Quasi-fascist wisconsin governor sends police after Democrats!

www.huffingtonpost.com...
Arresting people you disagree with? I thought this was America not Iran!

reply to post by green-tree


So you don't think the State should have the power to compel people to do things they don't want to do?

Is that what you are saying?

That's kind of an odd spin on the situation.

When these people were elected, they swore and agreed to representing their constituency in legislative matters. They are paid to be present at legislative session, and are actually considered officers of the state.

Instead of doing their jobs, they all actively conspired to shirk their duty and ran away like rats in the dark.

They are cowards and should be prosecuted for dereliction of duty, and absence without leave from an active legislative session.

reply to post by MMPI2


The only thing odd about this is that people think the State is a legitimate institution that benefits humanity.

reply to post by green-tree


That’s called fascism. The government and capitalists combining to rule.
The Republican party use to be somewhat human. Indeed they use to support unions and even Richard Nixon had a national health care plan for ALL Americans.

But today’s Republican Party is so radical right–wing that they resemble Nazis and fascists, and no longer Americans who believe in the constitution or what is says about the general welfare.

reply to post by inforeal


This may just be the start. www.cleveland.com...
These corporatist clowns are not going to stop with one state.

reply to post by green-tree



Dare not show yourself in the thread I started earlier today??
Have faith; the cockroaches have called Cnn from an "undisclosed "secure location" they are safe; not all in one location" and have a list of demands for Governor Walker: /


dailycaller.com...


Partisan humor aside this is important...Cavity searches at the bus station:" meh American "idle" is on tonight: pay 12% towards your retirement ,people come out and the legislators hijack a shortbus to Iowa!

Since they're missing, the governor should appoint replacements asap.

For the few of you who are still working, what would happen to you if you left work, without notice, when you found out that you actually had to do something instead of sitting around fondling aids?

My company loves firing people for no-show, no-calls. Unions can't help them.

reply to post by inforeal


Fascism is Marxism mixed with racism.

It has nothing to do with libertarians or limited government.

Gregor Strasser, National Socialist theologian, said:

We National Socialists are enemies, deadly enemies, of the present capitalist system with its exploitation of the economically weak … and we are resolved under all circumstances to destroy this system.

Hitler had this to say about capitalism in Mein Kampf:

In 1919-20 and also in 1921 I attended some of the bourgeois [capitalist] meetings. Invariably I had the same feeling towards these as towards the compulsory dose of castor oil in my boyhood days. . . . And so it is not surprising that the sane and unspoiled masses shun these ‘bourgeois mass meetings’ as the devil shuns holy water.

The Nazi platform had this to say about capitalism:

that the State shall make it its primary duty to provide a livelihood for its citizens . . . the abolition of all incomes unearned by work . . . the ruthless confiscation of all war profits ... the nationalization of all businesses that have been formed into corporations ... profit-sharing in large enterprises ... extensive development of insurance for old-age ... land reform suitable to our national requirements.

Benito Mussolini, who wrote the book on Fascism had this to say:

All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state.
...
It is the State which educates its citizens in civic virtue, gives them a consciousness of their mission and welds them into unity.
...
The keystone of the Fascist doctrine is its conception of the State, of its essence, its functions, and its aims. For Fascism the State is absolute, individuals and groups relative.

huh, interesting take.

I'm sorry but what they did was inexcusable. They have a job to do and they took off, not only that there are some pretty substantial protests going on in the capital over the issue that would have been resolved (one way or the other) had they shown up. Not only that, there are I believe 15 school districts that are shut down while the teachers are protesting.

Ridiculous. First, I feel the teachers are out of place shutting down the school districts in the middle of the year to go and protest. It is irresponsible in my opinion. Second, it was also irresponsible of the WI democrats to run away and prolong this charade instead of showing up and resolving it. Which ever way the vote goes, there's going to be a bunch of upset people, so bite the bullet and do your job.

Thank you mnemeth1 that's a useful;informative; meaty reply; when I can wipe the tears out of my eyes and stop laughing for more than 30 seconds ( you can't make this stuff up! )I'll comeback and try to learn something and absorb it.

Originally posted by searching4truth
huh, interesting take.

