Gaga and Beyonce Telephone: mind control, eugenics & overpopulation, poisoning the world through GMO

Originally posted by bputman

Oh, this is the best thread I've read today. Wow, you watch one music video, from LADY GAGA, and believe it has depopulation secrets. Wow, you really need to get off ATS once in awhile and breath some fresh air.

The world is overpopulated. Don't believe me, go to a beach in China. Overpopulation also causes intense stress upon our lives. For example, too much traffic, too much waiting in line, overwork do to overpopulation, and on and on.

Please, there are 6,900,000,000 people in this world! It's overcrowded.

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If by overcrowded, you mean that people are gathered in cities, yes. But that is usually a choice, many people flock to cities for the facilities, such as the beaches

It is a matter of space and infrastructure - there are vast parts of the world largely uninhabited, eg Central Australia for one, among many others (I am not getting into the food issue, or suggesting that te planet can house 20 billion), just disagreeing with your choice of word "overcrowded". There are many parts of the planet which are underpopulated, or even uninhabited.

Originally posted by Doomzilla

I heard this too but from Benjamin Fulford (spelling ? ) Its good to hear that we got powerful groups on our side, especially assasins lol

Regarding Fulford I remember Christopher Story mentioning that he was a CIA disinfo agent. That doesn't mean he never reports the truth. A good disinfo source embeds strategic lies into the truth, attracting attention by offering scoops about sensitive stories we're short on info about. Pretty much what Fulford does?

Regarding the Chinese I recently spoke at length with the Ambassador of Taiwan and picked his brain about this in a roundabout way. As any good diplomat he knew how to lie, and as any good spy he also knew how to gather information without giving any away. But what I did ascertain is that they are finally resorting to renew relations with the Mainland and are prepared to make unexpected concessions.

About the ironic aspect of having "assassins on our side" this isn't quite the case. They are on their side. However since the US and Russia have distinct military supremacy, covert operations is the only battleground on which they stand a chance. And the Triads and Yakusa despite their renowned cruelty apparently have more of a code of honor than the CIA whose operations have been subverted for international drug trafficking, child kidnapping rings and running campaigns of terror. To each his own. BTW the Illuminati aren't exactly saints.

Originally posted by 1984hasarrived

If by overcrowded, you mean that people are gathered in cities, yes. But that is usually a choice, many people flock to cities for the facilities, such as the beaches

It is a matter of space and infrastructure - there are vast parts of the world largely uninhabited, eg Central Australia for one, among many others (I am not getting into the food issue, or suggesting that te planet can house 20 billion), just disagreeing with your choice of word "overcrowded". There are many parts of the planet which are underpopulated, or even uninhabited.

Hi 1984hasarrived,


Given that the depopulation agenda has been on the table since the earliest Eugenics efforts over a century ago, and generally accepted by most of the ruling elites for at least half a century, we can assume that at least in part circumstances have been manipulated to concentrate people in overpopulated urban regions while desertifying large expanses of territory. This makes killing them in large numbers a lot more cost effective and easy to implement, and also provides the added benefit of legitimize the act to surviving fools who will have noticed that we're far too many people and that something had to be done.


This is why we'll always hear some people defending genocide saying that without it we'll all be doomed. Anyone say Ted Turner? He said we'll all turn into cannibals. Why not into dog shaggers while he's at it?


Sure there's too many folks stuffed into a small country like China. But they've got on sixth of the population on a small fraction of the planet's land surface. Not to say the more the merrier, but we are far from at the implosion point except for those who have created incentives to overpopulate urban zones and done nothing to allow autonomous rural development to persist.


What's their agenda? 21.


GS

Originally posted by bputman

Oh, this is the best thread I've read today. Wow, you watch one music video, from LADY GAGA, and believe it has depopulation secrets. Wow, you really need to get off ATS once in awhile and breath some fresh air.

The world is overpopulated. Don't believe me, go to a beach in China. Overpopulation also causes intense stress upon our lives. For example, too much traffic, too much waiting in line, overwork do to overpopulation, and on and on.

Please, there are 6,900,000,000 people in this world! It's overcrowded.

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Considering every man, woman and child could all fit inside the state of Rhoad Island.... I'm not too worried. You're buying into the propaganda. The proof is in the OP. It would really be nice if you pundits would read the OP and think about it.

These ideas might be new to you, but research what I'm saying and show me which point is wrong. I can understand why your knee jerk reaction is for your mind to slam shut. But I challenge you to prove me wrong.

