Abortion, Genocide, what’s THE difference?!?!?!?!?.... do you condone murder???

Originally posted by kevinunknown
reply to post by Annee

 

Yeah with a man’s child.

Don't be so sure of that kevin.......Science has the ability to faze us men out of the reproduction equation, Synthetic sperm is now a possibility plus....It could be kept at a sperm bank.....What is the abortion considered now ???

reply to post by Fox Molder


I am not a liberal, in fact I support the suppression of human rights to benefit society.

The symbiont should be granted the same rights as all men, as the symbiont is self aware, has a soul, a heartbeat and can survive out with the womb stop calling the child the “symbiont”. You are trying to dehumanise the child to justify the murder of the child.

The first trimester involves body human robotics forming. The second trimester is consciousness forming. The third is becoming viable, though premies births happen often.

I fully support freedom of choice in the first trimester only, as done in Canada. I do not support, cutting apart a conscious being from the second trimester on and feel this was allowed due to the Masons and Human Sacrifice Group running the show, bringing in their entities through their stargates.

Education on these matters helps.

For the record, all my life even as a young child, I remember, and have had dreams of shooting into my mothers womb like a shooting star, Light!!!! And then seeing this dark warm snuggly place. This was not the first trimester!

reply to post by Annee


I am a woman!

It makes no difference.

reply to post by Fox Molder


Any woman who is using a sperm bank or artificial sperm (a new one to me admittedly) is obviously wanting a child and would not have the child aborted unless it became apparent that the mother might die as a result of the pregnancy.

Originally posted by geekyone
reply to post by Annee

 

I am a woman!

It makes no difference.

I did not say there weren't women posting in threads that are anti-abortion.

That is not what I said.

Originally posted by kevinunknown
reply to post by Fox Molder

 

I am not a liberal, in fact I support the suppression of human rights to benefit society.

The symbiont should be granted the same rights as all men, as the symbiont is self aware, has a soul, a heartbeat and can survive out with the womb stop calling the child the “symbiont”. You are trying to dehumanise the child to justify the murder of the child.

PS...Having a soul is a religious view, I'm an Atheist thus that part completely is irrelevant to me. As for the symbiont name, please look it up and you will notice that a fetus is just that in biological terms. But...For your enjoyment I will call it a human symbiont.

Suppression of human rights for the better of society....Wow last person that stated that out loud was shot himself in a bunker.

reply to post by kevinunknown


Maybe you should take a quick look at this thread. www.abovetopsecret.com... If its really none of your business what other people do why do you try to make it so?

MOTF!

Abortion Topic + ATS = Points....

Nothing new to see here.

Same old argument.

Yawn!!!

Originally posted by kevinunknown
reply to post by Fox Molder

 

Any woman who is using a sperm bank or artificial sperm (a new one to me admittedly) is obviously wanting a child and would not have the child aborted unless it became apparent that the mother might die as a result of the pregnancy.

Or that trouble during the pregnancy could ultimately limit that child's ability to develop fully and to his full potential !

Plus...you just admitted to a condition to witch you would approve abortion" have the child aborted unless it became apparent that the mother might die as a result of the pregnancy." Isn't that in itself self absorbed and egotistical ? Shouldn't a mother be ready to make the ultimate sacrifice so that a new life can be born ?

reply to post by MessOnTheFED!


I regard it as my business to defend my fellow man. If I saw a group attack a man on a street, I would attempt to intervene although it is none of my business in order to defend my fellow man.

reply to post by Fox Molder


That man was also a fan of eugenics.....

reply to post by kevinunknown


Oh yeah and the synthetic sperm thing...I truly hope that you look it up because you know what the next thing is, synthetic ovaries and synthetic womb ...... Will that "baby" have rights too, will that baby be human ?

reply to post by Fox Molder


I know this might sound a bit ignorant considering I have admitted to knowing about this topic of synthetic sperm and ovaries, but I disagree with it. sounds too much like man playing God, and I don’t see a need for it.

Originally posted by kevinunknown
reply to post by Fox Molder

 

I know this might sound a bit ignorant considering I have admitted to knowing about this topic of synthetic sperm and ovaries, but I disagree with it. sounds too much like man playing God, and I don’t see a need for it.

Please look it up...Very interesting subject. And....With a religious look on it, I way why not, according to the bible, man was created in his image! Thus giving man the ability to create life. I see no problem with it. Ahhhh Science......What a wonderful thing !

reply to post by kevinunknown


I hear you man. But in this case it isn't any of your business. I woul rather abortions be legal and safer than them being illegal and happening in some scheisty back room somewhere. Because, lets face it, no ammount of bitching will make it stop.

MOTF!

