Numerous UFOs near O'hare Airport 2011

If it was heard over the radio that there were ufo's and someone said to file a report.

Then there should be archive data of transmissions as well as an actual report somewhere......

reply to post by apodictic


Hold your horses!!! This one was slipped in, almost slipped by....let's take a closer look:

Yeah nevermind the conversation with the guy I had who recorded the bloomingdale video, in which he stated he had dinner with a friend who works at DuPage airport ground control, and he said they had a pilot radio in there were objects along side of him that weren't showing up on radar.

??? Did I miss this mentioned earlier, by you? Kinda came out of the blue, seems to me. BTW...the Bloomingdale video that you re-posted a few up....isn't that the EXACT same one that is the basis for this thread OP?? I (and many others) pointed out specifically on that the appearance is airliners lined up in a row, and off in the distance, was obvious. I also pointed out that the camera never stayed in place for long enough to detect their motion properly...BECAUSE they are so far away, the motion is slow, in relative terms, to the viewer from that distance. I also mentioned the three ground-based lights in a triangle, left of screen in some shots...use those to compare the motion of the "lights in the sky". You will see definite, slow and steady changes...JUST LIKE AIRPLANES at a distance!

Now....you say the guy (and or?) his Dad, from Bloomington spoke to whom? A "friend who works at DuPage airport ground control"?

OK...firstly, to me if you are referring to an air traffic controller, and a position they work...."ground control" is one duty inside an airport control tower....and, it is what it says. Issuing of taxi clearances,and directing ground traffic. The other function is called "local" control...they are responsible for takeoff and landing clearances, and local air traffic as it departs and arrives within about a 5 mile radius. Both positions are in the same control tower cab....and, when it's slow, they can be staffed by one person. He/she can set his radio to transmit on the two different frequencies simultaneously.

So...Bloomington man has dinner with an air traffic controller who works at the DuPage control tower?? Am I correct so far? Going with that...the ATC guy claims a pilot reported "objects alongside of him" that weren't "showing up on radar"?

All right...well, was this PIREP (pilot report) at the SAME TIME as the Bloomington man's video?? (Roughly 20:00 CST). This anonymous pilot says "objects"....if it was dark of night, then wouldn't he have said "lights"?

Now....pilots (even fairly inexperienced Student and Private Pilots) are better eyewitnesses than the average layperson, usually....but, being human can still mistake normal things if they appear "odd". There's an old anecdote about a pilot for a Mexican airline, some years ago, all excited on the frequency about a "UFO"...the controller is asking questions, when an American accented voice comes on and says, rather sardonically, "He's looking at Venus!".

Now....DuPage Airport: It is West of O'Hare. Kind of in your area, maybe? flightaware.com...

So.....this anonymous pilot, tells an air traffic controller at DuPage about "objects alongside him"?? BUT, you say these lights you (and Bloomington guy) filmed are over the Lake....or, according to you, farther East over Michigan?? Dude....seems unlikely a pilot would be talking to the DuPage control tower while he was still way out over the Lake. Look at my link, there....that is the VFR Sectional chart for the Chicago area. Zoom out, move it around, just like you do on Google Map.

See the light blue arcs? Those define the "Class B" airspace...merely the areas that require positive two-way radio and radar contact before entering. See the numbers inside the sectors, printed like this:

100
30

That example tells the pilot the segment of Class B airspace is in effect from 10,000 MSL to 3,000 MSL (MSL = Mean Sea Level). Note the terrain in your neck of the woods, about 600 to 700 feet MSL....so, if you're VFR, and don't want to talk to the TRACON (Chicago Approach Control) you can just skirt underneath the Class B....but, remember the regulations require at least 1,000 feet above the surface, over populated areas. It's doable, obviously. But, again....out over the Lake, why would a small airplane be talking to DuPage Tower yet?

One more thing....the "not showing up on radar" comment. It would require the DuPage Tower to have a radar screen installed in their facility. I don't know if this is the case....it is possible, many such "satellite" airports have access to the same displays that the TRACON and major airports also have. But, they may only be able to look, lot interact with the radar controls...as to display options, etc. Changing range scales, display of primary (versus secondary) targets, and such. So, I smell some disinfo on this "not showing up on radar" business.

Sounds like a crock story....and another example of misplaced hysteria and exaggeration.

reply to post by weedwhacker


It was mentioned much earlier in one of the 3 threads...not sure which.

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by weedwhacker

 

It was mentioned much earlier in one of the 3 threads...not sure which.

Kind of confusing having 3 threads about the same thing isn't it.

reply to post by cripmeister


Ya but what can ya do when people refuse to read? lol.

reply to post by GenRadek


Those are frakking hilarious!!! (BTW...."frak" is a word describing the process of obtaining natural gas from the earth's crust....it is not a cuss word....it was used in the Chat Room last night. By members of ATS staff....)...

So, those were lights from the frakking of natural gas....(AKA "swamp gas")....right??

Nah!!! Pulling your legs....it WAS funny, GenR!! Nice to see the YouTards get some of their own medicine.....sarcastic and owning at the same time....(who was the YouTuber you mentioned?? I say this to make it clear it was NOT the OP video maker, nor the ATS members who also posted YouTube videos...as far as I know, anyways...)

Sadly, I doubt the "true believers" (or other poseurs) will pay attention to those examples....instead, I fear they will continue to either confuse what they see, or attempt to confuse their audience in order to deceive. Depends on motives, which are difficult to ascertain, from behind a computer monitor screen......

reply to post by weedwhacker


Thanks! Actually that was my brother narrating the video (he's not on ATS), you can hear me in the background adding commentary, especially at the end of the second video, where you can hear my response to the "excitement" of UFOs coming at us! and yes it was me, and we filmed this back in May of 2009. I found the video after looking for it on my external harddrive, and posted it on youtube. I wanted to post it on ATS but the upload page is still deactivated. The two videos I posted were done by me and my brother!

