On Masonic Charity. The world's largest non religious charity scam. On the Shriners and Jesters.

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by no1smootha

 

DeMoulins Bros side degree paraphernalia

Whats that?

www.phoenixmasonry.org...

Many side degrees will thrust an application form your way at the slightest hint of any interest so be prepared for that!
www.thefreemason.com...

Sicne the thread is on the "Shriners and Jesters," the Shriners and Jesters are "side degrees;" they are organisations that one cannot join unless one first joins a "regular" Masonic lodge; it has been said that many men join Masonry simply in order to join such "side degrees," such as the Shriners and Jesters where they can enjoy functions with strippers and prostitutes which are paid for with charity funds.

In Masonry there seems to be cults within cults within cults, for men who have masochistic tendencies and who like to by humiliated, degraded, abused and made submissive by other men.

Lux

ROJ Wives Club says:
August 18, 2010 at 12:11 pm
After 30 years of marriage to a Shriner I finally realized what a life I wasted with someone who lies, cheats and deceives me. My husband joined the Freemasons after we had been married about 5 years and being the narcissist that he is things quickly got out of hand –he is currently a member of 15+ organizations. It doesn’t stop with the Shrine there are spin off organizations they join such as the Royal Order of Jesters, Order of the Q, Billiken Clubs, Jesters on Wheels, etc. that keep them gone on weekends and will drain your bank accounts. These organizations promote immoral activities that are published as STAG events that include prostitution. Over the years while doing the wash I found call girl cards, phone numbers, Viagra, and other memorabilia in my husband’s pockets after he returned from the “Books”. These Books are nothing more than excuses to leave your wife and family and do whatever you want – your marriage vows are checked at the door. What goes on behind the secret Shrine/ROJ curtain stays behind the curtain. They will lie to your face and in court to protect each other. One protection they can’t offer is from HIV – Jester Girls should be tested more often. I recommend to other wives that you have your husband HIV tested regularly if he joins any of these organizations or your life will be in danger and not just from his threats. The Sam Houston email regarding the Royal Order of Jesters is not isolated to Texas and New York this behavior exists in every state under the fraternal cloak of darkness. They are brainwashed to acknowledge Hiram Abiff as their savior and to believe in a supreme being that is not Jesus Christ. Like they say SO LET IT BE


HEATHER J. says:
September 24, 2009 at 12:29 pm
I am divorced after 30 yrs of marriage to a ROJ member. He was a respected educator esteemed by the community where we lived, worked, farmed and raised our children. We were not wealthy but he was accepted as a member of the ROJ on the recommendation of his very wealthy brother and on the condition that he do the “secretarial” work for his court. He did not like this job since he felt it was demeaning. When I once asked him why he agreed to do it, his response was “because I would not be able to be a Jester any other way.” He is a Mason and rose to respected leadership and honour in that order. He subsequently joined the Shrine. I had always been a supportive partner in all of his extracurricular activities related, inter alia, to Masonry and Shrinedom. Our marriage had been one that was based on love, hard work, trust and mutual respect. But then my husband joined the ROJ. He was away many weekends, out of the country and at Books of the Play in our country. These diversions strained our budget in a huge way. Over time, our relationship, and my husband’s relationship with our aware and intelligent teenagers began deteriorating. He was aloof, often in a bad mood, uncommunicative and unsupportive of anything to do with mutual or family activities. He acted like he did not like any of us anymore. (It was himself he didn’t like anymore!) He did, however, always tell me upon returning from a ROJ event, of all the activities that went on there – much of which has been written about on various related websites recently. I could not condone this behaviour of the many men I knew who were Jesters, but at that point, I still believed my husband when he said he did not engage in any of these activities. I often directly challenged him on how he could purport to adhere to the morals and principles espoused by Masonry and still turn a blind eye to the behaviour of his “Masonic” friends and family members who had become members of the ROJ. One day he informed me that he did not want to be married anymore. I could not understand why, initially. It was when we were well into the legal separation stage that my son, of all people, told me what his father had been up to all this time. My husband had earlier in the year taken our son into his confidence and subsequently to one of the out of country weekends to educate him as to what went on at these events – I guess as a means of educating our son in the ways of manhood and manly activities. At that point, my husband was having an affair with a woman in the US and also having affairs when in home country ROJ territory. Some educator! Some education! I was appalled, angry, disgusted, betrayed and completely ambushed and damaged by this information. The rest is very painful history and now belongs in my past – not my present. My children are now married with children of their own. Their father is part of their lives once again, but that is due to their initiative and courage to engage with him in recent years. He is still a very active Jester and travels to the BOP’s many time a year. He and I still must connect politely at family gatherings. He still seems in need of my friendship from time to time and I remain detached and cool, but I keep the peace. I have paid a very painful price for this peace. No, I do not have anything good to say about Jesters or this organization of primarily very wealthy (but incredibly selfish and narcissistic hedonists), influential men from around the world. I know too much. And many of the Jesters I know, know I know too much. The behaviour of adult, seemingly successful and intelligent men at the various venues of the ROJ does nothing but bring sadness to my soul. I thought, rather naively I suppose, that overall male intelligence and moral decency had risen considerably above the level of the “the other head” in recent generations. How wrong I feel about that now. I do not understand why a group of men must have a “secret” and exclusive club to engage in deviant sexual (as morally and legally defined) behaviour and other non-mainstream activities such as cock and dog fights. There are surely enough other venues, opportunities and freedom of choice these days for any adult man or woman to have their non-mainstraim needs met. Why the need for disguising as “phun” and secretly condoning such behavior in a group comprised mainly of so-called “elitists”? Sick, sicker and sickest. There is, IMHO, absolutely no merit to this Masonic/Shrine offshoot organization whatsoever. Thanks for the opportunity to rant.

