$100,000+ Salaries for School Teachers?

reply to post by intelinside451

On the opposite, if you break up the union, lower the pay, increase competition, you'll see those teachers straighten out really fast.

I think would would see a MASS exodus well qualified teachers to other professions. And they will be replaced by $20,000 day care center workers. Is this what you want for your children?

Paying them, well here is what I posted earlier, I'm lazy!!

Paying teachers LESS will not reform the Public school system. Expecting more from less is unreasonable I'm afraid.

The system IS broken, but less pay for teachers is not the answer. How about less pay for the ADMINISTRATORS of public school policy, and the politicians that are RESPONSIBLE for governing the applicable laws and regulation.

Lets get real about holding the people responsible for this mess are held ACCOUNTABLE!

These teachers have their hands tied by antiquated school regulations, whether you pay them $2 or $100 an hour.

You know what, spare me the whole "Teachers have it rough" mantra. They work 9 months out of the year, hit tenure after what, 5 years of work, pay about 8-12% into a retirement program, get an almost automatic raise every year, pay 15% for a 95/5% split health care insurance and then get to complain when asked to cut back?
Really?
And the argument of class room sizes, don't make me cry.
I am 1 of 2 Telecom techs in UT, servicing the entire state. We have about 40k customers that I am responsible for. I bust my butt every day, start at 7am go till 5pm, have not had a raise in 3 years, even with getting highly regarded certifications. My Health Insurance just went up, cost of living went up.
Am I rioting in the streets? Not showing up to work, only to go protest and get a doctors fake excuse? No.

Suck it up.
Everyone needs to suck it up and quit crying. Especially Union members and teachers.

reply to post by conspiracy nut

....at the present time with the states budgets as screwed as they are i almost feel all state and federal employees should take a pay cut across the board until the economy get better.

What a lot of people defending the public service employees Union do not seem to realize is that the Federal government is the largest employer in the USA. That is 17% of all employees work for the federal government. This does not include Postal workers, State & local employees, teachers, fire law enforcement and all those Contractors.

People if you were able to add up all the different people on the government "payroll" in one manner or the other, then add in Welfare/Social Security we would be getting close to 1/2 the "workers' in the USA! I did a quickie of federal employees plus Welfare/Social Security (under 65) and it came out close to 25%.

This means every one of us is supporting a second household besides our own and often a household with a better "income"!

Originally posted by intelinside451
reply to post by ErEhWoN

 

On the opposite, if you break up the union, lower the pay, increase competition, you'll see those teachers straighten out really fast.

Here's an idea, let's start contracting out teaching jobs. Then we'll see how competitive they get!

Welcome to reality, it sucks and it's a bumpy ride!

maybe your job should be contracted out to people working part time with minimum wage. hey!! i know!! ALL PEOPLE that work a regular job in government be paid minimum wage, no benefits, and be part time. what a great thing to happen to america. and if they don't like it...tough...they can live like all those other "free market" workers that live in countries like Laos, and Cambodia...you know,in those thatched roof, dirt floor,shantys.
ahh yes...the NEW AMERICA!

reply to post by crimvelvet


I find more fault with conservative Christians than socialists. Virtually all the phony sex-abuse cases were driven by those groups. Most Child Protective Services outfits I've seen on the news or been aware of in my cities seem to be heavily salted with evangelical Christians eager to "save" kids, placing them preferentially with evangelical families.

Native Americans are very familiar with the child-stealing propenseties of Christians: the Indian Child Welfare Act was passed in the '70s to halt them from stealing our children.

If you study how most of the laws wound up twisted to prevent parental discipline, you'd find a lot of Christian groups influenced it that way for a variety of reasons, depending on locality.

But the problem started earlier when the corporate world invaded the last vestiges of private home time. Remember the ads touting devices that allowed you to work at the beach, at home, in your car? Never questioning whether an employer had any right to ask you to divert the time you should spend raising your family on his business instead, without compensation. The ruthless threat of termination for not giving above and beyond robbed many families of the time, the energy, and the ability to properly raise their children.

Ultimately this crisis is a failure of the business model of running a government.

Tax breaks for business have consistently failed to generate profits for the local economies providing them. Incentive programs aimed at large corporations have failed to produce jobs. Turning a blind eye to financial and banking malfeasance has not improved the economy. Reagan ran California into the dirt, and started the process in Washington the end of which we see playing out now. Greed is not good, allowing massive wealth accumulations is not wise, and the magic "marketplace" will not correct things if left to its own.