Doom and GS great posts. I will reply to them in one long thread, give me a few hours to compose it

Originally posted by Getsmart
reply to post by pianopraze

 

Hi Piano Praze,

Those are some mightily revealing quotes. Add to that Prince Philip (consort to Queen Elizabeth II) wishes he could reincarnate as a deadly virus to exterminate us all, and you get the full impact.

Yes, that is a good quote, it was in the OP I think I should have broken it down into multiple posts, it's so long people get lost and overlook.

“If I were reincarnated I would wish to be returned to earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels.” - Prince Phillip, Duke of Edinburgh, leader of the World Wildlife Fund – quoted in “Are You Ready For Our New Age Future?,” Insiders Report, American Policy Center, December ’95

What is strange is that the Royals and the Illuminati believe their bloodlines are so special because they are of the Devil's seed, also known as Reptilian Aliens by some accounts such as those of ancient Sumer deciphered by Zacharia Sitchin. Truth or fiction matters little as this is part of their own mythology dictating their conduct and justifying human sacrifices either piecemeal in rituals or on a broader scale, such as the tremendous global genocide they are currently implementing. Here is a link to an analysis which at least has the merit of being original, and especially of tying them in with the Nazi movement, which went on to found the CIA and NASA as well as penetrate numerous governments as well as the American Military Industrial Complex. It also suggests there may be an unexpected rationale, bringing forth Armageddon to precipitate the new Zion without us left alive to spoil the party.

I have done extensive research into MK-ULTRA which has shown me that Project Paperclip brought over thousands of NAZI scientists and they were placed into academic and military industrial positions at the highest levels. Verner Von Braun was the head of the rocket design and another (I forget his name) at one point was head of all of NASA. Jim Marrs thoroughly documents NAZI infiltration and their effects in shaping the current fascism taking control of the U.S. in Rule by Secrecy, Alien Agenda and The Rise of the Fourth Reich (and maybe others but those are all i've read so far.) I've bumped into the bloodline and Alien influences but those tend to be with less trustworthy witnesses. I do not trust Icke, Maxwell, etc... and some of the MK victims substantiate portions of this but as their memories are self admittedly suspect and possible contaminated with disinformation to clutter the scene if/when they remember their past... it's hard to do more than put those in a "wait and see" bin in my mind. I am a open minded skeptic.

While such claims seem to be uncanny and almost ridiculous, especially to those who don't believe there are such things as Alien Entities, we must ask ourselves how logical is the UN's Agenda 21 plan to remove human populations from so many locations, as can be seen in this map? Surviving humans will be banned from places colored in red and yellow and forced to remain near railroad tracks in a few large cities. Hopefully not to be used as livestock. If you have a better explanation for such a bizarre regional planning, please provide it.

I remain open but skeptical. I am far from where I thought I would be when I started this study. But I follow the truth and sometimes it truly is stranger than fiction. So I will reserve judgment and am willing to examine any evidence proffered.

When you look at the Middle Ages 99% of the land was owned by the crown. I see this as where they want to return. There need be no aliens to make this "make sense" to such psychopaths.

Originally posted by Getsmart
CIA whose operations have been subverted for international drug trafficking, child kidnapping rings and running campaigns of terror.

Tese assertions have all be substaciated extreemly well and widely. I agree 100%.

Originally posted by Getsmart
What's their agenda? 21.

UNESCO states their agenda is world government through mass media propaganda incorporated into schooling which teaches eco-fascism. Once they get enough people buying into this non-sense they will move to put us all in small cities... aka agenda 21. The eUNgenicists have repeatedly stated their goal is to reduce the population to 500million (it's engraved in stone in Georgia). The Trilaterals state that a good start is a Asian, European, and American Union which then would be overseen by a small global government and world bank. This is all published, not conspiracy.

Here is a video produced by them. I thought it was a farce but it is actually a real video:

Here is my thread on this: ats thread.

Yes, one day I will wake up realizing my food was poisoned not by my wife, but by the elite.

Come on folks, it's okay to look into such things but it goes beyond measure when everything around you looks like a conspiracy.

This thread is bogus and if you want to live like cockroaches, bumping into one another, go ahead.

Originally posted by bputman
Yes, one day I will wake up realizing my food was poisoned not by my wife, but by the elite.

Come on folks, it's okay to look into such things but it goes beyond measure when everything around you looks like a conspiracy.

This thread is bogus and if you want to live like cockroaches, bumping into one another, go ahead.

Come back when you have more to offer than insults.

You have not refuted any of my claims, just tossed innuendo. Step up or step out.