www.freemasoninformation.com...

But sources close to the investigation and former Jesters from other parts of the country tell a different story, one of bizarre activities — including routinely hiring prostitutes for gatherings, sex competitions and degrading initiation rites for new members — at many Jesters outings, with off-duty police hired to keep nonmembers away......

Last August Martin (te Jester's president) sent a directive to all 191 local chapters, forbidding the following conduct during initiation ceremonies:

• “Any type of physical brutality, such as whipping, beating, striking, branding, electronic shocking [or] placing of a harmful substance on the body.”

• Sleep deprivation, exposure to the elements, confinement to small spaces, or other activity that subjects Jesters to “an unreasonable risk of harm.”

www.noonehastodietomorrow.com...

Originally posted by no1smootha
reply to post by Stormdancer777

 

DeMoulin Bros was a supply for the many different Fraternities that flourished in the 20th century. The Odd Fellows, Elks, Woodsmen, Freemasons and others. The catalog included devices for hazing rituals used in some of the Fraternities, as I said I have never seen them used in the Blue Lodge (first three degrees of Masonry) or in Scottish rite through the 32nd. Lucy is correct, I can't speak for York Rite or Shrine because I am not a member of those appendent bodies but have read the ritual of York Rite which made no mention of hazing, being a solemn ritual.

You can read the historic catalog at Phoenixmasonry's Museum.

www.phoenixmasonry.org...

TY, I had no idea, although once I heard the Odd Fellows kept a skeleton in their closet, literally,

My grandfather and father were president and vice president of the local odd fellows, this is creepy

I hope they didn't do those things.

Originally posted by Stormdancer777

Originally posted by no1smootha
reply to post by Stormdancer777

 

DeMoulin Bros was a supply for the many different Fraternities that flourished in the 20th century. The Odd Fellows, Elks, Woodsmen, Freemasons and others. The catalog included devices for hazing rituals used in some of the Fraternities, as I said I have never seen them used in the Blue Lodge (first three degrees of Masonry) or in Scottish rite through the 32nd. Lucy is correct, I can't speak for York Rite or Shrine because I am not a member of those appendent bodies but have read the ritual of York Rite which made no mention of hazing, being a solemn ritual.

You can read the historic catalog at Phoenixmasonry's Museum.

www.phoenixmasonry.org...

