Cover-Up of a Cover-Up??????? Sorry ATS...

So this has been bugging me for quite a while now and I need to bring it to attention.

I wonder how many of you on here agree...

The sheer amount of topics we cover and criticize on here, they should all get a fair stand...

Some however don't.....

Why?

Well maybe because the dis-info agents on here, don't want us too know certain things.....

They'll let us see the majority of things and let us think were ahead of the game, and we are

But they deprive us of the real truth which is just sad.....

Some of the most important cases to UFO history have been classified hoax....unjustly and without a fair
stand....on here, on ATS.... Really?

I'm sorry but I can't help but believe the people behind ATS, and the dis-info agents on here are secretly covering up what may be the best evidence of all time...

There's something somebody doesn't want us to know, so they'll shove garbage down your throats until you listen...And preach their word...without making a decision on your own....

This site is trying to take away my freedom of speech and opinion... Calling my beliefs a hoax....

Really?

I'm sick and tired of hearing the misinformed run rampant with their blabber.

People need to wake up and realize they are being lied to by the very people they think they can trust...

Those of you who know better and understand, we need to stand up for what is right and help move people into the new age. We can do it!

Mind pointing out one of these cases you feel has been unfairly labeled a hoax?

reply to post by WhizPhiz


The Billy Meier Case...

Which every time I post a thread with some amazing evidence to support his claims... It's quickly moved into the hoax section.. Without being reopened for evaluation and reconsideration...

I think everyone gets a decent and fair chance to present their cases on the forums here. People give their opinions and present facts for all sides of the arguments. I don't think ATS is as controlled as other sites may be, but I'm sure ATS is being just as monitored and reviewed as the other major conspiracy & social network sites are.

There are a lot of debunkers who have a decent theory and then rule it as fact, then the band wagon jumps on board with the best debunker's theory and the case is closed it seems from there. Then there are just a massive flooding of nonsense that also drowns out the good topics and video evidence so it is hard to find the meaty stuff in a mountain of garbage.

How do I know you're not disinfo?

"Jokes" aside, I think it's just nature to dismiss what we were taught and trained to think. If you grow up with one way of thinking then it's second nature to challenge an opposing view.

Take the evangelical and fundamental religious types. They're brought up thinking everything but their way of life is evil and to be opposed and rejected no matter what. We have Muslim jihadists who declare war on the West because it doesn't agree with their warped view of Islam. Meanwhile the rest of the religion tolerate and accept other views while still holding credence to their own beliefs.

Go to a country where Sharia Law is alive and well and tell them it's wrong, you get shouted down as being wrong in your own opinions. Same happens the other way round too.

It's just a case of being open minded and being able to tolerate and accept differing points of view.

No offense but you couldn't add this little rant to the other dozen threads just like it.

There will be skeptics or "dis-info" agents as many call them on all forums.

The most sensational topics will of course get more attention.

Also the mods dont just make something a hoax for fun, they do discuss it and take everything into account.

Why do people need ATS to tell them what to believe. I read all day long on here and yes some topics are completely out there but that doesn't mean they are true. I read and make my own conclusions from what I have read.

There have been some silly threads that people complain about being called a hoax and it's only because they dont want any criticism. Seems to me they just want people to agree without looking at the evidence.

Threads like the "real vampire" NOT a real vampire, the one about the news reporter at the Grammys people STILL thought it was some stupid silly code and completely ignored the fact that she had a stroke ON tv and nothing more. Oh and I just love the shape shifting videos which are just silly. It's the tv or cable feed not someone turning into an alien. I see this ALL the time on my tv and if I had a DVR I'd record the programming to show you. Some things are just NOT true it has nothing to do with ATS keeping the truth from you. If anything they want the truth out there otherwise why would the owners make this site?

reply to post by youthsavior


The Meier case has way too much hoaxy evidence to call it a hoax. How can a hoax have real evidence and fake evidence? The ray gun... for real? Come on. Randy Winters.... the dinosaur photo from Billy's collection, not Randy's. Garbage can lids, easily duplicated saucers, the man had a lot of time on his hands in the boonies so he tried fooling the world and became a victim of his fame.

reply to post by youthsavior


Even amongst the most ardent believers in the ET hypothesis the Billy Meier case is seen as a hoax. It has been dissected on here numerous times by some very capable researchers from a number of different angles and every time the conclusion is that it is a hoax. I suggest you look into the work that Jeff Ritzmann has done on the case amongst others. I mention Jeff specifically because he is someone who has had his own contact scenario but still approaches UFOlogy from a scientific point of view. On top of that he has spent years researching the Billy Meier case and has had contact with some of the principal parties involved.

reply to post by youthsavior

The Billy Meier Case...