ATS is a place to examine conspiracy not troll. If you can refute any of my claims with facts, please feel free to do so. Until then, this is the last response you get from me. Prove one of the things I've said is wrong if you think i am wrong... i dare you to use your brain.

I have given you quotes from the people in power funding, making and implementing policy proving they are eugenicists and want to kill or sterilize the population. What do you have to offer the discussion?

Originally posted by pianopraze

Here is my thread on this: ats thread.

Hi Piano Praze,


Thanks for the link. However they've removed the first video in your thread, the one where they will ration everything down to water and food. You didn't happen to download it, did you? Do you know where one might find it otherwise?


Thanks in advance.


Getsmart

Originally posted by bputman
Yes, one day I will wake up realizing my food was poisoned not by my wife, but by the elite.

Come on folks, it's okay to look into such things but it goes beyond measure when everything around you looks like a conspiracy.

This thread is bogus and if you want to live like cockroaches, bumping into one another, go ahead.

Originally posted by pianopraze

Come back when you have more to offer than insults.

You have not refuted any of my claims, just tossed innuendo. Step up or step out.

ATS is a place to examine conspiracy not troll. If you can refute any of my claims with facts, please feel free to do so. Until then, this is the last response you get from me. Prove one of the things I've said is wrong if you think i am wrong... i dare you to use your brain.

I have given you quotes from the people in power funding, making and implementing policy proving they are eugenicists and want to kill or sterilize the population. What do you have to offer the discussion?

Hi Piano Praze,


Clearly that poster is either in the wrong forum, he should join the John Birch society or volunteer as a stormtrooper, unless he got rejected thus the dull day job polluting our discussion. You are quite right, it is important to not respond to hecklers without any critical arguments or constructive ideas. That's how they derail threads. TPTB have a lot of money to oppose our ideas but somehow I don't think they're getting value for their money with the level of brains being hired. On the good side, the presence of a disinfo agent is evidence that they are resorting to damage control, that their conspiracy is getting effectively 'outed' by your thread: congrats !


I think what bothers them the most is that you are tying together the various aspects to their dumbing down of the population to reinforce a fully mind controlled New Word Order with a form of Eco-fascism which is so abject and inhuman as to make us regret Stalin and Mao. After all, those two were just 'TEST BALLOONS' sent up to try methods and scientifically study "re-education" by brainwashing and various genocidal measures while at the same time improving their THOUGHT POLICE know-how where kids are trained to spy on their parents.


They have such scorn for us that they don't even bother to hire stooges with so much as a mediocre education and ramp up their efforts in "hot" thread topics with squads of hecklers and naysayers without any redeeming human or intellectual qualities. Debating with them is fruitless as they're just on the job, totally uninvolved with the implications of the real ideas being too clueless to make sense of anything. Instead they just roll out standard debunking procedure to attack honest to goodness truthseekers with an armada of tactics and ploys which originate in military counterintelligence propaganda during insurgencies. After all - for TPTB - we the People are the enemy.


GS

Originally posted by Getsmart
Hi Piano Praze,

Thanks for the link. However they've removed the first video in your thread, the one where they will ration everything down to water and food. You didn't happen to download it, did you? Do you know where one might find it otherwise?

Getsmart

It is "planned-opolis" and i posted it just above. Sorry for being unclear in my post. Here is a repost:

Originally posted by pianopraze
Here is a video produced by them. I thought it was a farce but it is actually a real video:

Here is my thread on this: ats thread.

Originally posted by Getsmart
*snip*
They have such scorn for us that they don't even bother to hire stooges with so much as a mediocre education and ramp up their efforts in "hot" thread topics with squads of hecklers and naysayers without any redeeming human or intellectual qualities. Debating with them is fruitless as they're just on the job, totally uninvolved with the implications of the real ideas being too clueless to make sense of anything. Instead they just roll out standard debunking procedure to attack honest to goodness truthseekers with an armada of tactics and ploys which originate in military counterintelligence propaganda during insurgencies. After all - for TPTB - we the People are the enemy.
GS

I was taken aback for a second, then I realized they are actually complementing my thread. They can not find any thing that they can debunk so the resort to sneer and fear tactics. They are used to the MSM getting away with this crap and emulate them. It does not work here on ATS where people take time to examine and think.

There might be some official government debunkers but I think they would mount more sophisticated attacks.

In essence they are tacitly agreeing.

It just reinforces my thesis and the quality of my post.

Thanks for a really informative post! Great work

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Thank you and welcome to ATS

Eugenics is a nasty subject that is a main part of the globalist agenda. They openly admit it over and over. We need to wake up and realize globalism is bad for our health!

