Prank call proves billionaire David Koch owns Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker and the GOP

Originally posted by Leo Strauss
People wonder why anyone would pay Rush 38 million dollars a year to talk on the radio??? Glenn Beck 18 million dollars a year?? Sean Hannity 20 million a year?? Fox news lost 90 million dollars a year during the first 5 years of operation.

Union busting, outsourcing, deregulation and tax breaks/subsidies are what they are paying for and corporate profits show it is money well spent.

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REPLY: Geee.. it might be that their ranks of listeners want to hear what they have to say, and buy from their sponsors. As for Fox, what you said is true, but has been overshadowed by what they bring in now, which more than covered the initial loss. Air America is bankrupt and pretty much gone because the people don't like what they had to say, and they lost many times more than fox did initially. All of the alphabet cable news outlets (CNN; MSNBC, etc) are losing their butts now, and are still around only because other properties of the owner(s) are subsidizing them.

Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh
No she didn't. It was a veiled attack. I have read and responded to her enough to know where she lies in her beliefs.

Nope. Missed on every mark.


Keep trying.



...and let me EXPLAIN WHY.

The TEA Party was pretty specific about certain things while they were out all over the media over the last two years.

"Protesting is patriotic, big corporations are bad, politicians are bad, big money + politics is super duper bad."
Am I wrong on any of that? Were these not key points of the TEA Party um...protests?

See because now, I hear this phone call between a politician and his out of state billionaire donor explaining plans to further erode the rights of mostly middle class Americans.
Am I wrong about that?

I actually asked because this is exactly what I am seeing and I would really appreciate some sort of clarity. I appreciate maybereals explanation as I feel it is probably more accurate and honest than one I will get from a self proclaimed TEA Party person, given your "response." So if any of your brethren can skip over that petty "I am going to respond to point out how you do not deserve a resoponse" crap you got a shovel full of, that would be nice. Not you though. Try call a friend or a street shout out because you seem to have left your credibility outside when you were loading up on empty insults. Thanks!

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In his defense, guys. I have read enough of his posts to understand that he is truly doing the very best that he can.

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REPLY: As has been shown here, the call was fake, and Walker did nothing to hurt himself in any way. you will eat your words. At least Walker had more experience for the job than BHO did/does.

Originally posted by zappafan1
REPLY: As has been shown here, the call was fake,

The call was quite real. Walker admitted to the call. The Koche was fake.

and Walker did nothing to hurt himself in any way.

He revealed his ruse to lure Democrats back with a fake promise to talk, only to trick them by using a procedural maneuver to use thier presence to move the vote forward without them taking part in the vote. Thus, they did not fall for said trick and it failed. That seemed to hurt a bit. He would probably have won this by now. Plus it seems that his support among the public as well as among fellow state reps is now waning as this cozy relationship is not sitting right with people who make less than a billion dollars a EVER.

you will eat your words. At least Walker had more experience for the job than BHO did/does.

Must be why Walker is president now then huh?

I am not sure I get this tactic but I know I have seen it somewhere before....



Oh yeah, that's where.

Originally posted by Sinnthia

Originally posted by zappafan1
REPLY: As has been shown here, the call was fake,

The call was quite real. Walker admitted to the call. The Koche was fake.

and Walker did nothing to hurt himself in any way.

He revealed his ruse to lure Democrats back with a fake promise to talk, only to trick them by using a procedural maneuver to use thier presence to move the vote forward without them taking part in the vote. Thus, they did not fall for said trick and it failed. That seemed to hurt a bit. He would probably have won this by now. Plus it seems that his support among the public as well as among fellow state reps is now waning as this cozy relationship is not sitting right with people who make less than a billion dollars a EVER.

REPLY: yes, I should have said that the Koch character was a fake. I admit my mistake, which most people in this post will not do. All in all, walker did nothing do cause distrust in any way. As for any procedural "tricks" (Reid and Pelosi come to mind) I hope the state police find the cowards and bring them back, by force if need be, and they should be fired for not living up to the oath of office. They are preventing the democracy from taking place.

you will eat your words. At least Walker had more experience for the job than BHO did/does.

Must be why Walker is president now then huh?

REPLY: Care to show me where he ran for president? I never said he did. Walker has more experience in politics, is all, and he doesn't hate America or the Constitution. Obama was nothing but a community instigator, with less than a couple of hundred days as a state senator (and hardly voted on anything, merely saying "present." That way those with blinders on wouldn't see what side of the issues he was on...... talk about using a procedural maneuver......

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Originally posted by Sinnthia

Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh
No she didn't. It was a veiled attack. I have read and responded to her enough to know where she lies in her beliefs.

