plain silly, Read my sig.

As far as the rest of your post goes. I should have quoted you are right, I forgot. I will remember next time. As fare as being offensive goes, that is up to you to decide if you weant to be offended, or if you want to see the humour in the text. Your free will to decide. As given to you by your god.

Sorry, I hadn't seen your signature, though to be fair, you don't actually say that you are dyslexic! (Just that it's unreasonable to ask a dyslexic to spell.)
As for the quote, yes, I am glad you agree that you ought to have acknowledged that it was not your own work! It's not humorous, it couldn't be less funny if it tried. You and I both know it's not meant to be, that it's intended to be greatly offensive.
Vicky
Vicky

reply to post by Vicky32


Well, it made me laugh.

reply to post by NOTurTypical


Can anyone know what God truly said, when so many men have edited the books?
Btw, please explain strawman,I have yet to see that explanation,and will probably help me understand ur point

Originally posted by chancemusky
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Can anyone know what God truly said, when so many men have edited the books?

The OP purported to know didn't he?

Btw, please explain strawman,I have yet to see that explanation,and will probably help me understand ur point

The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position. This sort of "reasoning" has the following pattern: .... This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because attacking a distorted version of a position simply does not constitute an attack on the position itself. One might as well expect an attack on a poor drawing of a person to hurt the person.

Fallacy: Straw Man Argument

reply to post by NOTurTypical


Lol, you know, you worship a Christian God created by man, not me. Don't you?
You are a person living in illusion of a false god.
I am a realist and I don't follow a book created by man (or men) 2000 years ago who think they know what, how and who created the world. Do you really think they knew how was world created and understood universe and everything in it, when we don't and when we keep discovering new things all the time even now? We still know very little, and look how technologically advanced we are. What your logic says? It is like expecting that cave men knew how to build a nuclear reactor at that time.
Logic, just logic is all you need.
I too believe in god, but not in any specific, because we don't know what is he like, if there is one. I choose to believe in what I want to believe. I follow rules I find to be right, not because some dude on shrooms came up with them.
I want some evidence, or my own experience. If he ever spoke to me, and told me that Bible is right in everything, I would believe in Christian God.
Do you believe that also other big religions in our world are right? Or do you think they are false? Judaism is based on Tanach, Christianity on Bible, Islam is based on Qur'an, Buddhism on Tripitaka.
Do you think Christianity is only true religion? If yes, can you give me some evidence that other religions are false? Debunk them please. Seriously, debunk them.