Abortion, Genocide, what’s THE difference?!?!?!?!?.... do you condone murder???

Originally posted by Fox Molder
Under law...She was not and exactly for that reason....A fetus is not a child!!! And believe it or not I agree with that law !!!

Right a fetus is not a child but her actions still caused enormous suffering, this kind of neglect and abuse should be severely punished.

If someone other than the Mother had caused these inuries to the unborn child their would be serious legal consequences. Why treat the Mother differently than anyone else?

reply to post by MindSpin


I did not post to be informed by you of your pity, but to give another perspective. In those days, in California, abortion was pushed. It was pushed on me by my family, the church, my employer, the unemployment office and my welfare case worker. It took an enormous amount of intent to continue my pregnancy.

I disgust you? Get in line! I do not need your forgiveness or acceptance for making a discision not to carry a child molester's offspring again.

My daughter is a 36 year old athiest, with a PHD in Immunology, Bio-chemistry, Micro-biology and Genetic Engineering. She is well aware that her sibling was aborted, when she was less than 2 years old. She doesn't see things the way you do, but she is painfully aware of ignorant bigotry.

I do believe that the quality of her life would have been very different if I had made another choice. I beleive in quality, not abundance.

By the way, "fetus" is the correct medical term!

reply to post by Annee

You see? These are the kind of nasty responses when I say: MANDATORY PATERNAL DNA TESTING.

No where did I mention in that post anything about the woman aborting the child.

The post was about being responsible for a living child.

Men are so predictable.

Oh, you are dodging the question (women are so predictable ).

Women have a "choice" to decide if they want to be responsible for getting pregnant....RIGHT?

Where is the man's "choice" to decide if he wants to be responsible for getting someone pregnant???


Try to stick to the question at hand and not dodge it.

reply to post by windword

By the way, "fetus" is the correct medical term!

Whatever allows you to sleep better at night.


I'm glad the daughter you allowed to live is doing well in life...I wonder what her sister could of accomplished???

reply to post by MindSpin


I kinda wish your mother used a condom just a little more frequently...

reply to post by MindSpin


I am not dodging anything. I knew what kind of response I would get when I posted that I support Mandatory Paternal DNA testing.

Thank you for ablidging.

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As women have been told for ions and still today: "you picked the wrong man to have a baby with - its your fault and your problem".

So men - - if you wisely pick the right woman - - I'm sure she'll be happy to discuss with you on how to proceed with the news of a "little one" on the way.

Its your fault and your problem -- if you don't.

reply to post by kevinunknown


Honestly I agree that abortion should not ever be used as a form of birth control. But imagine a 16 year old girl who uses drugs, comes from a poor background and has no resources (or the maturity) to properly care for a child becomes pregnant. Do you think that child deserves the awful life it may have ahead of it? All I can say is that if it were me, I'd rather be terminated than BORN with a crack addiction, have no legitimate caretaker and possibly suffer abuse.

reply to post by MindSpin


I wonder, what the people who perished in Hiroshima and Nagasaki would have accomplished? I wonder, what all the people who perished in Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Panama, Cuba, Afghanistan would have accomplished?

Hey, you are the one compairing abortion to genocide.

We will never know what is not to be or what never was.

As a rational person who lives in the real world and not some world made up by a lot of story tellers who wanted you to behave and give them your money, you bet I condone murder.

Sometimes in this life, that other person/baby/animal/whatever just has to die so I can live.

And someday it will be my turn. I'll be dead. Just like that. What did you think life was all about, anyway?

reply to post by Annee


So, you are still dodging...where is the man's choice???

Or was it hidden in there as a way to say his choice is BEFORE he has sex???


Cause you do know women have that same choice....right??? So why do women get a secondary choice that men don't get???

Originally posted by windword
reply to post by MindSpin

 

I wonder, what the people who perished in Hiroshima and Nagasaki would have accomplished? I wonder, what all the people who perished in Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Panama, Cuba, Aphganistan would have accomplished?

Hey, you are the one compairing abortion to genocide.

We will never know what is not to be or what never was.

So you are comparing aborted babies to people who died in war????

I'm not following you....exactly what point are you trying to make?

And I didn't compare abortion to genocide...the OP did. I agree with the OPs reasoning...not really that it equals the dictionary definition of genocide...but I udnerstand where he is coming from.

Originally posted by worlds_away
reply to post by MindSpin

 

I kinda wish your mother used a condom just a little more frequently...

Oh, I'm sorry...you don't like me reminding everyone that abortion is killing babies.

It'd be better if we just didn't talk about it huh? Just ignore it and pretend that thousands of babies are killed everyday (last I looked it was about 3,500 a day) because a women is too selfish to take responsibility for her own actions???


Sorry...I don't excuse murdering babies becaus a women is selfish.

Originally posted by Annee
I am not dodging anything. I knew what kind of response I would get when I posted that I support Mandatory Paternal DNA testing.

I don't really get this idea of yours, what exactly is your proposal?