Oh aren't we altruistic when it comes to a woman's unborn fetus!? We promote war, and make examples of our enemies whether in effigy or in "shock and awe". (Hiroshima anybody) As we make killing machines from robots, and watching war porn on TV, you are on your soapbox about our uteri! How convienent it is to confuse unborn human life with exisiting human life. And I don't believe human life really IS more sacred than any living creature. (Help me out PETA) How pious of you!

When I was 17, my parents became aware that I had a boyfriend and was not a virgin. My parents disowned me and threw me out on the street. I moved in with my older boyfriend. I got pregnant and in California, at that time, was a legal reason for my employer to fire me. My "born again" christian parents tried to force me to have an abortion, as I was only 17, because of shame. I refused. I applied for unemployment, because I lost my job, and was denied because pregancy was considered a choice, and I was therefore, disqualified. So, I went on welfare.

I can't tell you the negative and shamefull stigma that followed me and my daughter for years; The dirty looks for using food stamps at the store; The brutal repremand from nurses and doctors. Teachers and parents who treated me and my daughter like dirt. I couldn't believe the shunning hatred my daughter had to endure in gradeschool.

When I walked in on my daughter's father having "sex" with my daughter, I left him. I was 19. When I found out I was pregnant, again with his fetus, I opted to terminate. I knew I couldn't bear to go through that again, and, I didn't want to be connected by another child to this man. I made a choice for life. My life and my daughter's life.

I don't care why somebody seeks to terminate. I have already endured more judgement than you could ever put out on this treaad. I think everyone has the right to choose life, their life!

We have fought against nature from the beginning of time. We will not be victimized by nature. We made clothing, shelter, medicine, learned animal husbandry and agriculture. We created dams and aquafiers. Learned to make energy and vehichles that could fly! Remembe the arguement: "If god wanted us to fly, he would given us wings?

I reject ALL religious arguments on this subject as pious and judgementaly imbigious and hypocritical. If life is so sacred, why are people trying to deny health insurance and vital human resources. Why don't we work on helping the living and not worry so much about what a woman decides is best for her current life situation.

Sorry if this is disjointed, but this attitude by the OP makes me soooo mad. Stay away from our uteri!
GRRRRRRR!

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by kevinunknown

 

1. Genocide

the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group

You are incorrect about genocide. Words mean things.

2. If you are against abortion, don't get one. Other women's medical condition and choices are NONE of your business.

I have to agree totally with BH here. I do not believe in abortion and would never get one......but being a Man myself I dont think it wil ever be an issue

As for women.......who am I to tell ANYONE what they can or cannot do with their own bodies?

reply to post by windword


I am just as strongly opposed to the lack of support. We need to be there for those women who do not terminate. I have helped someone and offered to take her (unborn) child into my family, either as a temporary or permanent measure. She went on to have the child who is very much wanted now.

Even after all you have been through I am sure that you cannot imagine not having your daughter in your life.

Originally posted by kevinunknown

The rape argument I think is irrelevant, it’s very rare for a raped woman to become pregnant and even if she dose why should her innocent child have to be murdered. A child is innocent regardless of how he or she is conceived and there is no pressure on the mother to raise the child.

I mean you can all fluff this up all you like, make me out to be some kind of monster for saying that a raped woman should have the child of her rapist. But you are all defending Abortion and using the rape argument to justify your views that if a woman chooses to she can kill her child anytime in the first 24 weeks of her pregnancy.

Let’s take the rape out of the argument, say some 23 year old girl goes out and has casual sex as a result of this she becomes pregnant, the birth of this child is drastically going to change her life. So she thinks about this for 10 weeks and then goes for a abortion because this child is going to be such a inconvenience. That is probably the reality of 98% of all abortions, its murder for connivance do you all defend that.

The “What if its rape” argument is just a way for the evil people who defend abortion to make the righteous amongst us who defend a Childs right to life appear to be a evil as they are. I am not condoning rape, but you are using the act of rape to condone the murder of children. That makes you the monster not me.

"Let's take rape out of the argument" - no let's not. That right there is just a way of you trying to further your stupid narrow minded ignorant belief by ignoring huge factors regarding the argument in favour of allowing abortion as a choice.

Show me some of your useless stats to prove your claims that the rate of pregnancy from rape is low if you want, the FACT still remains that "what if it's rape" is a huge issue associated to this subject that you now want to sweep under the carpet and ignore to justify your stupid posts.

I'm angry that someone can be so narrow minded and you clearly have zero experience on the matter.

Take your stupid comparison to genocide out of the argument, because you was so far off with that claim that it doesn't even warrant discussion. Much like most of your posts and th equally as ignorant Mindspins posts.

Twisted ignorant arrogant comments that really aren't welcome.