We need fewer businessmen in politics and more teachers, I think.

reply to post by macman


Are they taking away your rights to collectivley bargain with your co-workers? Your right to form a Union to get the MAXIMUM benefit from your chosen carrer?

These are YOUR RIGHTS!!!! Giving them up is un-American! We have fought long and hard for our RIGHTS, but it seems the Regressives want a backslide to the 1950's.

Over my dead body.

Originally posted by macman
You know what, spare me the whole "Teachers have it rough" mantra. They work 9 months out of the year, hit tenure after what, 5 years of work, pay about 8-12% into a retirement program, get an almost automatic raise every year, pay 15% for a 95/5% split health care insurance and then get to complain when asked to cut back?
Really?
And the argument of class room sizes, don't make me cry.
I am 1 of 2 Telecom techs in UT, servicing the entire state. We have about 40k customers that I am responsible for. I bust my butt every day, start at 7am go till 5pm, have not had a raise in 3 years, even with getting highly regarded certifications. My Health Insurance just went up, cost of living went up.
Am I rioting in the streets? Not showing up to work, only to go protest and get a doctors fake excuse? No.

Suck it up.
Everyone needs to suck it up and quit crying. Especially Union members and teachers.

I second that notion. It's time for a reality check for everyone in the public education sector. You can blame it on the unions, regulations, and all the bad students you want. The truth is, everything is out of control and it's time for some "change".

reply to post by intelinside451


No public servant should make more than the averaged income in their community.

Anything else is parasitic tyranny and the equivalent of robbery.

Performance based pay, maybe. Having students rate their teachers after the quarter is over really needs to be done. Colleges do it. Having dissatisfied students whether they learn a lot or little is not going to help.

Some teachers have a tendency to have a lot of pride, much of it is undeserved and self inflated. The whole world on a platter attitude isn't going to work.

Originally posted by ErEhWoN
reply to post by macman

 

Are they taking away your rights to collectivley bargain with your co-workers? Your right to form a Union to get the MAXIMUM benefit from your chosen carrer?

These are YOUR RIGHTS!!!! Giving them up is un-American! We have fought long and hard for our RIGHTS, but it seems the Regressives want a backslide to the 1950's.

Over my dead body.

I don't, and will not belong to any Union.
Qwest is the major ISP in UT. Union like the day is long. They are loosing customers left and right. Why? Because their overhead is so over inflated due to the Unions, they have to charge almost double for services.
And lets not forget that most of the techs are lazy.
I am responsible for the amount of services and equipment that is managed by about 20 Qwest techs here.
And further more, they are not taking away any rights other then having to re-negotiate every year. And contribute more into retirement and health care.
Spare me your sob story. $100K for a teacher is ridicules. I do more, know more and have more training and certs then most teachers.

Educating children is a noble profession. Filling their heads with communist drivel should be a crime. 68% graduation rate and what do they think they deserve? Never enough.

A while ago I read an article about teachers in Zimbabwe earning in the billions per year. The money was useless but I was glad to hear about a place in the world teachers make what they think they're worth! Lmao...

50 years ago they taught Greek and Latin in elementary school. Today they teach remedial English in college.

Zero sympathy. Tons of disdain.

Originally posted by jimmyx

Originally posted by intelinside451
reply to post by ErEhWoN

 

On the opposite, if you break up the union, lower the pay, increase competition, you'll see those teachers straighten out really fast.

Here's an idea, let's start contracting out teaching jobs. Then we'll see how competitive they get!

Welcome to reality, it sucks and it's a bumpy ride!

maybe your job should be contracted out to people working part time with minimum wage. hey!! i know!! ALL PEOPLE that work a regular job in government be paid minimum wage, no benefits, and be part time. what a great thing to happen to america. and if they don't like it...tough...they can live like all those other "free market" workers that live in countries like Laos, and Cambodia...you know,in those thatched roof, dirt floor,shantys.
ahh yes...the NEW AMERICA!

edit on 20-2-2011 by jimmyx because: it wouldn't let me edit the first time

Too late, my past job was sent to India and they are being paid less than minimum wage. The job I have now, I'm surrounded by contractors who work for half of what I do as they have no benefits. It's only a matter of time before I'm forced into contracting myself. Then only a matter of time before that goes to India or China as well.

Oh by the way, the unions that were at this current company were dismantled and the jobs moved to Mexico and India about 5 years ago. Much cheaper there to do business there than with the bloated salaries unions "represent" here. As far as I'm concerned, this is the new norm for America.