When a woman has a baby mandate that a paternity test be done with everyone she had sex with around the time of conception?

Only require the test with the person she claims is the father?

I guess it makes some sense if you're going to force someone to pay a big chunk of their paycheck for 20 years under threat of jail, you should probably be sure that it's the right guy.

In any case, it completely defies logic to hold one person responsible under threat of jail for the results of another person's unilateral choices (and since the law has defined the creation of a baby as the result of a woman's unilateral choice... it makes no sense to hold men equally responsible).

"My body, my choice, our responsibility" is the mantra of a petulant brat (sad that so many people have been brainwashed into this way of thinking).

reply to post by Annee


There a are more men than women who are "pro-choice".

www.cbsnews.com...

I find it disturbing how so many pro-choicers use the reasoning of "it's not your child, mind your own business" to justify abortion. Not everyone is a self-serving narcissist who doesn't care about the murder of anyone who isn't personally associated to them.

As a female, I feel personally offended by pro-choicers who treat women like they are helpless children who are incapable of understanding the consequences of their actions. A woman who makes the choice to have sex and ends up pregnant is not by any means a victim. She made a choice to take a risk, fully aware of the consequences. No one is "forcing" her to carry a child to term. The government took no part in impregnating her. She got herself pregnant. There are only TWO people responsible for that pregnancy. The concept of an "unwanted pregnancy" is downright silly. You don't want to get pregnant? Either keep your legs shut or get sterilized. Every time you have sex, protection or none, you are risking pregnancy. There is no excuse for aborting a baby that resulted from consensual sex. Sex and reproduction go hand in hand...there's no way around it. Be an adult and take responsibility for your actions. Stop blaming others for your poor choices.

The rape argument is just a fallback argument used by pro-abortionists in order to try to stir up emotions. It doesn't hold much water because over 90% of abortions are done out of convienence. The funny thing is, most pro-choicers would want the protection of the rapist while condoning the murder of the child. I've never been raped, but one thing I can say for a fact is that if I was, I would certainly want the rapist dead and certainly couldn't deal with the guilt of an abortion. But no...pro-choicers value the life of the rapist too much.

Originally posted by MindSpin
reply to post by Annee

 

So, you are still dodging...where is the man's choice???

Awwwwwwwww - - you don't like my answer. I'm so surprised.

You didn't answer my question on Mandatory Paternal DNA Testing. Oh wait! You did - - you responded I was a hypocrite.

Here's the deal - - in these modern times - - there is zero reason for any woman to tell a man she is pregnant - - if it even gets that far with the RU486 available in most places over the counter.

I fully support Free Government abortions to everyone who wants one.We can start taxing churches and use that extra income to pay for them.

So if a woman does tell a man she is pregnant - - - why is she telling him? Does she want to hear he wants the child? If so - - then that would weigh very heavy on the man's response. I'd say - - the statistics on that response - - unless you are married or in a very committed relationship - - - is not going to be jumping up and down with joy.

So here's what you do: You get a contract drawn up. One that says if the woman becomes pregnant - - you want her to come to term - - - and you will take full responsibility for the child. Make sure you have every woman you even think of having sex with sign it first. Now - - if the woman is smart - - she will also have a contract drawn up that legally absolves her from any financial responsibility for life. Of course - - I do believe you have to have a contract for every state - - because I don't think it would be legal if she went across the state line.

So there you go. You make a contract with the woman first - - - to make sure you have your "fatherly" rights.

OR - - you could "pick the right woman in the first place".

reply to post by Annee


Wow...you have clearly let emotions take over your thoughts...I know this because there is not one shred of logic in your post.


Speak plainly and clearly...what exactly are you proposing...I don't think anyone can follow your emotional ranting. All I got out of that is that you want to tax churches to pay for abortions and that you want to have contracts signed before sex....double

Please try again, be clear and concise please.

Originally posted by HarmonicNights
reply to post by Annee

 

There a are more men than women who are "pro-choice".

I knew a man who's job it was to design and implement polls.

And that is all I'm gonna say on that.

I am surmising that the OP is male, if so he has no idea about a woman and an unwanted pregnancy.

Men are not left holding the baby, they can walk away without a care in the world.

Before abortions were legal many women used back street abortionists and died.

Why don't men put something on the end of it until they know they are in a long term relatioship?

Saying that I don't agree with abortion for something like a hare lip or club foot.

Until men take responsibility women will have abortions.

Originally posted by MindSpin
reply to post by Annee

 

Wow...you have clearly let emotions take over your thoughts...I know this because there is not one shred of logic in your post.

There are no emotions in that post. I you are reading emotions into it - - - they are your emotions.

You're hilarious. I'm not giving you the response you want - - - so its "not worthy". (couldn't resist)

Originally posted by Annee

I knew a man who's job it was to design and implement polls.

And that is all I'm gonna say on that.

I knew a woman who's job it was to design and implement polls.

And that is all I'm gonna say on that.

I guess both of these posts are kind of pointless huh?