If you google map Montrose and Osceola, Norridge, IL that is the location we filmed from for the second video. The first video was a little farther west of the second video. The 10-28 runway "landing" air corridor (as I call it, but I hope you know what I mean, lol) was just north of us, and usually flies over (east - west) Lawrence from Austin, when it turns into Gunnison Ave till about Harlem Ave (north - south). That is the BEST location for plane spotting low flying aircraft for landing. So if you google map the streets, you can picture the air corridor directly over Lawrence/Gunnison (give or take a block or two north)

Yeah I doubt the "true believers" will ever notice or watch the videos. I knew I had those two filmed and just had to post them up. I'll try to get a better video sometime in the near future where you can see MORE of the lights coming in to land at O'Hare.

reply to post by weedwhacker


Once again, it's bloomingdale not bloomington.

second of all, I didn't say they were the same objects in the video, I was just stating it was on the same night.

thirdly, I don't know the lingo, I was only using the terminology the guy gave me in his message.

Originally posted by apodictic
reply to post by PhotonEffect

 

Yeah nevermind the conversation with the guy I had who recorded the bloomingdale video, in which he stated he had dinner with a friend who works at DuPage airport ground control, and he said they had a pilot radio in there were objects along side of him that weren't showing up on radar. To which they responded "just file a UFO report."

Oh dear.
Psychology 101...it's the post that confirms all for me.

Originally posted by OptimisticPessimist

Originally posted by apodictic
reply to post by PhotonEffect

 

Yeah nevermind the conversation with the guy I had who recorded the bloomingdale video, in which he stated he had dinner with a friend who works at DuPage airport ground control, and he said they had a pilot radio in there were objects along side of him that weren't showing up on radar. To which they responded "just file a UFO report."

Oh dear.
Psychology 101...it's the post that confirms all for me.

edit on 20-2-2011 by OptimisticPessimist because: (no reason given)

Yes? I study child psychology. Mind filling me in on what you are eluding to?

reply to post by GenRadek


Thanks for posting the videos. Thanks for confirming with those videos that the OP's "UFO's" were in fact airplanes. This is all I wanted to see to rule out possible extraterrestrials.

reply to post by Equinox99


Didn't rule out the 2 hours they were visible for, which everyone keeps ignoring lol

reply to post by apodictic


Honestly from what I seen on GenRadek's video's shows the exact same type of video as the OP brought including the arches. Unless you have the full 2 hour video with those "UFO's" hovering I can't say I believe they were UFO's. But with all due respect, from my perspective, the videos showing the airplanes showed almost identical behaviour as the OP's videos. So if you can show otherwise I am with the skeptics now.

reply to post by Equinox99


Excellent point, I keep trying to emphasize:

Unless you have the full 2 hour video ....

This "2 hour" meme has taken off, with a life of its own....and is complete hearsay. I suggest it is a part of Human nature....like this:

Person comes outside, sees what appear "odd" to him....watches for an indeterminate time (it is well known that when distracted, our internal time-keeping/measuring abilities are weak). Decides to video it. Goes in, gets the camera, comes back out. Videos for a few minutes. Looks down, around....goes back indoors, comes back out, etc. All in the course, perhaps, of two hours elapsing.

BUT....during that time period, unseen or unnoticed, the lights are constantly changing position, albeit very slowly. AND (since they are most likely airplanes) the ones that are going out of view are replaced by more, at the "back of the line"...so, occasional casual glances, with no scientific control or measure.....well, you can see how this happens. The Human mind work at one speed, usually....and things that happen very slowly are barely imperceptible to it. Like, watching grass grow....or, a flower open... (extreme examples, as a joke....but, is sort of the point...).

The main thrust of this is (or should be) painfully obvious, though. It is the LACK of reports!!! The sheer fact of only a hanful of accounts, no news media coverage, etc. Compare to a place like Gulf Breeze, Florida some years ago, for instance. MAJOR difference in numbers of people reporting, and media interest, etc. AND, puzzlement about the source of the sightings....unlike this case.

I'd agree.

As I said before, only way you can prove otherwise would be to get more footage, up close, better quality and of longer duration. Any claims you make have to be backed up, if you can't then that hole will end up being smashed to bits on places like this. Rightly or wrongly so, if you want the truth, you have to take it on the chin and get the evidence for your claims, what ever they be.

reply to post by weedwhacker


It's not really hearsay....since I said I sat and watched them for 2 hours. But okay I'm done here. They're planes, you guys rule

reply to post by apodictic


I personally, would like to know what they are if you believe they are not planes. If I am right in understanding, you are not claiming they are UFO's of the ET variety but possibly man made/government objects.

reply to post by StarblazerUK


I don't know, that's why I refer to them as unidentified

reply to post by Human_Alien


seriously? we are reduced to thinking some bright lights are UFO's? are we that desperate now? sheesh.

reply to post by StarblazerUK


That's assuming a report was ever filed in the first place.

And if you can find ANY archived transmissions from DuPage airport, I'll be impressed.

All I'm doing is passing on what this guy is telling me. He messaged me back again today.

No, I don't think he knows for sure. He works on the ground actually guiding planes in most of the time, but I believe he happened to be inside the ground control center at the time when everyone was discussing it. Either that or he heard it in his headphone ears. I'll ask him.

I'm going to be making another video of the same spot in the next few days to show the contrast of there being lights in the sky and there not being lights in the sky. A lot of people are dismissing them as planes lights, which they obviously were not.