TY, I had no idea, although once I heard the Odd Fellows kept a skeleton in their closet, literally,

My grandfather and father were president and vice president of the local odd fellows, this is creepy

I hope they didn't do those things.

Nothing like what is advertised is used in the York Rite either . There is no hazing what so ever in any of the degrees in my state . As for side degrees , I do not partake in them as they have nothing to do with Freemasonry , nor do I have anything to do with the Shrine as it was not what I was looking for in Freemasonry . As a matter of fact my local Shrine is dying because young men do not want anything to do with it .And what the Jesters do are in no way , shape or form a reflection on the Shrine or Freemasonry (there are bad apples in any group who put said group in a bad light) . The Jesters are a select bunch who make up an extremely , extremely small percentage of Shriners , let alone Freemasons .

I really have no idea why every post Lucy posts has to have a picture to one of these advertisements since it seems to have nothing to do with the topic at hand .

I really wish there was an ignore button on this site .

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Well that literature would have been my granddads and dads era, I am 60 now,
When I first got on line I looked into the Odd fellows, and didn't find this stuff.

I have to say they were odd, and the letters from wives reminded me of accusations my mother used to make, which sent her to the psych floor, they said she was crazy.

Now I am wondering

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I appreciate that you cited the source of the images of the De Moulin catalog.

You are correct, some men join Freemasonry with the intent of joining the Mystic Shrine, roughly 33% if the data is correct. However, this means that 66%, the majority of Freemasons have no interest in becoming a Shriner.

Further, the Jesters have membership in the Shrine as a requirement and you reported there are 25,000 members of the ROJ, seems like a lot doesn't it? However, this is raw data and it means nothing unless we do statistics.

So, 25,000 of 500,000 Shriners are Jesters, which means one out of twenty Shriners is a member of ROJ. Further, 25,000 of 1,500,000 Regular Freemasons in USA are Jesters. This means that one out of fifty Freemasons is a Jester. Even if we assume that every last Jester is bad, we would have to demonstrate that this incidence is statistically significant by comparing the rate of deviant behavior in society as a whole with a null hypothesis test.

Originally posted by whenandwhere
I really have no idea why every post Lucy posts has to have a picture to one of these advertisements since it seems to have nothing to do with the topic at hand .

The Jesters and Shriners are side degrees where it has been reported that there are "hazing" rituals, caging, and various forms of humiliation including sexual humiliation, electrocution; the catalogue merely offers a glimpse into the nature of such "hazing," which is clearly intended to produce an obedience, subservient slave of the organisation; indeed almost all major Capitalist gangs have such initiation rituals, including the Bloods, the Crips, the Russian and Italian Mafia, the Triads and the Yakuza. Some of these initiations, like the one in the testimony below, of being stripped naked and having a brick tied to his penis, are just downright silly, just as the equipment in the Demoulin catalogue is rather silly; however I think that it is important in understanding what American Freemasonry is.

It has been suggested on this thread, that the reported behaviour of Shriners and Jesters is not widespread, but limited to the activities of a few men, and on the other hand it has been suggested that such behaviour is widespread and the numerous articles on this thread appear to establish that.

For those of you who read this post are a Mason or not, please take into consideration what I am about to discuss. I want to say that I am a former member of the Royal Order of Jesters and a past Director of my local Court. My name is ficticious in order to hide my identity so those Jesters who are members of my Shrine Temple will not know who I am. I am not fearing for my life or any such thing, but I would certainly recieve a cold shoulder and disgust if not shunned and tried to force my removal as a member of the Temple which I am still very active in.

In defense of Freemasonry, I will say that 95% of the membership know little or nothing of the ROJ or what they do. The ROJ is a hush hush order and not ever to be spoken of in front of non-members. In some Temples the ROJ is the only way some men will be elected to the Divan (elected officers of the local Shrine Temple) while in some it will bar you from becoming a member of the Divan.

Here is a word for word quote from the book describing , WHAT A JESTER IS.

The Royal Order of Jesters is a luxury organization - for only those who can qualify and afford it. Any man proposed for membership should be of such financial status that his dues, assesments and expenditures incidental to his membership, will cause no embarassement or deprivation to his family, business associates, or any others to whom he may be at any time obligated.

