Is ATS Supporting Ignorance Concerning Chemtrails? I think so.

And do yuo have any actual evidence for this being utter rubbish?

It is certainly my experience (as an aircraft mechanic of 36 years) that what he said is more-or-less correct - I'd not have said that "gray water" is ditched overboard anymore tho - it goes to the toilet tanks on modern a/c, but that was certainly the case with a/c a while back - up until say 15 years ago it was quite common.

None-the-less there are drains on the aircraft for things like condensation from the aircon, engine oil venting, and you can occasionally get moisture trailing from heated probes such as pitot and angle of attack probes.

Certainly the comments about condensation from engines not starting until the water has cooled down are obvious and correct, and of course this would not be the case if something else was being "sprayed" - it would be obvious directly from whereever it as being sprayed from.

So do yuo ahve any actual evidence to back up any of your dismissie comments, or are you just on a "deny it all" kick?

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Why don't you provide some actual visual evidence of the theories you are claiming so that we can compare them to the evidence that i have provided.

It's quite obvious who is really on the deny it all lick.....what a twisted web you weave when first you practice to deceive

Originally posted by MathiasAndrew
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul

 

There is only one reason I posted these videos here and it doesn't concern any of you. These are for everyone else to view and make up there own minds. And to not be fooled by a bunch of mumbo jumbo tech talk that has only one purpose. To decieve mislead and misinterpret the obvious existence of the chemtrails.

Right - as per usual anything that is actual factual is dismissed as "mumbo jumbo", and, ironicaly, all the unsupported asertions that you and you heroes make, without a single shred of actual evidence is supposed to be the last word in what is going on.

Welll since you decided that everyone should make up there own minds, here's a link that provides real, actual, factual evidence - backed up by decades of scientific research, and which shows most of your drivel up as exactly that - I see your evasive and misleading YT spam and raise you some actual science.

Let's see how people react to facts vs deception - and i'll give them a hint - there's no facts in anything you posted, but her are some at contrail science.

Originally posted by MathiasAndrew
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul

 

Why don't you provide some actual visual evidence of the theories you are claiming so that we can compare them to the evidence that i have provided.

It's quite obvious who is really on the deny it all lick.....what a twisted web you weave when first you practice to deceive

edit on 28-2-2011 by MathiasAndrew because: (no reason given)

Visual evidence of what - contrails?

You've already provided plenty - I don't see why I would want to spam people with more. Like you said - let them make up their minds - I've provided a link to a site that shows you up as a gullible fool - that's enough for me.

And I thought you were finished here??


come to think of it I will show 1 set of contrails & ask what is your take on it - here y'go......gosh - hopefully my 1st successfully embedded video...how exciting

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul


I already know what all you jokers next move is. You will all now try to bury the evidence by posting as many lame duck quacks as you can. Well I will just remind everyone what page of this thread the proof is on. You shall not pass.

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dude I posted 1 link, and 1 video - it ain't me who's trying to drown everyone in spam!!

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I really hate to contradict you, on the drain mast issue....but, ummmm....I do have type ratings, and that "first hand", up close knowledge.....:

Drain masts are to drain "grey" water from lav sinks and galley drains. Blue water stays in the tank. There are a few drains in the galley under the coffee makers to get rid of spilled coffee. Very prone to clogging, not much fun to fix either.

www.airliners.net...

The Airbus A-330 is quite a modern airplane....:
Airbus A-330 -- Toilet and Galley Troubleshooting




(For example).......

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul


You're just making yourself look more foolish not me. Everyone can see the difference between a contrail from an engine and a chemtrail from the dispersal system.

Your video proves my point about the contrail coming from the engines and not the rear wing set. TYVM

You may all go ahead and enjoy your little sessions in mental masturbation and circle jerking each other off. This pointless game of ping pong and self serving innuendos is over. You and your entire clan of Trolls whose refusal to accept any shred of evidence ever will be just what makes my point for me.

Funny how you all think that your opinions are so right while everyone else is so wrong. Your boat doesn't float and your so called "proof " just goes poof when it is really put the test. Side by side and compared in the light. The evidence is clear. There are contrails and then there are chemtrails. Thank you and goodnight.

Look at yourselves in the mirror and ask ...Is there the slightest chance I could be wrong?

BIOLOGICAL AND CHEMICAL TESTING ON HUMAN BEINGS

'Millions exposed' in 1960s experiments Radioactive gas was flung from Harwell During the early 1960s millions of people were exposed to clouds of radioactive xenon gas from the Harwell Nuclear Research Establishment, the BBC has discovered.
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Millions were in germ war tests Much of Britain was exposed to bacteria sprayed in secret trials The Ministry of Defence turned large parts of the country into a giant laboratory to conduct a series of secret germ warfare tests on the public. www.observer.co.uk...