Nope. Missed on every mark.


Keep trying.



...and let me EXPLAIN WHY.

The TEA Party was pretty specific about certain things while they were out all over the media over the last two years.

REPLY: True

"Protesting is patriotic, big corporations are bad, politicians are bad, big money + politics is super duper bad."
Am I wrong on any of that? Were these not key points of the TEA Party um...protests?

REPLY: FAIL. Tea Party participants didn't say corporations as a group are bad, 'nor big money (doesn't include Soros, does it?), but they DID say that overarching government is bad.

See because now, I hear this phone call between a politician and his out of state billionaire donor explaining plans to further erode the rights of mostly middle class Americans.
Am I wrong about that?

REPLY: Yep!

I actually asked because this is exactly what I am seeing and I would really appreciate some sort of clarity. I appreciate maybereals explanation as I feel it is probably more accurate and honest than one I will get from a self proclaimed TEA Party person, given your "response." So if any of your brethren can skip over that petty "I am going to respond to point out how you do not deserve a resoponse" crap you got a shovel full of, that would be nice. Not you though. Try call a friend or a street shout out because you seem to have left your credibility outside when you were loading up on empty insults. Thanks!

REPLY: Nope! I'm not a member of any tea party, although that's not a bad idea. See.... the tea party people are exactly like our founding fathers, who made a decision to get away from a corrupt government and make the needed changes to assure people individual liberty and freedom, exactly the opposite of what Liberals and Progressives want.

What's a "resoponse"?

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In his defense, guys. I have read enough of his posts to understand that he is truly doing the very best that he can.

Originally posted by zappafan1
See.... the tea party people are exactly like our founding fathers, who made a decision to get away from a corrupt government and make the needed changes to assure people individual liberty and freedom, exactly the opposite of what Liberals and Progressives want.

Maybe edit your posts with correct quote tags so we can better read your responses. I know they are confusing sometimes and I make the mistake myself on occassion. Just a heads up.

As far as the TP being like the founding fathers...it's a marketing pitch and a disproven one in every way.

The TP spokeswoman, Michelle Bachman thought John Adams, who died in 1826, was alive when Abe Lincoln abolished slavery.

And as far as the TP and the founding fathers wanting to " get away from a corrupt government" that seems just a bizzare claim to make in the same breath that you defend Gov. Walker talking about how he considered planting trouble makers in the protests while outlining his political plan to his Billionaire boss who gave him 3.5 Million to win the election.

Lord...that "get away from corruption" bit borders on insanity in this context.

Edit to clarify Lincoln/Adams

Both parties use these childish tactics, so for the dems to be "appalled" shows how hypocritical they are. As for Gov. Walker taking the bait and later saying he said nothing that he wouldn't say in public is a typical response (lie), but clearly erodes his credibility in the eyes of his opponents and his supporters. In my opinion, both parties should be spanked and sent to bed without supper. All of them are acting like spoiled children, so this would be an appropriate reprimand. The people running our country are deeply disturbed.

Originally posted by Erica1631
Both parties use these childish tactics, so for the dems to be "appalled" shows how hypocritical they are.

What tactics?

Entertaining the idea of planting protestors amongst the opposition in order to spur violence or discord allowing for a police crackdown?

Or working for the Koch brothers? It was a little terrifying how eager Walker sounds in this call..outlining his political plan and schemes...looking for approval from his boss. I just bet he bragged to his staff like a schoolgirl for the rest of the day how David Koch himself called him.

I am not a big fan of the dissmissive "they all do it...no big deal" defense.

They don't all do it. Not by a long shot and when they do they should be prosecuted...not excused.

Nothing right or left in that statement. Not tolerating corruption and dictator tactics should be something all Americans agree on, if not then we are thoroughly effed as a nation.

Originally posted by maybereal11

Originally posted by Erica1631
Both parties use these childish tactics, so for the dems to be "appalled" shows how hypocritical they are.

What tactics?

Entertaining the idea of planting protestors amongst the opposition in order to spur violence or discord allowing for a police crackdown?

Or working for the Koch brothers? It was a little terrifying how eager Walker sounds in this call..outlining his political plan and schemes...looking for approval from his boss. I just bet he bragged to his staff like a schoolgirl for the rest of the day how David Koch himself called him.

I am not a big fan of the dissmissive "they all do it...no big deal" defense.

They don't all do it. Not by a long shot and when they do they should be prosecuted...not excused.

