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Originally posted by lonegurkha
reply to post by maria_stardust
You are one of the problems here.You want to quote useless statistics.The numbers you wanted to quote earlier in this thread were 5 to 7 years out of date.I also addressed statistics earlier in this thread.Try reading the minority people who added to this thread and agreed with the op.They work in those very jobs.All you have done here is be a disruptive force and demonstrate a lack of understanding of what the op stated in the beginning.
hello there and thank you for your almost civil response
Hi there,
Your response was to another poster, but please take a look at what you have said in context of the OP please, you have me confused. If you believe the OP was not referring to ethnic minorities, then which 'minorities' do you believe he was referring to and if they were not of an ethnic nature how would he be able to say 80% fell into such a bracket? As apart from gender I'm not sure how such an assessment could be made, so not sure what you are trying to say.
Originally posted by GeminiSky
Simply put, it seems to me that minorities here are awarded state and govt jobs far more often that the average Caucasian.
Originally posted by GeminiSky
Im not sure how many times I will have to explain that these statistics are not a valid argument.
Originally posted by GeminiSky
If you wish to be taken seriously, then REPLY TO THE QUESTIONS that myself and others have asked you, instead of conveniently ignoring them and latching on to easier points as you continue to "try" to explain away my PERSONAL OBSERVATIONS.
Originally posted by Honor93
This, couldn't be farther from the truth.
YOU assume he 'meant' ethnic minorities, he said NO such thing. -- FAIL
Originally posted by GeminiSky
Simply put, it seems to me that minorities here are awarded state and govt jobs far more often that the average Caucasian.
the stats to which you refer are seriously out of date (5 & 7yrs respectively) ... they have -0- relevance to this discussion (as your commentary thus far)
It became rather apparent you didn't care for my stance that the federal statistics presented early on proved your assumption to be false.
while this is not only true but welcome on every thread, why are you keeping us all waiting for that "intelligent discourse" you mentioned?
Be that as it may, I have just as much right as any other member to participate in any thread as a matter of intelligent discourse.
with this, i would suspect you are experiencing a language or comprehension barrier.
You posed the question - "Why do minorities get most government and state jobs?" based upon your personal observations at the DMV.
and your perception that severely out-dated statistics have any relevance is becoming factually humorous.
You refuse to accept the facts as they are because they don't fit your personal perception. You have claimed your perception as fact, which it is not.
so, if you haven't experienced any similar situation, how do you qualify your opinion (based on out-dated nonsense)? personally, at this point, it do believe it resembles rubbish.
Others have shared similar anecdotal experiences to yours which gives the illusion that there is merit to your claim. Again, these are based on each individual's personal perception -- not necessarily the overall reality of the situation.
WRONG
Again, your question: "Why do minorities get most government and state jobs?"
My response: They don't. You're "PERSONAL OBSERVATIONS" are not supported by the actual facts. Personal observations are not necessarily an accurate reflection of reality.
Simply put, it seems to me that minorities here are awarded state and govt jobs far more often that the average Caucasian.
Race was explicitly stated in regards to minorities vs. "the average Caucasian."
WRONG again ... many 'average male Caucasians' are classified minority. do you need a list?
Not the average male Caucasian
Therein lies your confusion ... the ONLY 'average Caucasian' who is not a minority is male.
Race was explicitly stated in regards to minorities vs. "the average Caucasian." Not the average male Caucasian.
I agree the fact that these institutions do not run smoothly, and the way we are treated there contributes to me being more aware of these hiring practices. You being a minority AND agreeing with my observations shows that this issue transcends race, and affects ALL OF US!
speaking for myself only here, it would be nice if y'all would quit arguing nonsense and offer some of your own 'observations' ... you know, like the topic suggests.
Originally posted by conspiracy nut
it sounds like you guys just want us to fold and admit that the op is right. not gonna happen. if the ops observations were correct and its true that the majority of state workers are minorities so what? so some minorities have some decent paying jobs and you cant accept it. if they arent working they are called lazy, when they are working you cry unfair. there is a majority of minorities working at the mcdonalds by my house whats the point??? there is a majority of whites in politics! the majority of billionaires are white. we can play this game all night.
1. You blindly believe any govt printed statistical data as FACT, and are NOT WILLING to accept that the actual reality of the situation COULD be different, and in fact may be opposing the statistics, as witnessed by mine and many others personal observations.
2. You again dont answer all questions you have been asked. You simply cherry pick the ones you feel will make your argument and answer those. Lets see, out of all the questions ive asked, you chose one (1)
3. You say that if I don't believe the statistics, then it leaves no room for balanced discussion. Well I say since my thread was NOT based on statistics, the correct thing to do for you to discuss this with me would be to make your OWN OBSERVATIONS and come back here to debate my OBSERVATIONS like many other posters here have done.
Please just answer me one question: Do you believe all government printed statistical data to be COLD HARD FACTS that REPRESENT THE ACTUAL REALITY of our surroundings?
(as the old saying goes, you can lead a horse to water, but ya cant make her drink)
Originally posted by conspiracy nut
it sounds like you guys just want us to fold and admit that the op is right. not gonna happen. if the ops observations were correct and its true that the majority of state workers are minorities so what? so some minorities have some decent paying jobs and you cant accept it. if they arent working they are called lazy, when they are working you cry unfair. there is a majority of minorities working at the mcdonalds by my house whats the point??? there is a majority of whites in politics! the majority of billionaires are white. we can play this game all night.
wow, out of touch isn't a big enough description to give this absurd, imaginary interpretation of today's reality ... let's see, US unemployment (05) - 5% (source: money.cnn.com...) ... [golly gee, it was almost equal that of the 1950s - source: en.wikipedia.org...:Us_unemployment_rates_1950_2005.png ...
I believe the 2006 federal employment statistics presented in this thread to be an accurate representation of the actual workforce.
today (ie: current) - unemployment is teetering around 10% but somehow you find the two years comparable?