As far as I know, that guy has tried some pretty stupid hoaxes. I guess they feel there's no point believing someone who has lied like that. But if he is bringing some sort of new evidence to the table, it is at least worth examination before being thrown into the hoax bin...so what exactly is this amazing evidence you speak of?

reply to post by WhizPhiz


It's the original evidence proving it authentic, without all the other mumbo jumbo that people have thrown into the mix.

abovetopsecret.com...

I think a lot of posts are quickly dismissed and shoved to the back. Why is that the flag board is mostly the same old same old is there a program to reply a bunch of posts to the same subject matter. Ive been getting very bored lately all the talk is either ufo or money related when I first came here it seemed fresh and new but now its just same old.

reply to post by youthsavior

People need to wake up and realize they are being lied to by the very people they think they can trust...

Indeed, which is why if you expect any truth, you NEED skeptics. Not all skeptics are dis-info agents. That's a term, like 'shill' that people toss around when others don't immediately agree with them. I assumed this was about that Jerusalem thread, refreshing that it isn't. I'm sure a lot of things get toss away off hand that deserve more attention, but with the sheer volume of hoaxes, it's going to happen. if the "believers" would be a little more discerning this wouldn't be a problem.

I suggest you spend some time going through IIG's report on the Billy Meier case. They spent years going over the evidence and have found it lacking. They have debunked many photos as well as physical and audio evidence as well as shown his prophecies to be completely false. So, if you are truly interested in seeing both sides of the story, as opposed to buying into Michael Horn's propaganda this is the best place to start.

IIG - The Billy Meier Case

reply to post by youthsavior

lots of people who really wanted to believe Billy now understand that he is a fraud. It's sad that someone would do that much damage to the field. It's equally as sad that there is not a death penalty for those who knowingly hoax things, just to make up for whatever they lack in life. every time we get one step forward, another hoax puts us two steps back.

dude, as someone whose had a interest in UFOs and ET for some time, and as i pointed out elsewhere

the whole UFO thing has actually gone thru a few paradigm shifts

ET as a objective experience: originating on other planets,physical,spiritual,dimensional,alternate universes, other times...

ET as a subjective experience:
instead of the gods or demons tearing us apart and recreating us as shaman/initiates, inserting magic crystals;
is now ET messing with our poop chute,inserting implants... are you aware that by putting that idea out it is now a [alternate]reality? adding to all the dis-info and confusion?

and do not forget that we are not alone on the planet as much as many wish to pretend/deny it.

having personally been "abducted" by Sylphs as i was initiating an astral projection, and taken on the Wild Hunt for most of a night, i'm pretty convinced on the existence of elementals at least of the Air.

so when you consider that when sun-dogs,artifacts,chinese-lanterns,balloons, and swamp-gas, have been eliminated, we are left with the additional possibility of locals adding more confusion such as Merkaba Chariots/Ascending Beings, elementals, RODS... and so on.


my point being that if you truly believe that meirs intel or a subset of it has merit/veracity then you need to be the first to cut meir out of the loop since he already has the brand of Charlatan indelibly attached, do your own investigation,make it your knowledge and then post about it, as even a quantum of information that has the name meir linked/attached is going to send it to the hoax bin having activated KneeJerk.exe.

without even being looked at.

just my 2 cents
hope this is of help/assistance to you.

Originally posted by youthsavior
reply to post by WhizPhiz

 

The Billy Meier Case...

Which every time I post a thread with some amazing evidence to support his claims... It's quickly moved into the hoax section.. Without being reopened for evaluation and reconsideration...

So you think agents at the time of the Meier findings had a job to do.
And now everyone is convinced Billy is fair game to label hoax when there might be
saucers based in Switzerland after all.

Sorry OP, but Meier case is a hoax ...i can understand your frustration but that's normal so no cover of cover up here ..move on ..... there are thousands more credible UFO cases than this kindergarten Billy Meier case .

reply to post by xavi1000


So none of the Meier film show real saucers and so we say hoax.
That can't be universally stated as there might be one real saucer among the lot.

I'd say he hosed many with perhaps one lucky shot and the agents of the Illuminati
payed attention and went to fix his wagon and make some money in any way
possible.

check out all the people who are experiencing this weird phenomenon- who knows how many others..
"Are U.S. government microwave mind-control tests causing TV presenters' brains to melt down?" article at
dailymail.co.uk
www.dailymail.co.uk...[/url]
scary stuff.
my comment on the article at site-

radio host ian punnett also had a gibberish "episode" on live radio show "Coast to Coast AM" just a few months ago, so its not just TV, its in the airwaves, noticeably when there's a live feed or telecast kind of setup, and 3 way audio (like when the main program host talks to another reporter who's "on location" or whatever, and presumably , there's another live line connected. maybe its direct beam frequency soundwaves bouncing off the ionosphere and ducting into some unlucky broadcaster's brain. maybe these people have a common factor, like the same satellite or broadcast system or corporate overlord. or sumthin. i have no idea what i'm talking about.

anyway, its happened to me a couple times in the last 6 or 8 months, but i'm not "on the air". - that i know of-... ha