He must be a good Shriner in good standing in his temple and pre requisite bodies, and must maintain these memberships if invited to become a Royal Jester.

Because membership in the Royal Order of Jesters is limited, each member is expected to be active as possible. To be a good Jester he should attend the business and social functions of his Court whenever called.

This invitation is usually extended to only those Nobles with enough political pull or power in the Temple or reserved for Past Grand's or the super wealthy. Membership in the Jesters is prestigious and costly. I paid many 1000's of dollars a year in dues and assesments over the years. It is true and some will try and deny it but prostitution and gambling and a whole lot of drinking happens at every Jester function, minus a few. Once or twice a year a Court holds a Co-Ed function where the wives may attend.

Prostitution is the Order of business at the National Book of the Play. The way that the Jesters try to claim there are no prostitutes is because the women are not in the same room but are in rooms paid for out of the Budget of the Play. I have attended many plays over the years and have seen as many as twenty plus women and as little as 1 at various functions. The women come with a certificate that states they are free of all STD's and only then are they allowed to work. ( wouldn't want the Jester to come home and bring something back to his wife that he can't explain, huh?)

Some will say not all Jesters participate in this and that is true, but about 90% do. I knew a member who was a Minister and he attended Jester functions knowing full well what went on, but he did drink his fair share of whiskey. But aside from that, the initiation of new Jesters is embarassing and demeaning. One particular episode found me blindfolded standing on the edge of a stage with a string tied to my penis and the other end to a brick. The Jester kept telling me what would happen if the brick dropped and the string did not break. But asked me if I trusted him and assured me I would need not to wory. I wanted to be a Jester at this time badly, but being naked with a brick tied to me I threw the brick but little did I know that the string was cut by the member before I threw it and it did not tug me. There were other situations like this. After the initation I was offered by a member to sleep with a prostitute or go watch another member as he took one on. Or we could perform a oral act on her.

I once traveled down south to Georgia where the local court in Atlanta puts on a Totem Pole Degree. Starring the "where the ^uck are we tribe". This degree is filthy and raunchy. Women were at this event as well

sandyfrost.newsvine.com... s-

Man sues Shriners over initiation injuries Trial exposes secret ritual in which electric shock is used on initiates.
December 10, 1991|By Knight-RidderLEXINGTON, Ky. -- The veil of secrecy that shrouds the initiation rites of Shriners has been lifted as the result of a Lexington man's lawsuit against Oleika Shrine Temple.

articles.baltimoresun.com...

The opening of the trial was shown live yesterday by local cable television, enabling people to sit home and learn all about what Shriners call their "hot sands session."

Michael G. Vaughan, 44, a brick mason and would-be Shriner, told jurors of being blindfolded and having a jolt of electricity applied to his bare buttocks as part of the initiation rites in June 1989 at the temple. He also told of having to walk on an electrified mat that was supposed to simulate the hot sands of the Sahara, of being knocked unconscious and suffering other injuries during the initiation.


Vaughan claims he was was humiliated and embarrassed by the ordeal. The humiliation, he said, causes him to suffer anxiety, a sleep disorder and nightmares.

He is seeking an unspecified amount for medical bills, lost income and punitive damages.

Attorneys for the shrine and six of its members say that Vaughn was not injured and that he filed the suit out of greed.

The defense attorneys said they would bring in witnesses who say the ritual was not painful, but fun.

By the time a jury was seated yesterday there was time for but one witness to take the stand -- Vaughan.

On direct examination by his own attorney, John Hamilton, Vaughan described three electrical shocks he received during the induction ceremony. The first -- the one to his buttocks -- was the most painful, he said. Vaughan said he was led blindfolded into a room where the blindfold was lifted long enough to let him see a red hot branding iron bearing a shrine emblem.

Vaughan was then told to lay on a table and pull down his boxer shorts. That's when he was given an jolt with a stick wired to a 12-volt motorcycle battery. He was not branded with the hot iron.

He said the pain was so great it lifted him off the table.

"It lifts you off the table a foot or two," he told the jury.