Just wait until companies get used to the idea of employing someone in India over the internet to do work. Now you can be a small business, still outsource overseas and not employ the people here.

If you think unions are the answer to this mess, you're wayyyyyyy off... Lower taxes for companies who employ here, higher taxes for companies who outsource and more competitive workers "non-union". That's where we need to be.

Fix your thread title to read compensation, not salaries. Did you do that intentionally?

Some of the sentiments in this thread are truly deplorable. Bring down the salaries of the few people who managed to stay afloat to the levels many still wish they were at? Yeah that makes so much sense. Drag them down to th slave level the globalists what everyone at. You're such shills. Do you even know what you're saying?

Originally posted by PlanterZTeaching is a very tough and time consuming job and unless you've done it, or know someone who has done it, you never really know how much work goes into it.

This can be said for ANY job.

Personally, I don't think any teacher--apart from college professors, should make that much.

Especially when there are TONS of jobs that are just as integral to our society that don't make near that.

If they all made 100k, then fine; but I don't think any economy can support that.

Capitalism could support that. TRUE capitalism.

Notice how new all these union bashers are?

Mods, I think a review is in order here to see if some of these folks are Koch bros employees paid to bash unions. I notice that they seem oblivious to factual argument and their links mostly point to various outfits funded by the same. The thread title is a lie, and the posts are merely repetitve assertions of the same lie.

Just saying.

just a few quick points since there have already been great replies.

#1 Thread title is intentionally misleading as it implies $100K salary alone.

#2 Most of the naysayers are comparing the teachers pay / workload to their own. It is not a zero sum game. The fact teachers make more won't deprive you of your earning potential.

#3 America is no longer a "super power" in terms of best and brightest where the education of our children are involved.

#4 As the old adage goes: "If you think education is expensive, try to pay the cost of ignorance." (something close to that)

reply to post by apacheman

I find more fault with conservative Christians than socialists. Virtually all the phony sex-abuse cases were driven by those groups. Most Child Protective Services outfits I've seen on the news or been aware of in my cities seem to be heavily salted with evangelical Christians eager to "save" kids, placing them preferentially with evangelical families.....

AHHhhh but BOTH groups are collectivists, just different flavors. Both think THEY know how to run YOUR LIFE better than you do. Collectivists on the so-called Left and Right BOTH agree that:
1. Rights are derived from the state;
2. The group is more important than the individual;
3. Coercion is the preferred method to bring about reform;
4. Laws should be applied differently to different classes;
5. Providing benefits (redistributing wealth) is the proper role of government.

ME I am an individualist. I want the government and especially the Fabian Banksters behind them to give me back my rights, my money and my property. To start treating ALL individuals equally instead of pitting us at each others throats through various forms of favoritism and rabble rousing. The Fabian's symbol is a wolf in a sheepekin and that is EXACTLY what all the collectivist movements are. H.L. Menchen nailed it: "The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false face for the urge to rule it."

Unfortunately this is not going to happen and by the time people in general wake up to the fact that "socialism" in all its different forms is just the sheepskin of the Bansters, it is going to be way too late. This country and the EU have been stripped of their rights and wealth and reduced to third world status without anyone seeing it. And all that wealth has been used to destroy the third world countries too. See World Bank/IMF Structural Adjustment Programs

No I am not a Christian. I very much dislike organized religion because it is just another form of brainwashing and manipulation in my opinion. However I do believe in a "higher being" just not the one that is labeled "Made in England" or "Made in Rome"

reply to post by macman


How much does your boss make?

how much does his boss make?

How much is your labor making them?

What percentage of that do they pay you?

I suggest that you suck it up, grow some balls and negotiate for better wages and working conditions, rather than demand that others surrender their negotiating rights. If you can negotiate better on your own kudos to you. But it sounds to me like you are too fearful to ask for what you've earned, so you lash out at those who aren't afraid to stand up for their rights.

Again, it's about bargaining rights, not pay: they've already given back a lot.

Again, the 100K salary assertion is proven false.

Originally posted by apacheman
Notice how new all these union bashers are?

Mods, I think a review is in order here to see if some of these folks are Koch bros employees paid to bash unions. I notice that they seem oblivious to factual argument and their links mostly point to various outfits funded by the same. The thread title is a lie, and the posts are merely repetitve assertions of the same lie.

Just saying.

I say sure sure.
And how about checking to see how many new members are part of Code Pink, Organizing for America or just paid stooges for SEIU or any other Union.