Originally posted by pianopraze

I have done extensive research into MK-ULTRA which has shown me that Project Paperclip brought over thousands of NAZI scientists and they were placed into academic and military industrial positions at the highest levels. Verner Von Braun was the head of the rocket design and another (I forget his name) at one point was head of all of NASA. Jim Marrs thoroughly documents NAZI infiltration and their effects in shaping the current fascism taking control of the U.S. in Rule by Secrecy, Alien Agenda and The Rise of the Fourth Reich (and maybe others but those are all i've read so far.) I've bumped into the bloodline and Alien influences but those tend to be with less trustworthy witnesses. I do not trust Icke, Maxwell, etc... and some of the MK victims substantiate portions of this but as their memories are self admittedly suspect and possible contaminated with disinformation to clutter the scene if/when they remember their past... it's hard to do more than put those in a "wait and see" bin in my mind. I am a open minded skeptic.

Hi Piano Praze,


My own mother worked administrating their electroshocks and all program personnel had to volunteer their own children for experimentation. Where do you think I got my German accent? Regarding the reliability of the first hand accounts of mind control victims, you are right to remain cautious and set them into the general background of your analysis without them taking on a dominant incidence. However it has been established that after a few decades the programming starts to break down and if you succeed in averting the self-destructive instructions in such an event, and aren't particularly targeted as a security risk. In the long term there is a way out, taking the high road filled with obstacles and efforts.


Also, if you study the matter further, it will become apparent that the Nazis running the CIA's program simply modernized techniques which were used by hermetic societies as part of the "education" of rulers as far back as the days of the Pharaohs. The fundamentals were systematized to bring various forms of mental control into industrial scale use for broadened population brainwashing goals.


Schizophrenia is a key, given that the harshest level of mind control is produced by causing such horror and distress that you simply "lose your mind" while they "install" custom-made 'replacement minds' called alternate personalities. By the way those are excellent book references you give and a must read for anyone seriously interested. I can't vouch for Maxwell but while Icke has done in the past some very valid work his entire operation is more than infiltrated, it is permeated with MI6 operatives committed to Cointelpro disinformation and propaganda. There is out truth there, but beware of "who and what" sometimes accompanies it.

Originally posted by pianopraze

I remain open but skeptical. I am far from where I thought I would be when I started this study. But I follow the truth and sometimes it truly is stranger than fiction. So I will reserve judgment and am willing to examine any evidence proffered.

When you look at the Middle Ages 99% of the land was owned by the crown. I see this as where they want to return. There need be no aliens to make this "make sense" to such psychopaths.

Your summary is quite factual, and humanity has been subjected to slavery called by any number of names throughout all of known history. As recently as a century ago, Russian aristocrats OWNED 'Moujik' peasants who came with the land, like an accessory. Many were exterminated by programmed famine after the Russian revolution, given that many remained loyal to their former masters as much of the population in Western nations today remain obedient and observant of the layers of lies they are force fed from cradle to grave.


And you are quite right that there is no reason for "aliens to 'make sense' of such psychopaths". Yet after lengthy observation of the behavior of our ruling Elite, like so many "rats in a sack", there is something distinctly inhuman about their behavior which goes beyond simply psychopathic crimes. After all, crimes against humanity show a total detachment from the rest of our species which is both unnatural and unlikely to continue uninterrupted over thousands of years.


We have the odd conjunction of three things in parallel. The first is the undying practices subjecting the bulk of humanity to enslavement, oppression and even sacrifice, This process has covered the Earth and spanned the centuries throughout all of known human history. The second is the modernization and professionalization of these systems of domination and oppression into a complex array of technologies and methodologies leading to mass mind control in a police state and global genocide. The third is the surrender of the human conscience of those participating, through their "initiation" into secret societies which know no borders and coordinate an Evil Agenda which aims to extirpate anything remotely human which might remain present in our social reality.


This is this highly unlikely combination of factors which brings me to conclude that something distinctly INHUMAN is behind this agenda. Not so much their own allegiance to demonic or paradimensional entities, nor their continuous reverence for uncounted centuries for the All-Seeing-Eye of the "Watchers", nor even my own experience witnessing first hand that such beings do in fact exist. Weighing the evidence of history is more relevant, since we could consider that their cult of entities is simply a misguided belief, that their reference to the Watchers is merely a delusional mechanism to enforce discipline in the ranks, and I would even cast aside my own experience which admittedly might have been induced. But the patterns of history do not lie, especially when they span centuries and continents. When a given agenda appears to go against humanity, and serves only inhuman objectives, maybe it does just that - INHUMAN ?