He also told of being shocked while sitting on a metal bench and while standing on the electrified mat.

"At any time, did you feel like you could walk away and quit and still be accepted for membership?" Hamilton asked.

"No, you were intimidated to the point to where it never entered your mind that you could get out of this place. It was a very fearful situation," Vaughan replied.

The testimonial above speaks of the initiate sitting on an electrified metal bench, being electrocuted with a metal stick wired to a battery, being shown a red hot branding iron, and having to walk on an electrified mat; all of this equipment was available from the Demoulin catalogue, which is from the year 1930, which suggests that this tradition in American Masonry is hardly new.






Lux

I just wanted to add, that I find it interesting that these organization sprung up around the same time period Europe and American were heavy into Mysticism. Do you think there was a connection?

Aren't these men clubs close to becoming history?

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
I just wanted to add, that I find it interesting that these organization sprung up around the same time period Europe and American were heavy into Mysticism. Do you think there was a connection?

Aren't these men clubs close to becoming history?

The Shriners and Jesters are organisations of American Masons and they just seem to me like rather silly clubs with silly rituals for men who want to get away from thier wives, get drunk and hang out with strippers and prostitutes.



British Masonry on the other hand is entirely entwined with the Capitalist establishment and in particular the banking and financial industry; it is not a question of them becoming obselete because of their silly and rather tedious rituals; men do not become Masons generally in the UK because they want to perform silly rituals, any more than they join the Italian or Russian mafia to go through rituals; they join because they want to be a part of a wealthy and established Capitalist gang. However that is really a subject for another essay.

With British Masonry, we are really talking about the British Capitalist Mafia; it is a very powerful Messianic Neofascist cult. The extent to which they are "the" Capitalist establishment in the US is something which is rather hard to determine; however there are numerous similar establishment cults which operate as college fraternities.

Traditionally it has been the Christians who have been anti-Masons, since they consider Masonry to be anti-Christian, but that is irrelevant to me. The political left in general have tended to ignore the Masonic conspiracy theories, since they simply consider the world to be a Capitalist dictatorship, irrespective of what the religion, Capitalist gang or cult fraternity is, but I suspect in Freemasonry a rather darker Messianic ideological agenda. Both the Biblical prophecies of the Christ and Antichrist seem diabolical to me, but it is certainly the case that many cults seek to invoke such prophecies, and of course invoking either prophecy would have genocidal consequences.

Lux.

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I see, thanks .

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Oh how cute, trying to compare Freemasonry to S&M/Bondage and homosexuality. How original.

Nowhere in our ritual is an electric slapper used nor can you find one. You smell of desperation and it is a stinky cologne.

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"The Shriners and Jesters are organisations of American Masons and they just seem to me like rather silly clubs with silly rituals for men who want to get away from thier wives, get drunk and hang out with strippers and prostitutes. quote.

The more you try to ridicule these guys the more I find I have in common with them!
Seriously, in a conspiracy site where most are trying to reveal the masons as Luciferian shape shifting reptile thingies, hell bent on world domination, to unveil your big conpsiracy as them being men who want to escape their wives and normal every day life and have some fun, risky as though it is for a married man, is to simply talk nonsense! Hell, if everyone who wants to escape the bore which is normality and get a few hours away from the old ball and chain (the wife) is wrong then you can add to your list every golfer, sports fan, man who works over time, anyone in a card school, and all men who attend a gym...
I have never wanted to ever join the masons but the more you try to ridicule it the more I'm thinking that being a member could be a laugh a minute...

Originally posted by CholmondleyWarner
reply to post by Lucifer777

 

"The Shriners and Jesters are organisations of American Masons and they just seem to me like rather silly clubs with silly rituals for men who want to get away from thier wives, get drunk and hang out with strippers and prostitutes. quote.

The more you try to ridicule these guys the more I find I have in common with them!

All human beings like to have sex, get drunk and indulge in narcotic euphoria; our bodies are designed that way. In a world of universal human freedom we would still behave that way. There are those who are in denial of these simple facts and there are those who accept them; I am a creature of the latter variety.