Porton Down used soldiers for Sarin gas tests in 1983 Servicemen were experimented on with Sarin, the deadly nerve gas, as late as 1983 at the Government's defence research centre at Porton Down, documents seen by The Telegraph reveal. www.telegraph.co.uk...& sSheet=/news/2002/10/13/ixhome.html

Records: U.S. did open-air biological, chemical weapons tests in Florida Associated Press 10/08/02: Matt Kelley Original Link: www.miami.com...

The United States held open-air biological and chemical weapons tests in at least four states - Alaska, Hawaii, Maryland and Florida - during the 1960s in an effort to develop defenses against such weapons, according to Pentagon documents. www.rense.com...

US admits chemical weapons tests BBC 10/10/02 Original Link:
news.bbc.co.uk...

The Pentagon has published previously secret information revealing that it carried out more extensive tests of chemical and biological warfare agents than had previously been thought.
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US planes sprayed Wiltshire with Sarin London Times 10/10/02: Chris Ayres and Michael Evans Original Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...

CROPDUSTER aircraft flown by British and US military personnel sprayed deadly chemical weapons, including Sarin and VX, over the Wiltshire countryside in the late 1960s. News of the tests is broken in declassified documents released this week by the Pentagon. www.prisonplanet.com...

Vaccinia/Rabies Wildlife Bait Dropped From The Sky
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Pentagon: Chem, bio tests involved U.S. troops The USS George Eastman decontaminates after a nuclear test. The ship was used to monitor nuclear tests in the 1950s and for chemical and biological warfare tests in the '60s. WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Pentagon revealed for the first time Thursday that almost 3,000 U.S. military personnel were involved in Cold War-era tests involving actual chemical and biological agents. www.cnn.com...

Sailors: 'We were used' Vets exposed to toxic agents want answers, justice When Navy veteran Jim Brocklebank served as a radioman on the USS Power in the 1960s, he was intrigued by civilians in masks and body suits doing tests on his destroyer. www.floridatoday.com...

Sailors Skeptical of Chemical Tests
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Pentagon confirms Cold War program "Our government poisoned us," said Cast, who suffers chronic respiratory problems. "They should have given us a chance to opt out or tell us when we were doing (the testing)."
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Sailors Sprayed With Nerve Gas in Cold War Test, Pentagon Says
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Pentagon Program Promotes Psychopharmacological Warfare In The Futurological Congress (1971), Polish writer Stanislaw Lem portrayed a future in which disobedience is controlled with hypothetical mind-altering chemicals dubbed "benignimizers". Lem's fictional work opens with the frightening story of a police and military biochemical attack on protesters outside of an international scientific convention. As the environment becomes saturated with hallucinogenic agents, in Lem's tale the protesters (and bystanders) descend into chaos, overcome by delusions and feelings of complacency, self-doubt, and even love.
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The U.S. Government's Secret Testing of Radioactive, Chemical and Biological Weapons on Humans. As we travel through a period of increasing government secrecy, it is worth taking a second look at these books that document secret U.S. government radioactive, chemical and biological weapons testing on U.S. citizens.
www.mapcruzin.com...

U.S. conducted open-air tests of biological, chemical arms The United States secretly tested chemical and biological weapons on American soil during the 1960s, newly declassified Pentagon reports show.
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Fuzzy Strands Fill Skies Over Texas City GALVESTON, Texas (AP) _ Galveston residents are still trying to figure out what caused the skies over their coastal city to literally be filled on Friday with floating strands of wads that looked like spider webs. apondemo.mm.ap.org...

The Biowarriors Richard Sanders, November 7, 2001 On dozens of separate occasions since the Second World War, biological weapons have been used against innocent U.S. civilians. These actions were perpetrated not by foreign terrorists but by the U.S. Army during secret "open-air" biowarfare experiments that used the American public as guinea pigs.
www.guerrillanews.com...

THE MUSHROOM POLICY HUMAN EXPERIMENTATION
Keep them in the dark and feed them b.s. I want to believe my government is good. However too often what we want to believe proves to be fantasy.
www.etherzone.com...

The 1994 Rockefeller Report Examining Biological Experimentation on U.S. Military During the last few years, the public has become aware of several examples where U.S. Government researchers intentionally exposed Americans to potentially dangerous substances without their knowledge or consent.
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Burning of Chemical Arms Puts Fear in Wind
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Army Aerial Spraying Tests Panic, Anger Florida Keys Residents
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Of Microbes and Mock Attacks - 51 Years Ago, The Military Sprayed Germs on U.S. Cities
www.rense.com...

