Retired USAF pilot Col. Guy S. Razer says 9/11 was 'inside job' perpetrated by US government

Originally posted by TrickoftheShade
I've had Truthers tell me that the insurance companies were in on it, which is why they paid out. Which to me seems a bit like a bookmaker knowing a racehorse is set up to win but still paying out on it.

Have you researched the term "corruption"?
Say, some politicians get something from a company.
Then the company get something in return.
You cant dream about how often politicans get gold watches, jewelry etc "for free" without the public know about it.
Maybe the companies dont get anything in return. What do you think, TrickoftheShade?

reply to post by GoldenFleece


In reality, Hani's flight instructors have said that they have no doubt that he had enough skill to hit the Pentagon...just as long as he did not have to worry about the takeoff.

Originally posted by GoldenFleece

Originally posted by weedwhacker

ridiculous scenarios

fevered imaginations

stupid "conspiracy theories"

only the ignorant who sit in their basement caves

completely misunderstand how the real world works.

Quite pathetic, actually...

skewed YOUR apparent perception of the reality....

YOU DO NOT KNOW HALF of it!!! (Or, even one-eighth...)

silly "conspiracy" theory....

those who FOIST the "conspiracy theory" upon the gullible and naive.

those who fall for "9/11 conspiracies".....or, so-called "truth"....have been HAD!!! Big time.....

Anyone notice a pattern here?

I do and I even put my hand up! :-)
Great that you condensed all the insults and degrading comments to make us feel like "Fools" all in one post.
Star for you GoldenFleece.

Regards, Iwinder

As I have said before on many threads of this nature, the truth, though will " set us free", will never come out. Much like the Assassination of JFK. Those documents pertaining to JFK's demise was supposed to be released in 25 years, from the date of legal inquiry. And when that time came close, the Fed's extended the duration.

The masses may cry out for the truth, and those efforts, though exhaustive, I commend. But sadly, those upper echelons of power will never speak the truth, on the basis of accountability. 9/11 will for ever be one of those topics, that will be mentioned over dinner, talked about with friends etc...but thats all it ever will be. The truth will never come out, those powers that be, must keep it quiet, much like JFK.

Write your representatives, to demand a new investigation of 9/11.
writerep.house.gov...
www.Senate.Gov...
also, you can track how they vote at
www.GovTrack.US...

Originally posted by vipertech0596
reply to post by GoldenFleece

 

In reality, Hani's flight instructors have said that they have no doubt that he had enough skill to hit the Pentagon...just as long as he did not have to worry about the takeoff.

Got a source for that incredulous bit of "reality"?

Originally posted by FlyInTheOintment
reply to post by weedwhacker

 

Didn't recognise you with the new avatar at first, but as soon as I started reading your post it became painfully clear...

Glad you can laugh so hard (and make yourself look pretty darn soulless in the process), but seriously - do you expect to garner support for the OS by writing in the manner you do?

You work so hard to support the lies (I mean, the OS) - but why? Your acerbic manner cannot possibly be of benefit in bringing people over to your side of the fence...!? If you support the OS, could you not find a less confrontational and patronising way to put your POV across?

In any case - why stand up for the devious b'stards behind 9-11 in the first place..? It's painfully clear (especially to a man of your intellect) that 'someone' carried out a "devious b'stard act of high treason" with all their "devious b'stard money and resources" to cover it up for ("devious b'stard") decades afterwards. And that 'someone' certainly wasn't a scruffy little man living in a cave halfway across the world...

For goodness' sake.

NB - Mods, please go easy on me. I'm not accusing Weedwhacker of anything, just asking questions about the way in which he posts such mocking comments, which, according to my interpretation of the matter, is entirely detrimental to the promotion of his 'cause'...*

(* cause = to boost support for the OS of 9-11)

I could not agree more with this post, I have a hard time reading Weedwhacker's posts and not being offended because of the attitude that points to we are all stupid Fools and don't have a brain.
Regards, Iwinder

Originally posted by tim3lord
it still blows my mind that people dont believe 911 was an inside job.

it still blows my mind that people believe 911 was an inside job.

I was in the military for 20 years and 13 days... and I don't believe it happened. I beat the officer by 13 days, which makes my argument more valid. All he did was fly fighter jets what make's him an expert?

