Quasi-fascist wisconsin governor sends police after Democrats!

reply to post by Janky Red

Yea, I am not a big fan of Unions at the State or Federal government level, I don't think that's right. Why should my tax money go to pay for Union Arbitration?

I think that all government jobs should be minimum wage jobs with no benefits.

I don't get it....many cry the for the yearning for democracy in its purest form, but when it doesn't pan out the way they want it, they support out right dereliction of duty (aka state congresspersons leaving the state...) As the saying goes, you can't have your cake and eat it too!

Originally posted by whatukno
I think that all government jobs should be minimum wage jobs with no benefits.

Trying to be provocative or did you really not think that through at all ?

I don't want my doctor at the VA Hospital to get paid minimum wage. Not all government jobs are useless.

I find it interesting the Wisconsin Governor isn't targeting Police, Firefighters, or State Trooper unions.
I suppose it's just a big coincidence those groups supported his election and the other union under attack didn't ?

Originally posted by ownbestenemy
I don't get it....many cry the for the yearning for democracy in its purest form, but when it doesn't pan out the way they want it, they support out right dereliction of duty (aka state congresspersons leaving the state...) As the saying goes, you can't have your cake and eat it too!

They're not compelled to vote. It's a valid political tactic.

If the people don't like their state congress peoples actions, they'll be voted out of office. Calling for their arrest is brutally authoritarian.

Someone posted the same story here, after you, but you might be interested in some of the comments there. www.abovetopsecret.com...

Different title and take—oh how easily some are led

This fascist action is going to turn around and bite Gov. Walker in the ass and actually drive people to join the unions.

People aren't stupid they see that what Gov. Walker wants is the Wal Mart model.

No Unions!
- Lower wages
- Longer hours
- Less benefits
- no retirement except for management.

reply to post by Schaden

I find it interesting the Wisconsin Governor isn't targeting Police, Firefighters, or State Trooper unions.

In most states Police and Firefighters really don't make that much.. considering what they do, the hours they work, and what they have to put up with.

If I were to get a job as a paper pusher in the State Capital for one of the numerous agencies I'd make more than a cop walking a beat in the crappiest part of town.

Also Police and Fire Fighters get their budgets slashed first before anyone else..

I still don't think they should be unioned though, but of all State jobs, they are the easiest to abuse.

What is happening in the state of Wisconsin is perfectly legal, and a part of the procedures. There have to be a certain number of legislatures to be able to hold and form a quorum, that would allow for them to vote on and able to legislate. If there is less than the required number, as prescribed by law, then the legislatures, call to the sergeant at arms to round up all members till they have the required number. The sergeant at arms has the authority to call in all law enforcement to do this duty. Even in the United States Congress, if the members decide to go and leave, when they are called to vote, if there is not enough to form a legal quorum, then the Sergeant at Arms, is authorized to use the federal marshals to round up and bring back, even by force, all members to make a quorum for the vote. What is disgraceful, is that those who are elected to represent parts of that state, abandoned their post cause they disagree with a piece of legislation, that is sure to pass, and did not stay and fight for what they believe in, only to leave the state. It is not the first time that this has happened, nor will it be the last, however, it should make the voting public consider if those people are who they want to represent them, and maybe remove them from office, and get someone in there to take their place. It shows a lack of moral fiber and dedication to do the job, and is a disgrace, as well as embarrasses the state itself. Those who got elected, are there cause they sought out the position. The public across the country is waking up, holding their elected officials accountable for their actions, as it should have been all along. Perhaps this is a sign of things to come, where the officials are not going to get away with the kinds of actions they have been.
All of this, cause the govenor wants the state employees, who are union, to have a say in whether they want to be a part of a union, that they will have to pay a greater percentage of the bennifits that they want, and that the days of collective bargining is over, all to help balance the budget and to ensure that people are kept working, without having to be forced to take days off.

Walker may have bitten off more than he can chew.

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reply to post by mnemeth1


Your wrong.
Fascism is the Republican party mixed with the Tea Party!

Originally posted by inforeal
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Your wrong.
Fascism is the Republican party mixed with the Tea Party!

Really? Can you prove that assertion with facts or is this just opinion? Words thrown around to beef up one's stance don't make things true. Just like saying Socialism is the Democratic party mixed in with the Progressive Party isn't true, neither is your statement.

Here's how this is going to play out.

