Iranian Naval Vessels Enter Suez Canal

reply to post by OldCorp

Iran is banned by UN resolution from transporting weapons, especially to terrorist groups like it's Lebanese proxy Hezbollah. Intelligence indicates that the Iranian cargo ship is carrying long-range missiles destined for Hezbollah, to use against Israeli civilians.

So once they are in the Med, surrounded by the 6th Fleet , what do you think the chances are that they will be boarded? What if these weapons are found? You gonna change your tune?

Is that resolution still in force?
BTW, the UN is BS..If it were trully democratic it would be Israel getting searched and inspected on a dailly basis..
Though ATM it seems fine that they are merely "storing" $billions of US weapons on Israeli soil..

Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by OldCorp

 

Iran is banned by UN resolution from transporting weapons, especially to terrorist groups like it's Lebanese proxy Hezbollah. Intelligence indicates that the Iranian cargo ship is carrying long-range missiles destined for Hezbollah, to use against Israeli civilians.

So once they are in the Med, surrounded by the 6th Fleet , what do you think the chances are that they will be boarded? What if these weapons are found? You gonna change your tune?

Is that resolution still in force?
BTW, the UN is BS..If it were trully democratic it would be Israel getting searched and inspected on a dailly basis..
Though ATM it seems fine that they are merely "storing" $billions of US weapons on Israeli soil..

Considering the number of UN Resolutions Isreal routinely violates and the fact that they tend to murder U.N. Special Envoys, makes the UN not only a teethless organization but a joke when you consider it's really just the 5 permanent members of the Security Council that ultimately have a say.

It's all show and very little go when it comes to the U.N.

Still avoiding the question I see.

Goodnight sweetheart. Enjoy living in Melgibsonland.

WHAT UN? Isn't that the same organization that good old George W.Bush and Tony Blair gave the finger sign to when they invaded Iraq even though this UN told them not to?

If George and Tony didnt follow the UN's resolution and got away with this disgusting act causing the lives of millions, what makes the Persians different?

The so called "leaders" where the ones who set an ugly example so they should be the one to take the blame...

Sadly at the end of the day and when the blaming part is over and war begins...its still us simple people whose going to suffer again.

reply to post by OldCorp

I asked a question in response to the OP. You chose to ignore it.

Wanna try again?

Iran is banned by UN resolution from transporting weapons, especially to terrorist groups like it's Lebanese proxy Hezbollah. Intelligence indicates that the Iranian cargo ship is carrying long-range missiles destined for Hezbollah, to use against Israeli civilians.

So once they are in the Med, surrounded by the 6th Fleet , what do you think the chances are that they will be boarded? What if these weapons are found? You gonna change your tune?

First please understand that many of us here on ATS and I am one of them, see the United Nations as a corrupt institution of International Elitists driving for a one world Government, and don't recognize it's authority or legitimacy and view it as a danger.

Second who says Hezbollah is a terrorist organization? Governments using terror themselves to not fight proxy wars but direct wars of agression for resources.

Third independent thinkers aren't bound by the word games used in the whole war on terror, like enemy combatants, insurgents, detainees, domestic extremists etc., etc.

These are all just words that are coined to draw conclusions and denote the presumed authority of those casting them about and labelling with them.

Now I am not a fan of Hezbollah, but I recognize them as being a legitimate political party, one that is not pro-Syria by the way, but was set up with the help of Iran to counter Syrian influence in Lebanon.

I am not a fan of the Government in Israel either, but I recognize them as being legitmate in the same kind of de facto way, I view any group that has the popular support of the people.

No I don't want to be the world's policeman, I want everyone to play nice and get along, and do their level best trying.

As an American who believes we all have the right to bear arms, that extends to everyone whether I like them or not.

I must say the idea you claim to not be biased is absolutely absurd.

Now so you can see the other side of the coin, one of the last acts of President Bush (Jr) was to pardon a local Miami man, who was tried and convicted of smuggling old B-29 bombers prior to 1952 when the United States (wisely) viewed Isreal as the biggest threat to stability in the Middle East and had an Arms Embargo.

Funny thing though, yes, his pardon was postumous the man had long ago passed away, but even though he helped terrorist organizations in Israel, and yes groups like the Stern Gang guilty of the bombing of the King David Hotel, the murders of Jewish Shop Keepers who employed Arabs, and Count Folke Bernadotte UN Special Envoy were labeled terrorist organisations, he was by and large seen as a hero by 'friends' of Israel, despite being a criminal who smuggled weapons to Israel.

One mans hero is another mans villian, and one's man freedom fighter is another man's terrorist.

You presume way to much my friend, and the world is waking up to these silly constructs and corrupt bodies, and I sure would hope that no one would be stupid enough to stop a flagged warship in International Waters to board and inspect it, as that would be an act of war.

By the way the next time you decide you want to cite a phony balony UN resolution at least be thorough enough to post the UN Resolution Number as well as the source for the alleged intelligence on the alleged cargo.

I guess you are one of those 'new school' journalists that doesn't actually subscribe to the who, what, why, when, how and where of things?

Originally posted by gringoboy
To be quite honest the Isreali army will be on defcon iran,nukes to the ready,thats why they are remaining silent,silence before the storm.
Remeber these comments are fictious and any relation to reality do not represent the poster.copyright cccccwat happens !
By way of I am deadly serious ,battle of mageddo invasion from syria.Powderkeg escalating.

edit on 22-2-2011 by gringoboy because: (no reason given)

I think a lot of people worry about the Biblical ramifications in these cat and mouse games in the Middle East.

Some including myself believe that the Government(s) and the Powers that Be are driving events to mimic Biblical prophecy in the hopes that people can be tricked along those lines into accepting a one world government and support a horrible World War to get there.