Originally posted by Baldryck

Originally posted by tim3lord
it still blows my mind that people dont believe 911 was an inside job.

it still blows my mind that people believe 911 was an inside job.

I was in the military for 20 years and 13 days... and I don't believe it happened. I beat the officer by 13 days, which makes my argument more valid. All he did was fly fighter jets what make's him an expert?

All he did was fly fighter jets. Really??

•U.S. Air Force command fighter pilot

•Former instructor, U.S. Air Force Fighter Weapons School and NATO’s Tactical Leadership Program.

•As an Air Force weapons effects expert, was responsible for wartime tasking of most appropriate aircraft/munition for target destruction to include steel and concrete superstructures.

•Former aeronautical structures flight test engineer with McDonnell Douglas, working on advanced DC-9 autopilot systems and DC-10 flight envelope expansion stress and flutter analysis.

•Tactical aircraft flown: General Dynamics F-111 Aardvark fighter/bomber, McDonnell Douglas F-15E Strike Eagle, General Dynamics / Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcon, McDonnell Douglas F-18 Hornet, Boeing B-1 Bomber, MiG-29 (Russian fighter), and Su-22 (Russian fighter/bomber). 3,000+ fighter hours. Combat time over Iraq.

Maybe you misread the OP..It's all there...

Originally posted by Baldryck

Originally posted by tim3lord
it still blows my mind that people dont believe 911 was an inside job.

it still blows my mind that people believe 911 was an inside job.

I was in the military for 20 years and 13 days... and I don't believe it happened. I beat the officer by 13 days, which makes my argument more valid. All he did was fly fighter jets what make's him an expert?

No offense intended here and I really mean that, what did you do in the military may I ask and what were your qualifications in that field?

The reason I ask is that he was a Pilot and last I read all our nightmares on 911 involved aircraft so I think a Pilots view is not unreasonable here.

Regards, Iwinder

reply to post by Baldryck

I was in the military for 20 years and 13 days... and I don't believe it happened. I beat the officer by 13 days, which makes my argument more valid. All he did was fly fighter jets what make's him an expert?

And your credentials might be? All I see is an opinion?

Originally posted by RustyShakleford92
reply to post by DimensionalDetective

 

Good find. Thanks for the read.

Can I ask a question though. The thing I don't understand about this demolition conspiracy theory is.... why is it so important to make the buildings fall? I mean, 4 hijacked planes, people killed.... HELL one plane to the Pentagon is enough to start a war.

What is the significance of complicating the situation and trying to make the buildings fall? The government could care less about public support, if indeed, a terrorist organization just pummeled a plane into the Pentagon alone.

There is always someone "proving" the fact that the buildings could have fell, and then someone right next to him able to "prove" that it is impossible under the set circumstances.

Multibillion dollar insurance fraud and to destroy plane black boxes and terrorist remains. WTC 7 also had the investigative files of the SEC, including ENRON files.

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Didn't WTC 7 also have extensive files on the CIA, FBI? I know what ever else was there was volatile.

Tenants, security, convergence, cleanup. By Kevin Ryan

On 9/11, American Airlines Flight 11 hit the north face of the north tower (WTC 1) between floors 94 and 99. In a stunning coincidence, these floors bracket those that had been upgraded for fireproofing shortly before 9/11. [12] This coincidence was amplified by the fact that one tenant occupied all of those floors – Marsh & McLennan (Marsh), which at the time was the world's largest insurance brokerage company. During the years from 1993 to 2001. According to the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), Marsh made modifications to the south side of floor 94 in 1998. That same year, the PANYNJ helped Marsh demolish floors 95-98 in order to rebuild the fire alarm and sprinkler systems. Marsh did further modification work on floor 95 in the year 2000. [13] The full floor fireproofing upgrades on floors 93 through 100 were accomplished in August through November of 1998, except for floor 94, which was done in December 1996.

