Abortion, Genocide, what’s THE difference?!?!?!?!?.... do you condone murder???

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When does life realy start ? Heres a thought The ovum or egg is dormant (lifeless) for a short

time within the uterus of a woman. The sperm must be the begining of life because they swim

like Olympic champions to reach the egg (still lifeless). And medically speaking they can be

active for three to seven days, so therefor sperm must be the actual begining of life !

Originally posted by eletheia
reply to post by wheresthebody

 

When does life realy start ? Heres a thought The ovum or egg is dormant (lifeless) for a short

time within the uterus of a woman. The sperm must be the begining of life because they swim

like Olympic champions to reach the egg (still lifeless). And medically speaking they can be

active for three to seven days, so therefor sperm must be the actual begining of life !

LOL...I hope that was a joke.

"sperm must be the beginning of life because they swim."


I strongly recomend a biology course...I just posted a source to a biology book...you might want to go read.

Originally posted by wheresthebody
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i think its just fundamentally wrong to force anyone's will on another persons body

We are talking about someone who willingly laid down and participated in the sexual act and knows that this is a cause and the effect of the cause is pregnancy.

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what you said in no way invalidates my statement regarding forcing ones will on another being fundamentally wrong

Originally posted by wheresthebody
reply to post by LeoVirgo

 

what you said in no way invalidates my statement regarding forcing ones will on another being fundamentally wrong

Does forcing ones will - - - also include forcing ones god belief in condemning abortion?

When you state "fundamentally" wrong - - how far does that go?

Originally posted by wheresthebody
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what you said in no way invalidates my statement regarding forcing ones will on another being fundamentally wrong

Well it just so happens that the 'offspring' growing inside the woman is not solely hers....if it was solely hers...then the man should not have to pay support.

Life is not fair all the time and that is just part of being a woman in that females are the ones that can carry the baby. Its not the mans fault that he cant carry the baby and also then have the right to make the choice if the baby gets a life or not.

Suck it up buttercup...at least someone is willing to give a damn about the 'creation' and claim the consequences for the action.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by wheresthebody
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what you said in no way invalidates my statement regarding forcing ones will on another being fundamentally wrong

Does forcing ones will - - - also include forcing ones god belief in condemning abortion?

When you state "fundamentally" wrong - - how far does that go?

someone forcing their own will, or what they perceive as their gods will would be on par i would say

and sorry, but im not quite sure what you mean in the next question

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nevermind

this will get redundant fast

its like showing card tricks to a dog

Originally posted by wheresthebody
reply to post by LeoVirgo

 

to quote bill hicks "its like showing card tricks to a dog"

And your point?

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Sperm moves (swims) and since they are cells they are ALIVE they are however haploid

(half the number of chromosomes as somatic cells) not enough to create human life on their

own, but many living things can reproduce with haploid # of chromosomes, many insects for

example.



FROM WIKIPEDIA - TALK SPERM

SPERM ARE LIVING AUTONOMOUS CELLS THEY'RE JUST AS 'ALIVE' AS YOUR RED

BLOOD CELLS.


And thats ALL i will be saying on the matter

Originally posted by wheresthebody
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what you said in no way invalidates my statement regarding forcing ones will on another being fundamentally wrong

I get that and I agree. Which is why I find it even worse to force a person's will on a younger human who has no legal discourse to follow and no forms to fill out to petition for its own life. I will freely admit that the notion of carrying a baby to term against the will of the mother is, indeed, lame but... the alternative is death to a fellow human.

I think the rights to survive trumps the rights to convenience. Of course, most of the people who are against it are the same ones who want to take welfare away from single mothers so the hypocrisy in this arena is rich.

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SPERM ARE LIVING AUTONOMOUS CELLS THEY'RE JUST AS 'ALIVE' AS YOUR RED

BLOOD CELLS.


And thats ALL i will be saying on the matter

Agreed...but they aren't the "beginning" of new life.

They are an extension of the man's body...just as if some of his red blood cells dripped out of a cut.

The "beginning" of new life is at fertilization....scientific fact.

Originally posted by MindSpin
But you accuse me of being a hypocrite for admitting that human life is more valued to me than other life.

And then you say you love eating animals, even though all life is precious to you

Never did I say all life was precious to me. I said all life is life. All life dies. I respect all life, and would never harm another living creature out of cruelty. Being alive on this planet pretty much means you have to consume other living things.

Whether you admit it or not...you do place more value on a human life than you do other life. Or do you eat humans as well as cows? Should be no different right? Life is life...so there should be no problem with eating humans.

There are many animals I eat, and many I do not eat. I don't measure value by whether or not I would eat something. Eating a human does not sound appetizing to me, nor does eating a dog, a cat, or a horse to name just a few.

Ummmm....because that is kind of the whole debate with abortion...where have you been???

Oh, you're telling us what the whole debate with abortion is about now. Thanks for telling us what you've decided it is.

Is a tadpole a frog?

Not yet. Also, a tadpole is self sufficient. Freshly fertilized frog eggs are neither tadpoles nor frogs, but will become both eventually.