Originally posted by pianopraze

UNESCO states their agenda is world government through mass media propaganda incorporated into schooling which teaches eco-fascism. Once they get enough people buying into this non-sense they will move to put us all in small cities... aka agenda 21. The eUNgenicists have repeatedly stated their goal is to reduce the population to 500million (it's engraved in stone in Georgia). The Trilaterals state that a good start is a Asian, European, and American Union which then would be overseen by a small global government and world bank. This is all published, not conspiracy.

Thanks for your synopsis of UNESCO's strivings, I wish their promotional material was so explicit. Sustainability has clearly become the buzz word legitimizing any crime they wish to commit. After all, the Earth would survive just fine if there were no humans left aboard, which might be their Final Solution? While you may be right in suggesting that we have simply fallen victim to the Agenda of a group of dominant self-designated 'Aristocrats' who believe themselves superior and want to bring back the "good old feudal times", I am afraid that we are confronted with a far more dangerous enemy with plans which are worse yet.


The Georgia Stones might be simply a false announcement, to lull their accomplices into complacency, After all, who wouldn't want themselves and their family to number among the few survivors? At what cost? Complicity, of course! But there may very well be no survivors. The Final Solution will be FINAL.


Today all that is needed is a few cells of every person alive and you have an entire data set ready to use for engineering the biosphere of any planet you wish, either starting over with Earth or instead ending our presence here until further notice. Whoever is at the helm of this ghastly plot, the Conspiracy of Conspiracies, needn't be in any number, even a well-connected highly integrated autonomous computer would suffice. Science fiction is today possible not only in fiction but in fact. And fact may be stranger than fiction. Add together Genetic Engineering, Depopulation and Genocide and you get a formula for replacing the entire human race with compliant talented obedient genetically engineered cloned supermen and superwomen. Where's the need for so imperfect a person such as you in such a picture?


GS

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Again I concur about MK-ULTRA and I know everything you've said and more... one minor correction is it is DID/MPD not Schizophrenia they seek to induce but I can understand why you would say this to someone you think does not understand MK.

I know nothing about you or if you have a german accent. I would rather deal in evidence than anecdotes. Please present your findings with annotations so I can examine them. I have avoided Icke and Maxwell as sources do you have others?

Originally posted by pianopraze

Again I concur about MK-ULTRA and I know everything you've said and more... one minor correction is it is DID/MPD not Schizophrenia they seek to induce but I can understand why you would say this to someone you think does not understand MK.

Hi Piano Praze,


A valid reliable scientific definition or diagnosis of schizophrenia has not been established, even at this late date. It is an affliction which also happens to be in competition, as to its explanatory causation, with demonic possession which has virtually identical symptoms even if corresponding to very different interpretations. We could call either possession or schizophrenia a "spontaneous" form of DID/MPD, as you seem to prefer that terminology. Both of these instances differ from induced mind control insofar as the controlling entity is not known, or is identified as not being physical.


However, there are some strong genetic indicators for schizophrenia as well as for predispositions as a hypnotic mind control subject. Such occurrence has brought members of the Saxe Coburg Gotha royal lineage of England as "the family disease" whereby invariably at a given time in their life members of that family become "possessed". Also this is alleged to possibly be one of the prime reasons for royal inbreeding as well as their inbreeding among their illegitimate offspring Illuminati families. They are easily possessed and controlled. You are free to determine for yourself if this is by a small group of dominant people or by some other form of entity.


Regarding schizophrenia and much else respective to the true nature of the human mind and soul, I highly suspect Freud and Jung both as having purposely obscured the truth by opposing spiritual insight into such phenomena, and to have actively participated in a plan to unify for manipulation purposes the human psyche behind singular externally controllable behavioral actuators - while at the same time creating a paradigm to remove spirituality from our preoccupations and decisively place the human psyche in realm of scientism.


I call this scientism and not genuine science because in many instances its vocation has been primarily to manipulate while obscuring the truth rather than reveal new knowledge for human progress. Occult societies do not reveal the truth but occult it, and hermetic societies keep the truth hermetically sealed from our knowledge. As many such secret societies are in control of our scientific and academic institutions, we can legitimately wonder if today's science is shifting paradigms because we've learned more, or because the lies that have been promoted as science have a limited shelf-life forcing a shift to a new deceptive theory?


If you want to investigate Freud's involvement with the Tavistock Institute which preceded the Nazis and the CIA in mind control, it is worth looking into. His daughter Anna was at the head of that institute after his death. They used mind control techniques to create 'alters' for embedded British Intelligence agents sent on missions behind enemy lines during WWII. I've done a lot of reading, but for the purpose of educating myself and not of informing you or convincing anyone of what they seek to disbelieve, so I do not have the references handy although much is readily available.