I'm sorry but what they did was inexcusable. They have a job to do and they took off, not only that there are some pretty substantial protests going on in the capital over the issue that would have been resolved (one way or the other) had they shown up. Not only that, there are I believe 15 school districts that are shut down while the teachers are protesting.

Exactly. Let the process work.

Ridiculous. First, I feel the teachers are out of place shutting down the school districts in the middle of the year to go and protest. It is irresponsible in my opinion. Second, it was also irresponsible of the WI democrats to run away and prolong this charade instead of showing up and resolving it. Which ever way the vote goes, there's going to be a bunch of upset people, so bite the bullet and do your job.

I disagree. Teachers are people too. They have the right to protest. The fact that so doing causes a "disruption" is all part of the purpose of demonstration and protest. However, they should be docked a days pay for not being at work, just like ordinary citizens who might take the day off to protest.

Originally posted by inforeal
reply to post by green-tree

 

That’s called fascism. The government and capitalists combining to rule.
The Republican party use to be somewhat human. Indeed they use to support unions and even Richard Nixon had a national health care plan for ALL Americans.

But today’s Republican Party is so radical right–wing that they resemble Nazis and fascists, and no longer Americans who believe in the constitution or what is says about the general welfare.

Lets look at what it ("General Welfare"says:hmmmm?

The first of the new deal statutes to reach the Supreme Court for review, arrived in January 1935. in the sixteen months following, The court decided ten major cases or groups of cases involving new deal statutes. In eight instances out of ten the decisions went in favor of the United States Constitution and against the new deal. Eight of the ten pieces of "must legislation" were found to be unconstitutional.

The President reacted as one would after having received a kick in a sensitive area. He went to the american people with a fireside chat and stated

"we have therefore, reached the point as a nation where we must take action to save the Constitution from the Court and the Court from itself." (March 9,1937) [II [P.754]

The President declared war on the Supreme Court.

To appreciate the depth of FDR's resolve in such issues, one need only read his correspondence to representative Snyder of Pennsylvania asking Congress to pass the national bituminous coal conservation act regardless of any doubts, "however reasonable," that it might have about the bill's Constitutionality. It appeared in this case at least, the President was urging Congress to disregard the Constitution. [2] [p.738]

"In November 1936 the Democratic Party won an overwhelming victory at the polls. The election confirmed the Roosevelt administration in power and inspired the President to attempt a reorganization of the Judiciary in order to win control of that last remaining outpost of conservative Constitutionalism, the United States Supreme Court." [2] [P.749]

Constitutional historians refer to what happened next as the "Revolution of 1937." The President proposed that for each sitting justice over the age of seventy there be appointed one new Justice to "help them with their case load." In reality FDR wanted to pack the court with six additional justices willing to declare all of his "must legislation" Constitutional.

Chief Justice Hughes was traumatized. He looked for a way to disengage the Presidents plan which appeared almost certain to pass both houses and be signed into law. What to do? What was about to happen would ultimately lead our country to the clear and present danger of economic insolvency.

One observer noted "Hughes was profoundly convinced that what was at stake in the crises precipitated by the [Presidents] court plan was nothing less than the fate of the Supreme Court's historic role as guardian of the Constitution." He went on to state that What happened next was a "decision to retreat in the immediate skirmish in order to insure victory in the larger, struggle for judicial supremacy." [3] CP.111)

The supreme court at the time consisted of four conservatives, three liberals, one moderate, and one swing. The liberals were; Stone, Cardozo and Brandeis. The conservatives were: McReynolds, Sutherland, Butler, and Van Deventer. The moderate was Hughes. The swing was Roberts.

Hughes prevailed on Roberts to desert the Conservative camp, swing over with him and join the three liberals in declaring the social security cases [Steward Machine Co. v. Davis (301 us 548, May 24, 1937)] Constitutional.[4] [P.56] This Roberts did, and by so doing, took the wind from the sails of the President's court packing plan. It went back to committee and died. one Administration official called the court's action, "the switch in time that saved nine."

This decision said in effect, Congress would no longer be held to enumerated powers but instead could tax and spend for anything; so long as it was for "general welfare."