Nothing right or left in that statement. Not tolerating corruption and dictator tactics should be something all Americans agree on, if not then we are thoroughly effed as a nation.

edit on 25-2-2011 by maybereal11 because: (no reason given)

Yeah, not like the Socialist Workers Party isn't planting operatives in the protest www.themilitant.com...

Originally posted by maybereal11

Originally posted by Erica1631
Both parties use these childish tactics, so for the dems to be "appalled" shows how hypocritical they are.

What tactics?

Entertaining the idea of planting protestors amongst the opposition in order to spur violence or discord allowing for a police crackdown?

Or working for the Koch brothers? It was a little terrifying how eager Walker sounds in this call..outlining his political plan and schemes...looking for approval from his boss. I just bet he bragged to his staff like a schoolgirl for the rest of the day how David Koch himself called him.

I am not a big fan of the dissmissive "they all do it...no big deal" defense.

They don't all do it. Not by a long shot and when they do they should be prosecuted...not excused.

Nothing right or left in that statement. Not tolerating corruption and dictator tactics should be something all Americans agree on, if not then we are thoroughly effed as a nation.

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And then there's this report from the Daily Caller:
dailycaller.com...

February 25, 2011 Communists, socialists rallying support behind Madison protests
By John Rossomando - The Daily Caller | Published: 1:27 PM 02/25/2011 | Updated

Read more: dailycaller.com...

"Communist and socialist groups — including the Maoist Revolutionary Communist Party, the Communist Party USA, Trotskyist Socialist Workers Party and the Democratic Socialists of America — are voicing their support for the public-sector unions protesting Wisconsin Republican Gov. Scott Walker’s plans to curtail their collective bargaining abilities.

The communist and socialist groups have parroted many of the union talking points being used by the unions on their websites and in their publications, such as those accusing the governor of trying to break their unions.



Read more: dailycaller.com...

Wow, third eye, you're STILL on here trying to conflate Jimmy Hoffa with firefighters and teachers?

Originally posted by inkyminds
Wow, third eye, you're STILL on here trying to conflate Jimmy Hoffa with firefighters and teachers?

When did I ever mention Jimmy Hoffa? No, you did that all by your little ol self. But now that you mention it....
Hoffa was mafia connections. I've been concentrating on the communist/socialist aspect of it. There is also a secret society aspect of it...Professor Antony Sutton talks about Skull and Bones...
www.american-buddha.com...

relevant links and research:

www.crossroad.to...

Originally posted by inkyminds

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus


How quickly the liberals have forgotten the whole prank ACORN sting where they caught the ACORN worker helping to set up a prostitution biz. LOL

THIS is why ATS drowns in deflectionary nonsense. An off-topic, partisan, pointlessly distractionary post like this has no business in this thread, as it doesn't relate to the topic AT ALL.

All it takes is one infiltrator like third eye and he can bury all reasonable arguments and those pesky facts'.

Just scream UNION THUG COMMUNIST ACORN MUSLIM NAZI! Staff won't do a thing about it, even if reported.

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An infiltrator lol that's really funny. Please see my latest post on Antony Sutton, Skull and Bones, Hegelian Dialectic, and NEA and then tell me who's infiltrating what and who is genuinely exposing the NWO. I am beginning to think that you are not here to expose the NWO but to call people you disagree with petty names. In terms of understanding the nature of the NWO I'm pretty much running circles around you. At least I have bothered to do genuine research ( for many years in fact) to back up what I say. What I hear you saying is that I do not get to have my opinion but you do.
For added reference I will include a list of books written by Professor Sutton. It's really quite extensive, and you will see if you would try a bit of honesty, that he really does know what he is talking about. The control of education dovetails entirely with the NEA(teachers union)
So heres the list:
•Western Technology and Soviet Economic Development: 1917-1930 (1968)
•Western Technology and Soviet Economic Development: 1930-1945 (1971)
•Western Technology and Soviet Economic Development: 1945-1965 (1973)
•National Suicide: Military Aid to the Soviet Union (1973)
•What Is Libertarianism? (1973)
•Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution (1974, 1999)
•Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler (1976, 1999)
•Wall Street and FDR (1976, 1999)
•The War on Gold: How to Profit from the Gold Crisis (1977)
•Energy: The Created Crisis (1979)
•The Diamond Connection: A manual for investors (1979)
•Trilaterals Over Washington - Volume I (1979; with Patrick M. Wood)
•Trilaterals Over Washington - Volume II (1980; with Patrick M. Wood)
•Gold vs Paper: A cartoon history of inflation (1981)
•Investing in Platinum Metals (1982)
•Technological Treason: A catalog of U.S. firms with Soviet contracts, 1917-1982 (1982)
•America's Secret Establishment: An Introduction to the Order of Skull & Bones (1983, 1986, 2002)
•How the Order Creates War and Revolution (1985)
•How the Order Controls Education (1985)
•The Best Enemy Money Can Buy (1986)
•The Two Faces of George Bush (1988)
•The Federal Reserve Conspiracy (1995)
•Trilaterals Over America (1995)
•Cold Fusion: Secret Energy Revolution (1997)
•Gold For Survival (1999)