Originally posted by pianopraze

I know nothing about you or if you have a german accent. I would rather deal in evidence than anecdotes. Please present your findings with annotations so I can examine them. I have avoided Icke and Maxwell as sources do you have others?

It is true that you don't know anything about me, admittedly I don't like discussing private information on a public forum. Maybe because she knew too much or more likely because things got ugly and she would no longer play the game, my mother was herself taken away for six months of electroshock treatments and came home 'another woman', almost a 'Stepford wife'. Years later she went on to teach university classes about CIA Mind Control, knowing a thing or two about the subject.


So my sources for this topic come more from my background and experience than from libraries. When taken away as a child for long mind control sessions, or shorter weekend 'retreats', I was greeted by very friendly American nurses working for German doctors. Regarding my prior remark, I have no accent in English but cannot stand to speak German as my accent has the same "Hitlerian thrust" which I heard during those sessions. My programming which may have had an incidence of being something of a child prodigy in many areas, was later followed up at Tavistock in person by R.D. Laing when he ran their programs and I still know people from his entourage. So you will note that not all my observations come with an ISBN book number.


Regarding evidence, who doesn't have a preference for this over subjective and unverifiable anecdotes? But how else than with anecdotes can we know history, where so much has been manipulated and re-written that only the occasional anecdote can reveal the cracks in the edifice? Having done a good bit of research in cognitive science, I have come to a "temporary conclusion" that it is plausible that the key to all of this is the character of the human mind, identity and character formation as well as the actuators of power of mind over behavior. Whether done by immaterial entities called demons or by seemingly possessed Nazi scientists, splitting the mind to gain full access to a person's conscience and actions is at the heart of the mind control process. In my humble opinion this is a method which has been used for a very long time. It is said that WWIII will be a war for our minds, but this war has been waged since time immemorial.


The status of world affairs have always been alarming to those in the know, but today the prospect of massive depopulation and the mustering in of a full fledged global totalitarian dictatorship leaves little room for hesitation when choosing sides. This is no longer a polarized political gambit, or a matter of what ideas you defend or way of life you support. It is a question of whether you choose to still belong to the human race.


GS

Originally posted by Getsmart

Originally posted by pianopraze

Again I concur about MK-ULTRA and I know everything you've said and more... one minor correction is it is DID/MPD not Schizophrenia they seek to induce but I can understand why you would say this to someone you think does not understand MK.

Hi Piano Praze,


A valid reliable scientific definition or diagnosis of schizophrenia has not been established, even at this late date. It is an affliction which also happens to be in competition, as to its explanatory causation, with demonic possession which has virtually identical symptoms even if corresponding to very different interpretations. We could call either possession or schizophrenia a "spontaneous" form of DID/MPD, as you seem to prefer that terminology. Both of these instances differ from induced mind control insofar as the controlling entity is not known, or is identified as not being physical.

If such incidents are real, not mental health problems, yes. In the programing system each alter is sealed with a Daemon. I have not figured out if this is real or symbolic as Daemon has programing connotation also. It could also be both

However, there are some strong genetic indicators for schizophrenia as well as for predispositions as a hypnotic mind control subject. Such occurrence has brought members of the Saxe Coburg Gotha royal lineage of England as "the family disease" whereby invariably at a given time in their life members of that family become "possessed". Also this is alleged to possibly be one of the prime reasons for royal inbreeding as well as their inbreeding among their illegitimate offspring Illuminati families. They are easily possessed and controlled. You are free to determine for yourself if this is by a small group of dominant people or by some other form of entity.

The ability to disassociate is thought to be inherited. Maybe it's the 100th monkey syndrome, maybe it is the mitochondria. Maybe they are wrong. Either way Celtic/Druidic and Indian/Shamanic blood is sought. I have no information on aliens or entities. I do not reject it (or embrace it), I just have not gone there in my study.

Regarding schizophrenia and much else respective to the true nature of the human mind and soul, I highly suspect Freud and Jung both as having purposely obscured the truth by opposing spiritual insight into such phenomena, and to have actively participated in a plan to unify for manipulation purposes the human psyche behind singular externally controllable behavioral actuators - while at the same time creating a paradigm to remove spirituality from our preoccupations and decisively place the human psyche in realm of scientism.

I enjoy and concur with your term "scientism." Pseudo-science works. They enjoy dabbling in many pseudo-sciences as eugenics is definitely a pseudo-science. I might concur with your assessment of the idiot freud, but Jung delved into the Spiritual. I found out I was tracing all the avenues of study of Jung.