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Never did I say all life was precious to me. I said all life is life. All life dies. I respect all life, and would never harm another living creature out of cruelty. Being alive on this planet pretty much means you have to consume other living things.

And never did I say all life was precious to me...I fully admit that human life takes precedence over all other life. But for some reason...you keep trying to create that Strawman that I think all life should be treated the same.

Not yet. Also, a tadpole is self sufficient. Freshly fertilized frog eggs are neither tadpoles nor frogs, but will become both eventually.

A tadpole is the early developmental stage of a frog...it is a very very young frog. It has the exact same DNA as a tadpole as it will have as an adult frog.

The way that you will willingly ignore science to desperately hang on to your indefensible argument is humorous to watch...please continue.

Yet I bet most of the anti-abortion lot couldn't give a rats tail when their governments blow up a school in the middle of some country they've never heard of... So hypocritical and self righteous.

Lets play a game called "WOULD YOU RATHER!?!?!?!"

Okay, contestants, here are your first WYR choices!

Subject: Woman doesn't want to have the baby.

Answers:

1. Woman goes on a self-destructive streak to try and terminate baby, by means of alcohol, drugs, physical abuse, but as a result of karma, (or whatever superstitious force you happen to believe in) the baby comes out retarded and his/her quality of life is below any of us?

2. Woman goes to the abortion clinic where the baby is then aborted and she moves on with her life.

Come to think of it though, apart of me wants to believe that you don't care for the abortion debate...You seem more of the type whom would pick probably the MOST debatable, argue invoking, antagonizing subject with a thousand or so replies to either...
A. Stroke your epeen
B. Get your post count up

...
The gig is up, sally.

Originally posted by abaraikenshi
Subject: Woman doesn't want to have the baby.

Answers:

1. Woman goes on a self-destructive streak to try and terminate baby, by means of alcohol, drugs, physical abuse, but as a result of karma, (or whatever superstitious force you happen to believe in) the baby comes out retarded and his/her quality of life is below any of us?

2. Woman goes to the abortion clinic where the baby is then aborted and she moves on with her life.

Clearly the only options...

Originally posted by SevenBeans

Originally posted by abaraikenshi
Subject: Woman doesn't want to have the baby.

Answers:

1. Woman goes on a self-destructive streak to try and terminate baby, by means of alcohol, drugs, physical abuse, but as a result of karma, (or whatever superstitious force you happen to believe in) the baby comes out retarded and his/her quality of life is below any of us?

2. Woman goes to the abortion clinic where the baby is then aborted and she moves on with her life.

Clearly the only options...

Of course there are other options, genius...Coincidentally, there just MAY...and I'm going out on a hunch here, MAY be a woman who does NOT want to go through the child birthing stage in their life which leaves but 1 choice, can you guess it!?! *Flaps arms wildly through the air* tada! Abortion! Telling her she can put it up for adoption wouldn't hold any merit if she didn't want to go through with the pregnancy.

Besides, some speculate that being pregnant and having the baby after 9 long, grueling months could be worse emotionally than to abort it.

Originally posted by abaraikenshi
Of course there are other options, genius...Coincidentally, there just MAY...and I'm going out on a hunch here, MAY be a woman who does NOT want to go through the child birthing stage in their life which leaves but 1 choice, can you guess it!?! *Flaps arms wildly through the air* tada! Abortion! Telling her she can put it up for adoption wouldn't hold any merit if she didn't want to go through with the pregnancy.

Actually there is another choice, it's called acting responsibly (ie. doing something even though you'd rather not, crazy concept I know, but most adults are very familiar with it).

The only way I will ever take a stand to deny a woman an abortion is if she was a willing participant in the act and in the sole event that she is in full control of her capabilities and capacities, ie if she dropped her pants and was penetrated willingly then she must keep the kid but if her pants were ripped off of her against her will she should have every right to get one.

The draconian Nazi policies of the GOP are now coming into view. They need to go away, what's next, denying a woman the right to get a rape kit done or making her finance that?

The Neo Nazi GOP side has finally been exposed and revealed for what it truly is, the insessiant destruction of individual liberty, freedom and rights of women.

Consensual Sex is defined legally as two consenting adults being both in the right frame of mind and not under the influence of narcotics, alcohol or external influence (this includes the placing of a date rape drug or other sedative meant to inhibit someone's intuition) engaging in a sexual encounter.

Some could say and actually walk on that if one partner is inebriated, intoxicated that the individual cannot legally consent to sex.

In matters of forced rape and incest a female should be allowed to have an abortion as she was not a willing participant in the act.

If the parent is unable to provide the life that all kids deserve then she should be allowed to abort especially if she cannot provide for the kid. No adoptions for then due to the fact that at their 18th bday th records become unsealed and they start questioning why weren't they good enough that typically turns a typically happy and upbeat person into a depressed drug abuser because they feel like they are worthless as their own mother did not want them. Just something imho that should be avoided whenever possible.

Law states that it is not classified as a person until the begining of the third trimester.