But the words "General Welfare" in the introduction to the enumerated powers of Article I Section 8 were never intended to be an object for extension of the power to tax and spend; and up until the cases noted above, no court ever so averred.[Appx. 1]

The supreme court surrendered to the new deal on the most fundamental of constitutional issues. "it is scarcely conceivable that Chief Justice Hughes and Justice Roberts... were unaware of the political implications of their move. the President had lost a battle but won a war. In a remarkable series of decisions . ..the Court executed the most abrupt change of face in its entire history..."-[2] [p.753-754]

Justice Roberts, writing in 1951, said in effect:
"We voted against the Constitution to save the Court.

Muchmoreatthelinka



constitutionalawareness.org...

I found an article out of Wisconsin on it. As indicated before - most of them are in Illinois now.

But as for why they are there and why the cops were called out..

Budget Battle: Democrats Who Left State are Located

"We're not in Wisconsin right now," Erpenbach said. "The reason why we're doing this is because there are some jurisdictional issues that we'd be dealing with."

The Senate's Sergeant at Arms cannot compel Senators' attendance in an open session if they are outside of state lines.

From that it reads like if there were in Wisconsin and were compelled by the Sgt. at Arms they are legally bound to attend? That would explain why he sent the cops and why the left the state.

Anyone familar enough with Wisconson laws to know?

Perhaps Staying at the I 39 Roach motel???
Hardly fascist. they are going to lose this they just stopped the process...
This will go down in history though...
'scuse me: oooh, whew,,, I'm ok for now..

reply to post by green-tree


I almost.... almost.. agreed with you..

Then I noticed it was Public Unions that were protesting. The Mafia holding our states functionality hostage. I relate Public Unions to the sickly bacteria that eat the scum off the bottom of my shoe. I hope not only Wisconsin but all states are able to rid themselves of Unions once and for all .. the billions it would save us from extortion would fill most budgets.

Originally posted by inforeal
reply to post by green-tree

 

That’s called fascism. The government and capitalists combining to rule.

Agreed!!!

Obama in bed with GM
Obama in bed with Chrysler
Obama taking over student loans
Obama in bed with Citibank
Obama taking over 1/6 of our economy(healthcare)

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c'mon curtis! don't confuse these people with facts!

what you can do is...

play me a song Curtis Lowe Curtis Lowe
well I got your drinkin money tune up your dobro
people said you was useless them people all were fools
cuz Curtis Lowe was the finest picker to ever play the blues

you looked to be 60 maybe I was 10
momma used to whoop me
but I'd go see you again
I'd clap my hands, stomp my feet tryin to keep in time
well he'd play me a song or 2 then take another drink of wine

Originally posted by inforeal
reply to post by green-tree

 

That’s called fascism. The government and capitalists combining to rule.
The Republican party use to be somewhat human. Indeed they use to support unions and even Richard Nixon had a national health care plan for ALL Americans.

But today’s Republican Party is so radical right–wing that they resemble Nazis and fascists, and no longer Americans who believe in the constitution or what is says about the general welfare.

I thought it was government employees demanding that the Governor to take more money from the people and give it to the government employees. Yet you say it is the "government" and "capitalists" oppressing the government employees? Are the taxpayers being shaken down here by the government employees the "capitalists"? Are the government employees and the Governor the "government"? I'm confused.

Originally posted by mnemeth1

Fascism is Marxism mixed with racism...>

It has nothing to do with libertarians or limited government.

...> and nationalism and self determination...

Oh no you didint HITLAR!



"The streets of our country are in turmoil. The universities are filled with students rebelling and rioting. Communists are seeking to destroy our country. Russia is threatening us with her might, and the Republic is in danger. Yes - danger from within and without. We need law and order! Without it our nation cannot survive."
–Adolf Hitler

Sounds like some of my friends here

Mr. Somalia here only considers violence and force as an act of taxation -

But send the police out to detain citizen by unitary order, THATS COOL

FORCE OF THE GUN, pussy loaf

And Mr. Mnemeth Somalia for life is now officially a joke

“Socialism is a fraud, a comedy, a phantom, a blackmail.”

Benito Mussolini

Oh and Somalia

“Every anarchist is a baffled dictator”

Benito Mussolini