GERM WARFARE
The Hall of Shame The United States has a long history of experimentation, on unwitting human subjects, which goes back to the beginning of this century. Both private firms and the military have used unknowing human populations to test various theories. However, the extent to which human experimentation has been a part of the U.S. Biological Weapons programs will probably never be known. home.earthlink.net...

Protecting Yourself from Occult Biowarfare In this bizarre real-life crypto-medical mystery, Dr. Leonard Horowitz, author of "Emerging Viruses: AIDS and Ebola -- Nature, Accident or Intentional" (1996) continues his exploration of the origin and meaning of contemporary diseases -- many of them seemingly artificially created, man-made pathogens for population control produced by Illuminati-sponsored scientists who carry on the genocidal Nazi legacy.
www.steamshovelpress.com...

HOSPITALS JAMMED AS BANNED PESTICIDE IS SPRAYED FROM THE SKIES
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Inspect This The NWO's own secret bioweapons program As the controversy rages on over how long the United Nations should continue weapons inspections in Iraq, questions are being raised about the NWO's own stockpile of chemical and biological weapons and new clandestine weapons programs. Activists and scientists are calling for weapons inspections in the United States.
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Chemicals giant paid students to drink pesticide London Sunday Times 01/12/03: Lois Rogers Original Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...

ONE of the world's biggest chemical companies faces an inquiry after it was found to have used students to test a highly hazardous pesticide linked to serious disorders.
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CHEMTRAIL WATCH
Are BioWarfare weapons being tested on the population, is it a form of vaccination, or population control? - or is it Mass Paranoia? Research the information and draw your own conclusions!
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Chemtrails Data Page
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Chemtrail Illness Mycoplasma Links
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CANADIAN CHEMTRAILS
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MICHIGAN CONTRAILS AND CHEMTRAILS
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CHEMTRAIL EVIDENCE 'THE CAMPAIGN AGAINST CHEMTRAILS'
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CHEMTRAILS ARTICLES Chemtrails Over Santa Barbara
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Chemtrails outlaw The government says they don't exist, but Kucinich wants Congress to take action www.globalresearch.ca...

Space Preservation Act of 2001 (Introduced in House)
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Rep. Kucinich's HR 2977Names Chemtrails As An 'Exotic Weapon'
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Congress Admits Chemtrails Are Real After years of denial from government, military, and environmental agencies, the reality of the controversial issue regarding the covert programs known as Chemtrails has been acknowledged. www.indymedia.org...

CONGRESSMAN ACKNOWLEDGES CHEMTRAILS
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Chemtrails: Delivery System For Dept. of Defense's Toxic Cocktails
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Chemtrails Campaign Adds To Air Force Woes
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Military Said Behind Up To Four Different Chemtrail Programs
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Air Traffic Controllers Concerned Over Chemtrails
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Chemtrails A Field Guide to Chemtrails
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Stolen Skies: The Chemtrail Mystery Jet Trails in the Sky Used to Disappear. Now they Linger www3.bc.sympatico.ca...

Chemtrails over America - Let US Spray!!
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Centre for Research on Globalisation

The government says they don't exist, but Kucinich wants Congress to take action

The debate surrounding the federal government's alleged weather modification experiments has landed in the U.S. Capitol, thanks to Cleveland Democrat Dennis Kucinich. Representative Kucinich introduced the Space Preservation Act of 2001 on October 2 last year, seeking a "permanent ban on [the] basing of weapons in space."

The bill, HR 2977, specifically outlaws a variety of weapons detailed in the December 6, 2001, Columbus Alive article "Stormy Weather," which exposed allegations of secret government aerial spraying activities. Kucinich's bill explicitly outlaws "chemtrails."

Alive asked Kucinich why he would introduce a bill banning so-called chemtrails when the U.S. government routinely denies such things exist and the U.S. Air Force has routinely called chemtrail sightings "a hoax."

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Well I find it interesting that you are using this video as proof of chemtrails. In fact lets break this video down shall we?



Okay if you listen from .40 sec to .51 secs he talks about how there are contrails that linger for an hour so it cannot be contrails.Well I think there are some people who beg to differ.The person on the video does not seem to know to much about contrails.

Scientists are most interested in persistent contrails because they form long-lasting and sometimes extensive clouds that would not normally have formed in the atmosphere. Persistent contrails can last for hours to days, and spread over thousands of square kilometers, becoming indistinguishable from naturally occurring cirrus clouds. Scientists are concerned about contrails because predicted increases in air-traffic could result in a continued increase in cloud cover. Knowing when and where contrails form is key to determining their contribution to cirrus cloud cover and their effect on the energy balance. Thus, collecting information on short-lived contrails is also of interest.

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Here is a little interesting comment.

Fake, Hoax, Chemtrail Videos

.Jul 24 2010.