United Airlines Flight 175 hit the south tower (WTC 2) between floors 78 and 83, in the southeast corner of the building. In the impact zone, Baseline Financial Services (Baseline) was located on floors 77 and 78, Fuji Bank was on floors 79 to 82, and AON Corporation was on floor 83.
Baseline was led by a very interesting individual named Joseph Kasputys, who had a history of being well connected to the highest levels of government, as well as to defense and intelligence industries. Kasputys worked, from 1972 to 1977, for the US departments of commerce and defense. He was also the deputy director of Nixon's White House taskforce that dealt with the Arab oil embargo of 1973, and he was instrumental in the creation of the Department of Energy (DOE).
Kasputys' connections to the DOE, from 1977 through at least 1997, are interesting considering that the DOE was developing thermite ignition devices as early as 1983. [29] Additionally, national laboratories working within the DOE developed nanothermites in the late 1990s. Nanothermites are explosive thermite mixtures where one or more reactants are present at the nanometer scale. These are also called super-thermites due to the extraordinarily large amount of energy released upon ignition. [3, 30]

www.911review.com...
A terrific read, made even better on NO LIES RADIO. Aired on January 17, 2011

I just had a minor epiphany.

Is it possible that anyone who believes (or knows) that 9/11 was an inside job are the 'weeds' that need to be 'whacked'?

Kinda like when CatHerder tried to herd cats...

Well, I think we've demonstrated that the cats will not be herded and the weeds will not be whacked!

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Well, there is one, who is coming with a two edged sword. He's gonna separate the wheat from the tares. No fence sitters allowed.

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"Despite Hanjour's poor reviews, he did have some ability as a pilot, said Bernard of Freeway Airport. "There's no doubt in my mind that once that [hijacked jet] got going, he could have pointed that plane at a building and hit it,"

web.archive.org...://www.newsday.com/ny-usflight232380680sep23.story

Bernard, in this case being Marcel Bernard. The very man who refused to rent Hani Hanjour a Cessna 172....."without further lessons"


Okay realized that for whatever reason the link function did not work so well...so, you will have to cut and paste this one..

web.archive.org...://www.newsday.com/ny-usflight232380680sep23.story

Originally posted by GoldenFleece

Originally posted by vipertech0596
reply to post by GoldenFleece

 

In reality, Hani's flight instructors have said that they have no doubt that he had enough skill to hit the Pentagon...just as long as he did not have to worry about the takeoff.

Got a source for that incredulous bit of "reality"?

From what I've heard not even professional pilots could perform the maneuvres over the Pentagon lawns, the high speed turns etc, that Hani is said to have made! I'm one of the converted. At the beginning of the 9/11 conspiracy forums I thought that there was no way a government could, or would, attack its own country to create the right public atmosphere for war....
"Turns out I was wrong!"

reply to post by CholmondleyWarner


Might want to get your hearing checked...or start listening to people other than conspiracy nuts....

As I've explained in at least one prior column, Hani Hanjour's flying was hardly the show-quality demonstration often described. It was exceptional only in its recklessness. If anything, his loops and turns and spirals above the nation's capital revealed him to be exactly the #ty pilot he by all accounts was. To hit the Pentagon squarely he needed only a bit of luck, and he got it, possibly with help from the 757's autopilot. Striking a stationary object -- even a large one like the Pentagon -- at high speed and from a steep angle is very difficult. To make the job easier, he came in obliquely, tearing down light poles as he roared across the Pentagon's lawn.

"They'd done their homework and they had what they needed," says a United Airlines pilot (name withheld on request), who has flown every model of Boeing from the 737 up. "Rudimentary knowledge and fearlessness."

"The hijackers required only the shallow understanding of the aircraft," agrees Ken Hertz, an airline pilot rated on the 757/767. "In much the same way that a person needn't be an experienced physician in order to perform CPR or set a broken bone."

www.salon.com...

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S&F Great thread, Lt. Col. Guy S. Razer, is right in my opinion, however no one can believe a single word the government has to say about the hijackers or what flight schools they apparently went to because until the government can give us “proof” that these men are real and not 19 made up characters dream up by intelligent agencies (CIA, FBI) in covering up a false flag operation.

The government “said” these19 men are the terrorist; the government gave us a story, a fairytale for the sleeping men who do not like to do any critical thinking on their own, the government counts on their ignorance and your patriotic beliefs that our government wouldn’t harm any of us and has our interest at hart.

The government knew they couldn’t fool everyone they knew their lies would divide the American people from critical thinkers from patriotic believers. Looks to me the patriotic believers are losing this battle and many are now coming to terms that 911 was an inside job. The fact is look how few debunkers there are on the 911 forums, very few indeed.

The fact is FBI lied about the hijackers DNA, according to the FBI the alleged hijackers were using stolen identities, and so one has to ask to whom was the FBI comparing the alleged DNA sample to?