I think our best defense against that is speaking up and out, and against war in general.

The day Iran has enough ships and landing craft to land enough troops to outnumber the heavily armed, Miami Police, FBI and DEA, the Drug Cartells, the Cuban Militias and the Gang Bangers and attempt to storm the beaches and try to cut in line past the velvet ropes in the South Beach Night Clubs unfairly bypassing others who are waiting in line, will be the day I start worrying about Iran.

I highly suggest everyone just clean up their own backyards, since just about everyone's is a stinking mess from where I am sitting.

So are any USA ships going to prevent them from going through?

I have read reports that there are.

Originally posted by MidnightTide
So are any USA ships going to prevent them from going through?

I have read reports that there are.

Hmmm no. It was from DEBKA, an Israeli website making stuff up 24/7/365.

The Iranian ships are already through. They are off the coast of Israel right now, on their way to Syria.

Most boring thread/topic ever. Nothing is going to happen.

Originally posted by princeofpeace
Most boring thread/topic ever. Nothing is going to happen.

And yet you waste your time posting in it..

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There's all kinds of happening in Libya, but for some odd reason anything that agitates Israel is more important for some people.

Libya is the place to watch. If Gadhafi goes, Assad, the Saudis and the Mullahs in Iran will not be far behind.

Originally posted by princeofpeace
Most boring thread/topic ever. Nothing is going to happen.

Many of us do hope that will be the case.

With a propaganda war in full force by the western powers towards Iran though, most anything it does becomes a topic of some interest for many.

Originally posted by MikeboydUS
reply to post by princeofpeace

 

There's all kinds of happening in Libya, but for some odd reason anything that agitates Israel is more important for some people.

Libya is the place to watch. If Gadhafi goes, Assad, the Saudis and the Mullahs in Iran will not be far behind.

Libya is kind of a surprise to me to be honest. We never hear much from it or of it after the whole Lockerbie thing died down and Regan bombed his tent in the dessert.

I wonder what contingency plans the sixth fleet has if Bahrain becomes unfriendly?

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


The Fifth Fleet?

I don't think Bahrain will become unfriendly, but if need be we can use facilities at Diego Garcia, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, or the UAE.

reply to post by MikeboydUS


Well until those places revolt!

Where is a navy to hang it's hat these days?

It would be hysterical if Iran offered it's ports, knowing full well we would likely turn them down.

They had previously offered to help with some supply lines into Afghanistan and were rejected.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by MikeboydUS

 

Well until those places revolt!

Where is a navy to hang it's hat these days?

It would be hysterical if Iran offered it's ports, knowing full well we would likely turn them down.

They had previously offered to help with some supply lines into Afghanistan and were rejected.

We havn't left Egypt or Tunisia. Diego Garcia is incapable of revolt.

I don't think Iran will be offering anything. If Gadhafi goes, they are next. They will be too busy killing hundreds of their own people while trying to maintain power.

Sometimes on here things get to heated. I like to attribute this to something like walking through a friends bedroom (while they are sleeping) to use the bathroom. You can get away with it a few times until people start to notice and get upset. Are they just trying to see if the ships get noticed and hassled for future reference, or do they not care and blaitantly cruise on through. The key fact is most developed countries have the ability to shoot missles wherever they chose, while this is usually ballisticly possible its usually highly unlikely. Chalk it up as a shortcut

reply to post by OldCorp

Thanks for sharing the video. Others will poorly dismiss you, the facts and truth. Let them, lol.

They condemn others claiming other posters use emotions to spread their agenda but as you see, those same people will pull the "emotional" card when it suits them.

ATS welcomes on-the-scene videos

In accordance with UN Resolutions, Iranian shipping is subject to inspection at sea.

Any day the US Navy decides someone is going to be "channeled" somewhere, they're channeled. Any day the US Navy decides that someone is going to be inspected, they're going to be inspected.

I'd guess that the US will stop and inspect those ships to ensure they are not shipping prohibited items of war, and this will leave Israel out of it, specifically to prevent overreaction by the Israelis.

Keep in mind, it's not as though Arab nations like Persian Iran much more than they like Israel, and since Iran has been stirring the slop jar of many Arab nations with a stick and funding, it's highly likely that surrounding Arab nations have urged the US to stop the Iranian ships, perform the inspections, and shadow their every move.

Now a good sea commander is able to create the circumstances whereby the opposing side make a mistake, causing the Iranian commander to react to a "perceived" attack, enabling opposing forces the opportunity to act in self-defense.

Indirect tactics are as plentiful as stars in the sky.

I can imagine the Iranian commander, already nervous with the sudden accompanying warships performing various random darts close in, and backing off, of crossing their line of approach making them alter course or speed, and after a while, it really gets nerve wracking.

Then, the sound of a torpedo is detected, maybe one that's been disarmed, but the Iranians don't know that, and they react offensively.

Or aircraft flying hard and fast on a direct track painting them with anti-ship radar causes them to go weapons free and fire first.

Or a ship pulls alongside, turns all guns on the Iranians and covers off the missile launchers fly off, as a launch to a distant point - over the heads of the Iranians - which causes them to take offensive measures.

Then there's the counter-electronic incidents that can be created, in effect, shutting down critical electronic systems, requiring "assistance."

The Iranian ships will only go where and when they are allowed.

If they are allowed.

They are one bunch of folks with a head/sphincter inversion problem though.

Never seen folk so anxious to get killed.

reply to post by FarArcher

In accordance with UN Resolutions, Iranian shipping is subject to inspection at sea.

Please quote the resolution number so we can check if it's still in force..

But who listens to the UN anyway, certainly not the US or Israel..