I call this scientism and not genuine science because in many instances its vocation has been primarily to manipulate while obscuring the truth rather than reveal new knowledge for human progress. Occult societies do not reveal the truth but occult it, and hermetic societies keep the truth hermetically sealed from our knowledge. As many such secret societies are in control of our scientific and academic institutions, we can legitimately wonder if today's science is shifting paradigms because we've learned more, or because the lies that have been promoted as science have a limited shelf-life forcing a shift to a new deceptive theory?

A deviously tempting theory. This would explain why quantum physics is being used on the academic level but does not make it's way into the text books (even college science textbooks) or into the Main Stream Media reporting which tends to pretend we still use "classic" physics... i.e. Einstein... A 2 tier society results. Only science majors are inculcated into the true science and from there into the societies (or vice versa).

If you want to investigate Freud's involvement with the Tavistock Institute which preceded the Nazis and the CIA in mind control, it is worth looking into. His daughter Anna was at the head of that institute after his death. They used mind control techniques to create 'alters' for embedded British Intelligence agents sent on missions behind enemy lines during WWII. I've done a lot of reading, but for the purpose of educating myself and not of informing you or convincing anyone of what they seek to disbelieve, so I do not have the references handy although much is readily available.

They went much farther than this.

It is true that you don't know anything about me, admittedly I don't like discussing private information on a public forum. Maybe because she knew too much or more likely because things got ugly and she would no longer play the game, my mother was herself taken away for six months of electroshock treatments and came home 'another woman', almost a 'Stepford wife'. Years later she went on to teach university classes about CIA Mind Control, knowing a thing or two about the subject.

De-patterning? I know this was done by Cameron: link.

So my sources for this topic come more from my background and experience than from libraries. When taken away as a child for long mind control sessions, or shorter weekend 'retreats', I was greeted by very friendly American nurses working for German doctors. Regarding my prior remark, I have no accent in English but cannot stand to speak German as my accent has the same "Hitlerian thrust" which I heard during those sessions. My programming which may have had an incidence of being something of a child prodigy in many areas, was later followed up at Tavistock in person by R.D. Laing when he ran their programs and I still know people from his entourage. So you will note that not all my observations come with an ISBN book number.

All true MK victims have intelligences in the Genius realms "they could make more than two normal children"

Regarding evidence, who doesn't have a preference for this over subjective and unverifiable anecdotes? But how else than with anecdotes can we know history, where so much has been manipulated and re-written that only the occasional anecdote can reveal the cracks in the edifice? Having done a good bit of research in cognitive science, I have come to a "temporary conclusion" that it is plausible that the key to all of this is the character of the human mind, identity and character formation as well as the actuators of power of mind over behavior. Whether done by immaterial entities called demons or by seemingly possessed Nazi scientists, splitting the mind to gain full access to a person's conscience and actions is at the heart of the mind control process. In my humble opinion this is a method which has been used for a very long time. It is said that WWIII will be a war for our minds, but this war has been waged since time immemorial.

I appreciate "temporary conclusion" as this is how I hold all information.

The status of world affairs have always been alarming to those in the know, but today the prospect of massive depopulation and the mustering in of a full fledged global totalitarian dictatorship leaves little room for hesitation when choosing sides. This is no longer a polarized political gambit, or a matter of what ideas you defend or way of life you support. It is a question of whether you choose to still belong to the human race.

I avoid dualism like the plague. An interesting byproduct is made when they kill you. Their message is we control your living and dieing and control you after death... but they open you up to Love that is greater. On one level it works, on another level it subverts their purposes. Love is the most subversive element in the universe.

GS

My responses are in red above. There are other things I mean to say, but I keep forgetting as I'm reading/typing... they'll come out eventually. *sigh*

a very informative response, thanks. And I agree with most of your points - a population is easier to control if they are in one location (based in cities), everyone is on a database, photographed etc etc. I will not list all the ways we are tagged, followed and monitored - all of us here know them.

I was just being pedantic, and questioing your original choice of word "overcrowded"

Originally posted by Getsmart

Originally posted by 1984hasarrived

If by overcrowded, you mean that people are gathered in cities, yes. But that is usually a choice, many people flock to cities for the facilities, such as the beaches

It is a matter of space and infrastructure - there are vast parts of the world largely uninhabited, eg Central Australia for one, among many others (I am not getting into the food issue, or suggesting that te planet can house 20 billion), just disagreeing with your choice of word "overcrowded". There are many parts of the planet which are underpopulated, or even uninhabited.