Seriously, in a conspiracy site where most are trying to reveal the masons as Luciferian shape shifting reptile thingies,

In my time on ATS I have attempted to dispute that Masons are Luciferians; indeed I have portrayed them as anti-Luciferians. WIth regards to Masons being shape shifting reptiles; there is not an iota of empirical evidence for this, though there is evidence in the world of '___' research, that your mother is a shape shifting reptile, and can transform into "God," a "devil" or even "Mickey Mouse" assuming the fact that you have ingested sufficient quantities of '___' or various other psychoactives.

hell bent on world domination,

Yes generally the Masons are a Messianic gang of esoteric Capitalists, hell bent on global economic domination; but the same could be said of many other Capitalist gangs.

to unveil your big conpsiracy as them being men who want to escape their wives and normal every day life and have some fun, risky as though it is for a married man, is to simply talk nonsense! Hell, if everyone who wants to escape the bore which is normality and get a few hours away from the old ball and chain (the wife) is wrong then you can add to your list every golfer, sports fan, man who works over time, anyone in a card school, and all men who attend a gym...
I have never wanted to ever join the masons but the more you try to ridicule it the more I'm thinking that being a member could be a laugh a minute...

Monogamy and Polygamy are remnants of ancient paternalistic (male supremacist) slave societies. I have never been able to be truly "owned" by any person, nor have I ever been able to truly "own" anyone else; thus I am a natural archetypal polyamorist. It is my nature. I was created this way; thus have the gods created me as a free spirit, and I am grateful.

I would suggest that you are suitable for Masonic membership. You wish to be humiliated, owned, dominated, ridiculed and made submissive, and an obedient servile slave of other Capitalist Neofascistic men; one who will be thrown rewards from time to time, like a good little doggy.

I am only "partly" a product of the Masonic subculture, but rather mostly of the BDSM subculture, and you are far too much of a "dog" for me to be interested in you; your cries for attention fall on deaf ears with me, as I have a natural sadistic animosity towards male submissives, and you would not like me; my cruelty towards heterosexual men, and my evangelical hatred of them would probably be offensive and unbearable for you, and my Mistress would be too terrible a creature for you to ever even contemplate; I suggest therefore that you join forces with the slaves of His Satanic Majesty and find a suitable Masonic Lodge..

Lux.

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"I am only "partly" a product of the Masonic subculture, but rather mostly of the BDSM subculture, and you are far too much of a "dog" for me to be interested in you; your cries for attention fall on deaf ears with me, as I have a natural sadistic animosity towards male submissives, and you would not like me; my cruelty towards heterosexual men, and my evangelical hatred of them would probably be offensive and unbearable for you, and my Mistress would be too terrible a creature for you to ever even contemplate; I suggest therefore that you join forces with the slaves of His Satanic Majesty and find a suitable Masonic Lodge.. " quote.

So, lets get this straight for the record... You are into BDSM, you hate heterosexual men and you readily admit that to most you come across as being unbearable! And yet you still continue to attack masons who, in my eyes at least, have far more credibility than you ever will.
And calling me a "dog" really hurt my feelings... I had to go and find a dark corner to crouch in while I sobbed for hours at your heartless and unprovoked attack. How could you? As for joining the freemasons!!? If I had a choice of being cast into the eternal pit of damnation with Lucifer and all his horrific minions who tortured me with hot pokers, or spend a single minute with you and your big head, then you can rest assurred that I would be heating up the pokers myself while shouting, "Brand me, brand me now..."
Best wishes to your terrible creature of a mistress by the way... He has my sympathy...

Originally posted by CholmondleyWarner
And calling me a "dog" really hurt my feelings... I had to go and find a dark corner to crouch in while I sobbed for hours at your heartless and unprovoked attack. How could you? As for joining the freemasons!!?

By the term "dog" I was not referring to an animal or using the term merely as an arbitrary, derogatory insult. A "dog" is a BDSM slang for a collared human pet.



I was referring to the archetypal Masonic recruit who is willing to be humiliated, trained, owned, made submissive, obedient, degraded, dressed up in humilating costumes and who has a psychological need to find a "Master," and to become his master's psychophant.