If the unions win this fight, then they, a portion of the state, will have forced taxpayers to pay them more.

If the represerntative, that the people voted for wins, this'll mean more power to the voice of the people and less power to factions that want to determine what we give up in taxes.

As much as I am for the individual, this time I'm all for the governor, because he is actually representing his constituents and not bowing to the union thugs.

At least, that's my take on it.

Rachel Maddow does a great job of explaining what's really going on and what's really at stake in all of this.

To summarize her to main points as briefly as I can:

1. There is no budget crisis in Wisconsin.
2. This is all really about the Republican Party trying to destroy the only means the Democratic Party has of raising money and organizing for elections.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
In most states Police and Firefighters really don't make that much.. considering what they do, the hours they work, and what they have to put up with.

I don't know about most states, but here, cops start out at $20 an hour and anything past 40 hours becomes overtime. Don't get me started on Firemen. It is not that hard of a job. Honestly, they are paid to mostly sit around. They only work about 3 days a week. Sure those days are long shifts, but having served in the military, they've got nothing to complain about. Many people have a lot more dangerous job duties and are paid far less, on an hourly basis. I don't buy the theory that cops and firefighters are in some unique status and deserve full collective bargaining rights, but teachers don't. I read a story a few weeks ago, a fireman in NYC can retire after just 20 years and collect nearly a 100k a year pension !

Police and firefighters unions are very powerful forces.

I think my theory is correct. In Wisconsin, the police and firefighters unions supported this Governor's candidacy. If he tried to screw them over, it would have a big negative impact on his odds of reelection. Whereas he figures the unions he's trying to bust already vote democrat, so he's got nothing to lose. My research indicates this really is more about gaining political points than fixing a true budget problem. The unions are willing to negotiate. He doesn't want that. He wants to flat out strip them of the right to negotiate for anything but their direct salary compensation.

Originally posted by sdcigarpig
What is disgraceful, is that those who are elected to represent parts of that state, abandoned their post cause they disagree with a piece of legislation, that is sure to pass, and did not stay and fight for what they believe in, only to leave the state. It is not the first time that this has happened, nor will it be the last, however, it should make the voting public consider if those people are who they want to represent them, and maybe remove them from office, and get someone in there to take their place. It shows a lack of moral fiber and dedication to do the job, and is a disgrace, as well as embarrasses the state itself. Those who got elected, are there cause they sought out the position. The public across the country is waking up, holding their elected officials accountable for their actions, as it should have been all along. Perhaps this is a sign of things to come, where the officials are not going to get away with the kinds of actions they have been.

Did it occur to you that by not showing up, they are fighting for what their constituents elected them to do ? My understanding is there would be no fight. They would lose the vote. So this is basically a filibuster by any means necessary. I think it's funny how outraged people are getting over this. I wonder if they had the same attitude about the GOP's record number of filibusters in the federal Congress ?

Originally posted by whatukno
Yea, I am not a big fan of Unions at the State or Federal government level, I don't think that's right. Why should my tax money go to pay for Union Arbitration?

I think that all government jobs should be minimum wage jobs with no benefits.

They soon will be wuk and probably not even minimum wage, more of a voluntary thing and it will be branded "The Big Society",

Can you imagine what would have happened if all Republicans in Congress, simply because Democrat's had the majority, simply decided for that two years they would no longer attend any votes because they knew what the outcome would be and they didn't like it? Therefore preventing any vote from even taking place? C'mon.

I don't care whether you like this legislation or not, holding democracy hostage simply to "get your way" is not what this country was founded on.

In two years, when elections take place again, if people in Wisconsin are unhappy they will vote accordingly and the Democrats can once again claim majority and have their way with the state. They will then have the option of undoing what the Republicans did. That's called democracy.

But to simply walk away and hide from the oath of office you took when elected, and to gather strength and support from the DNC, is absolutely sickening and childish.

This is what it has come to -- if you don't like what's happening you simply run and hide? Keep in mind, exactly whom do you think is paying their hotel tabs and gas costs as they gallivant around the countryside dodging their oath to office?

People -- grow up and go to work.

reply to post by beezzer


No your simplistic scenario is wrong.

If the unions loose then the rich will have more power to buy Republican and Tea Party candidates, and the unions will have less power to oppose the super-rich and their agenda.

Eventually, unless you are one of the millionaires or billionaires, this tyranny will ruin your life and the life of your children