Hi 1984hasarrived,


Given that the depopulation agenda has been on the table since the earliest Eugenics efforts over a century ago, and generally accepted by most of the ruling elites for at least half a century, we can assume that at least in part circumstances have been manipulated to concentrate people in overpopulated urban regions while desertifying large expanses of territory. This makes killing them in large numbers a lot more cost effective and easy to implement, and also provides the added benefit of legitimize the act to surviving fools who will have noticed that we're far too many people and that something had to be done.


This is why we'll always hear some people defending genocide saying that without it we'll all be doomed. Anyone say Ted Turner? He said we'll all turn into cannibals. Why not into dog shaggers while he's at it?


Sure there's too many folks stuffed into a small country like China. But they've got on sixth of the population on a small fraction of the planet's land surface. Not to say the more the merrier, but we are far from at the implosion point except for those who have created incentives to overpopulate urban zones and done nothing to allow autonomous rural development to persist.


What's their agenda? 21.


GS

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Great expose! S&F!

No doubt in my mind, the music industry holds an imprortant place in that it is a principal
brainwashing mechanism at work day and night.

I am not sure if it was posted in the thread...so apoligies if so...

On the Eugenics...and population control agenda, they have been at work for a while.

National Security Study Memorandum 200
en.wikipedia.org...

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Yes, that is part of it all. It is so vast it boggles the mind. They have been working on this for a long, long, time.

Kissenger is at the center of a lot of this. He is a extreme globalist, eugenicist and member/founder of CFR/Trilateral and a Bilderberg member.

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It's funny how posting a number of videos presenting Neo-NaZi-onist Henry "Heinz" Kissinger got everyone so turned off that we all tuned out of this thread and moved on to less distasteful activities...

Originally posted by pianopraze

If such incidents are real, not mental health problems, yes. In the programing system each alter is sealed with a Daemon. I have not figured out if this is real or symbolic as Daemon has programing connotation also. It could also be both

That they use Daemons to SEAL in the ALTER into the MK ULTRA Victim is revealing of the strong connection between OCCULT BLACK MAGICK and the CIA's MIND CONTROL Programs.

Originally posted by pianopraze

The ability to disassociate is thought to be inherited. Maybe it's the 100th monkey syndrome, maybe it is the mitochondria. Maybe they are wrong. Either way Celtic/Druidic and Indian/Shamanic blood is sought. I have no information on aliens or entities. I do not reject it (or embrace it), I just have not gone there in my study.

They apparently use a similar method of bloodline selection as for membership into their Secret Societies, Espionage Agencies or Masonic higher levels, based upon genetics and/or one's ascendancy. This apparently has served well the purposes of secrecy, the meshing of victims with their henchmen through family ties and dominance relationships.

Originally posted by pianopraze

I enjoy and concur with your term "scientism." Pseudo-science works. They enjoy dabbling in many pseudo-sciences as eugenics is definitely a pseudo-science. I might concur with your assessment of the idiot freud, but Jung delved into the Spiritual. I found out I was tracing all the avenues of study of Jung.

I came to that perhaps hasty conclusion upon examining the attachment of members of my own family who were adepts of Jung while at the same time operating Mind Control programming with electroshocks for the parties in question. Maybe it was schematic but altogether I find that at best Jung failed to consider how his work might be utilized.

Originally posted by pianopraze

A deviously tempting theory. This would explain why quantum physics is being used on the academic level but does not make it's way into the text books (even college science textbooks) or into the Main Stream Media reporting which tends to pretend we still use "classic" physics... i.e. Einstein... A 2 tier society results. Only science majors are inculcated into the true science and from there into the societies (or vice versa).

I think this 2 Tiers version of reality is beyond field cleavages, with the same holding true in other disciplines. My own research was 'integrated' into their knowledge base but was discretely blocked from dissemination by multiple methods.

Originally posted by pianopraze

All true MK victims have intelligences in the Genius realms "they could make more than two normal children"

I don't know whether there is a rapport between the number of potential Alters and the intelligence of the subject being programmed. Also while I would concur that most MK Ultra victims are selected among intelligent kids I cannot vouch for any labeling of them at 'Genius' levels.

Originally posted by pianopraze

I avoid dualism like the plague. An interesting byproduct is made when they kill you. Their message is we control your living and dieing and control you after death... but they open you up to Love that is greater. On one level it works, on another level it subverts their purposes. Love is the most subversive element in the universe.

They do try to harness your love for ulterior motives, the former victims of Josef Mengele attest to this when they still call him Daddy and claim that they love him.


GS