... then you can rest assurred that I would be heating up the pokers myself while shouting, "Brand me, brand me now..."

I would caution you to be careful what you wish for, but I find in you the perfect psychology of the Masonic neophyte; your pontential future Masters, and His Satanic Majesty himself will no doubt be eagerly anticipating your arrival.

"The slaves shall serve..."

Lux

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Yeah, When Everybody disgrees with you and youve been proven wrong, Its probably a good time to give up and go see a Psycologist about your delusions

I mean you just dont seem to have a clue, And dont say that Insults and degradation are a Poor substitute for intellgence because it seems to be the Only things you understand, youve been given the facts but ignore them, You have been given the truth but you refuse to accept it That is called been Deluded, By all means continue to attempt to understand the masons, however the meer fact that their ways seem to be behond your comprehension show you will Never see the truth.

Originally posted by TedHodgson
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Yeah, When Everybody disgrees with you and youve been proven wrong,

The allegations made by critics of the Freemasons which have been presented in articles on this thread have "not" in any way been proven wrong.

Masonic apologists throwing temper tantrums and screaming abuse and contradiction do not constitute "proof" of anything other than the denialist cult mindset of Masonic cultists who are unable to bear any criticism of their various cults.

Its probably a good time to give up and go see a Psycologist about your delusions

I have not presented any "delusions" on this thread; Masonic cultists have had ample opportunity to offer argument and evidence against the various criticisms presented in the articles on this thread and have failed to do so.

And dont say that Insults and degradation are a Poor substitute for intellgence

Abuse and contradiction is the general debating strategy of the football hooligan and this is simply a display of arrogance and an indication of a lack of intelligence and education. The Masons on this thread seem to have gone out of their way to display their arrogance and I am only too happy to assist them in this matter and to give them the opportunity to put on such a display on a public forum.

because it seems to be the Only things you understand, youve been given the facts but ignore them, You have been given the truth but you refuse to accept it That is called been Deluded, By all means continue to attempt to understand the masons, however the meer fact that their ways seem to be behond your comprehension show you will Never see the truth.

The ways of a Mason are not beyond my comprehension and their thuggish cult "groupthink" have been amply demonstated on this thread. Their silly pantomime rituals and hazing methods are of some novelty interest in understanding the techniques of cult hypnosis and indoctrination; however ultimately I consider the Masons to be little more than a gang of organised Capitalists, albeit probably the economically powerful gang in Capitalism; thus it is appropriate they receive the criticism and attention they deserve..

Lux

Originally posted by Lucifer777
By the term "dog" I was not referring to an animal or using the term merely as an arbitrary, derogatory insult. A "dog" is a BDSM slang for a collared human pet.



I was referring to the archetypal Masonic recruit who is willing to be humiliated, trained, owned, made submissive, obedient, degraded, dressed up in humilating costumes and who has a psychological need to find a "Master," and to become his master's psychophant.

just out of curiosity, when you are done leading your boyfriend around by a chain, does he leave with a profound sense of trust and knowledge that you genuinely care about him, or does he just get chain burns and a sore ass?

Originally posted by network dude

just out of curiosity, when you are done leading your boyfriend around by a chain, does he leave with a profound sense of trust and knowledge that you genuinely care about him, or does he just get chain burns and a sore ass?

He was reading through this thread and he came to the conclusion that I was not humiliating, degrading and beating him enough, and when he saw the images of the Masonc initiation equpiment he got all excitied about the "striking maul," about having electric shocks, whipped cream and strawberries applied to his genitals, and being branded, beaten, mocked and electrocuted in general; he came to the conclusion that if the Masons were such submissive dogs, then Masonry was the place for him; so he has run away to apply to his nearest Masonic lodge to pay to be ritually humiliated and abused by other men.

Lux

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Are you serious?! As if that ever happens! You really dont have a clue do you......

reply to post by Lucifer777


it's painfully obvious that all you know of masonry is how to spell it. But thanks for using a few sentences to say nothing of importance. It was getting real old having to read 6 paragraphs of self indulging garbage.