Most of the supposed “chemtrail” videos out there are simply videos of persistent contrails that the video maker somehow has decided are part of a giant world-wide conspiracy involving spraying something for some purpose. But some videos are actually deliberate hoaxes, either by pranksters poking fun at the chemtrail community, or by people looking to promote the theory for one reason or another.

contrailscience.com...

You may want to check it out,because there is info on there that may help you to see that contrails are not chemtrails and chemtrails are only misidentified contrails. So enjoy!!!

ARE WE THERE YET ? ARE WE THERE YET ? GET MY DRIFT ? CATCH THE VAPORS ?

Hey Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dummer look above your head if you want proof...I mean look above your post

GAME OVER

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I KNOW IGNORANCE IS BLISS....IT MUST REALLY CRUSH YOU TO ADMIT YOU WERE WRONG

WELL WHAT DO WE HAVE HERE PRAY TELL I ASK ? DO TELL

ChemTrails - US Patent #5003186 - Stratospheric Welsbach Seeding for Reduction of Global Warming


OH WAIT THERE"S MORE

globalgulag.freesmfhosting.com...


NEED I SAY MORE? MUST I GO ON ? YEAH WHY NOT

www.libertyforlife.com...

everytime we think we have the answers there is so much more! there is a galactic battle going on right now we just dont see it. the chemtrails have a negative effect on humans in lowering our immune systems but there is another catch. TPTB are also trying to reflect sunlight back out in space with the nano metals. the sun raising the frequency on all planets in our solar system. they dont want us or earth in the 5th dimension. so we need to understand that she; gaia is under attack and has been for millenia. shes responding and is gonna respond with all sorts of earthquakes and volcanos!!

Originally posted by MathiasAndrew
WELL WHAT DO WE HAVE HERE PRAY TELL I ASK ? DO TELL

ChemTrails - US Patent #5003186 - Stratospheric Welsbach Seeding for Reduction of Global Warming

And has anyone actually found an example of it being used anywhere to make any sort of trail at all?? It'd be pretty obvious if it was tucked behind an engine or under a wing.

there are millions of patents that never get built - there are websites devoted to teh strangest of them - jsut look up "weird patents" in your favourite search engine.

OH WAIT THERE"S MORE

globalgulag.freesmfhosting.com...

no # - there's thousands of documents relating to geo-engineering? wow...I never realised.......[/sarcasm]

Of course there is - it's a "hot topic" at the moment - people have been talking about it for years, ther are public forums on it all around the world, there is much discussion about what might be the best way to counter global warming (whether you believe in it or not), and some peole have suggested that "spraying stuff" might be one such method.

And in every case that's what they are doign - talkign about it, discussing what the consequences might be, how it might be done.

I did as your link suggests - put those phrases into a search engine, and looked at a couple of the results for each - and as I expected not one document says anything about it being done at the moment - they are all speculative, or predictive - discussing possible consequences and effects. Note the word POSSIBLE.

Not one suggestion that it has and is currently being done by every jet airliner in the world for the last 50+ years.

The evidence is absolutely overwhelming and irrefutable. Please don't persist with your silly misguided intentions of dismissal and denial any longer. Lest I take out the big guns and lay waste to whatever shred of dignity you have left.

www.google.com...=chemtrail+documents&hl=en&rlz=1C1GGGE_enUS 409US409&prmd=ivnsfd&ei=0WNsTdOANoj0tgPJ2_jFBQ&start=10&sa=N&bav=on.1,or.&fp=2ce4b7de8d5212a

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SILLY SILLY BOY, WHAT HAPPENED TO CHEMTRAILS DO NOT EXIST ? OH NOW IT"S HAVE THEY BEEN USED? LMAO

Originally posted by MathiasAndrew
Centre for Research on Globalisation

The government says they don't exist, but Kucinich wants Congress to take action

The debate surrounding the federal government's alleged weather modification experiments has landed in the U.S. Capitol, thanks to Cleveland Democrat Dennis Kucinich. Representative Kucinich introduced the Space Preservation Act of 2001 on October 2 last year, seeking a "permanent ban on [the] basing of weapons in space."

The bill, HR 2977, specifically outlaws a variety of weapons detailed in the December 6, 2001, Columbus Alive article "Stormy Weather," which exposed allegations of secret government aerial spraying activities. Kucinich's bill explicitly outlaws "chemtrails."

Debunked

Have you got anything vaguely original or at least new-ish to contribute, or are you just going to keep repeating stuff that was rubbish when it was first posted 10 years ago and is still rubbish now?

Originally posted by MathiasAndrew
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul

 

You're just making yourself look more foolish not me. Everyone can see the difference between a contrail from an engine and a chemtrail from the dispersal system.

Sure they can - when are you going to show the later then?

Your video proves my point about the contrail coming from the engines and not the rear wing set. TYVM

What is "the rear wing set"?

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