For those of you who, in addition to calling me shill, infiltrator and other abhorrent things, have accused me of derailing this thread by exposing the base of the protests, I will post more directly on the nature of the prank call, which is really just a derailment of Walker's intent to take a stand on this.
It now has come out that the tape was misconstrued and Walker's words taken out of context. Philip Klein for "American Spectator" says that the blogger Jonathon Chait has in fact had to change his posting, acknowledging that the original transciption was misleading. Here's his updated version of his post.: www.tnr.com...

Here is the piece by American Spectator: spectator.org...

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Wow they corrected the whole "mika brzezinski is a piece of -" part huh.

Well that really changes everything.

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You're making a huge deal out of the "corrected" transcript? The only correction apparently was walker saying "oh yeah" before the fake Koch's comment about Mika and her a**. (he was transcribed as having said that after the fake Koch's comment).

That's hardly a game changer. The recording itself of course hasn't been altered, and that's most are going by (and these things should always be checked out).

To me it's a moot point, it hardly changes anything. It doesn't change the fact that Walker jumped at the chance to talk to his corporate master, admitted he had thought about planting troublemakers (but only held off as it might cause voters to push him to resolve the mess), it doesn't change the fact that Walker admitted that this was always about busting the unions and stripping workers of their right to collective bargaining, and was never about budgets. He proved it wasn't about budgets when he handed his corporate friends additional tax breaks.

I can never understand how many of our right wing friends here on ATS somehow think it is OK for the governor of a state to plant instigators in the middle of politically rallies to cause harm to others; or how it is okay for the Governor of a state to be more worried about the approval of a billionaire conservative activist rather than the citizens of his state.

If this were a conversation between say Barack Obama and George Soros; we would never see the end of it. It's so sad to see you Tea Party right wingers get duped by the GOP--you are being played like a fiddle.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by inkyminds

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus


How quickly the liberals have forgotten the whole prank ACORN sting where they caught the ACORN worker helping to set up a prostitution biz. LOL

THIS is why ATS drowns in deflectionary nonsense. An off-topic, partisan, pointlessly distractionary post like this has no business in this thread, as it doesn't relate to the topic AT ALL.

All it takes is one infiltrator like third eye and he can bury all reasonable arguments and those pesky facts'.

Just scream UNION THUG COMMUNIST ACORN MUSLIM NAZI! Staff won't do a thing about it, even if reported.

edit on 25-2-2011 by inkyminds because: (no reason given)

An infiltrator lol that's really funny. Please see my latest post on Antony Sutton, Skull and Bones, Hegelian Dialectic, and NEA and then tell me who's infiltrating what and who is genuinely exposing the NWO.

Yes, those radical union members wanting to get the pensions they paid into 100% are SO part of the "NWO'.

And Governor Walker, who wants to make Wisconsin another tax-free playground for the ultra rich? No "NWO" there, I guess.

Originally posted by zcflint05
I can never understand how many of our right wing friends here on ATS somehow think it is OK for the governor of a state to plant instigators in the middle of politically rallies to cause harm to others; or how it is okay for the Governor of a state to be more worried about the approval of a billionaire conservative activist rather than the citizens of his state.

If this were a conversation between say Barack Obama and George Soros; we would never see the end of it. It's so sad to see you Tea Party right wingers get duped by the GOP--you are being played like a fiddle.

It's the EXACT same template from the Clinton years. The right wing steps into the background for a few years and allows a 'liberal' (ha) like Clinton pass all THEIR legislation, like NAFTA, and finish THEIR wars like Iraq (part 1).

Then, to keep their own social-conservative demographic tuned in, they feed them all these conspiracy theories about how far-left Clinton is going to surrender our sovereignty to the UN (remember all the talk of 'black helicopters?--we were supposed to be taken over ANY DAY).

Then, when it comes time for an election, all these 'freedom fighters' line up to vote, support, and champion yet another neo-con like Bush Jr..

Then, when his policies completely bankrupt the country, these very same 'freedom fighters' all claim they never supported the guy, because they are 'Libertarians".

It will be fun see them all line up to support YET ANOTHER Big Spending neo-con com 2012 (or more likely 2016).