Anonymous Has the Bomb

Originally posted by harrytuttle
The only way they could use this Stuxnet virus is to physically get it inside the nuclear power plant and manually plug the USB stick (or whatever) into a system with the correct rights. That's how it was deployed in Iran.

So unless Anonymous has members who work inside a nuclear power plant with the correct system privileges, they won't be able to do anything with the Stuxnet virus.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure I'm not.

One of the unintended advantages of all US nuclear plants being designed and built in the 60’s and 70’s is that there are no computers in control. All automated control functions of any safety related system operates on relay based logic and nothing short of physicaly rewiring them could change how they operate.

Originally posted by harrytuttle
The only way they could use this Stuxnet virus is to physically get it inside the nuclear power plant and manually plug the USB stick (or whatever) into a system with the correct rights. That's how it was deployed in Iran.

So unless Anonymous has members who work inside a nuclear power plant with the correct system privileges, they won't be able to do anything with the Stuxnet virus.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure I'm not.

you are right it passes over a usb stick or over a Local area network. It does not move over the internet. It is still a very effective way of infecting and no you would not have to be inside a nuclear power plant to release it..

kx

If the information to be released regarding the bank of america causes a bank run then so be it.

So be it huh …. Well I’ll be sure to hit your pantry first when I get hungry. Oh, I’m sorry, you don’t like that? I’m not playing by the “rules”? Well, according to people like Anonymous, if I can justify something I do it, regardless of its legality, and I sure do gotta eat.

would you rather the inner workings of a bank never scrutinised and they the theft of trillions of dollars around the world be let happen again. The information will show criminal activilty and probley cause further bank regulations and rightly so. These banks have had a lot of tax payers money and have a social responsibilty if they like it or not a little transparency is not too much to ask.

There are proper channels for that. The FDIC, Office of Thrift Supervision, Federal Reserve, National Credit Union Administration etcetera, just on the federal level. There are also State and local regulatory agencies that provide oversight. Are they perfect, obviously not, but just because a small group of people are dissatisfied with the way they operate, or more likely Anonymous doesn’t know how or even the fact that they do operate, doesn’t give anyone the right to take the law into their own hands.

Vigilantism is something I don’t tolerate.

If the truth kills you evidently you were not that strong.

Have you ever heard the phrase “the markets can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent”? It means that when emotions, like greed and fear, are the prime drivers behind financial events, it doesn’t matter how financially healthy you are.

realy i dont understand were you are coming from are you saying that you should be labeled an anarchist for telling the truth?

Once again, it aint your place. IF the mechanisms in place are not working, then change them. Don’t take the law into your own hands because that simply provides everybody with the same excuse you are using.

Not being able to stop an idea whos time has come...try looking at egypt, or tunisa for example. look at wikileaks and how they are ushering in a new dawn of journalism, see the massive paradigm shifts that are occuring right now. Korea and Tianum square it was not there time yet, but one day it will be.

Its not about whose “time” it is, that’s nothing more than a meaningless platitude or a bumper sticker. An opponent armed with and more importantly “willing” to use disproportionate force beats the people every time! Its got nothing to do with the righteousness of their case or what fu(king time it is. Had the Army in Egypt decided to step in and use whatever means necessary, the uprising would have ended in a few days.

People like you protest in the “streets” against what is basically a benign police force and state that operates within the rule of law. Try it against a tyrant who has no constraints. In 1931 the population of Ukraine was in open revolt over agricultural quotas so the Soviets sent the army and secret police in to confiscate all food stores and sealed the borders. Two years later 10 million were dead of starvation. Good Western progressive and liberal types did all they could to impose a news embargo and discredit the stories of the few survivors that managed to leak out.

Even as hard as the Ukrainians fought, they lost because the state had no internal or external restrictions, legal or ethical, on their use of force. You want to write it off as it simply not being the Ukrainian people’s “time”, do so, but that’s got nothing to do with it.

I am a firm believer Anonymous is actually a CIA tool. It is a wayfor the USA to attack other governments around the world without being public about it. Black ops if u will. All the signs are there.


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reply to post by DevilJin


Not all of them whom are inovled with anonymous are hackers,so stop branding them all with the same brush. If they are attacked by those in power whom want to silence them, they have every right to retaliate,challenge Those in power. Fair Game dont you think?

reply to post by Sherlock Holmes

Anon are a bunch of children who do everything ''for the lulz'' and whose motivation is to create drama.

Not all of them. Not by a long-shot.

That is a way too simplistic and superficial view.

Just reading thru the chat logs posted on Pastebin earlier in this thread will show you that there are some very intelligent and thoughtful people involved with Anon. You may not agree with them or their methods, but it's not all "a bunch of children who do everything "for the lulz".....

Originally posted by purplemer
reply to post by lpowell0627

 

Wouldn't affect regular citizens at all....none of us use paypal, credit cards, etc. You guys do realize that you are supporting a completely unknown group, with TRUE unknown intentions. You are all OK with being held hostage by the whims of one group? Well, I'm not

and let me ask do you know whom you are supporting with you visa card or your bank accout or everytime you go and vote if you do... i doubt it.
kx

I absolutely do! And it's my right to choose operate my personal business in the manner I see fit despite this knowledge. It is not for some group to say I am wrong in doing so and hack into a site to stop me.

Where are all the freedom fighters now? Why should one group, any group, be able to prevent me from conducting my business simply because they have a gripe and the capabilities to block it?

You really think all of these hackers are going to keep the Internet free? Seriously? I think it's just the opposite. I think it is because of these hackers and others like them that will cause the Internet to no longer be free. Further, when businesses begin (continue) to lose more and more money because of these hackers, they will jump on board completely with the idea of restrictions that the government is already trying to impose.

Originally posted by hillynilly
Someone could be setting us up for the internet kill switch..
*OH NO stuxnet is everywhere we must shut down the internet*

Possibly, but it is more likely that the Chinese will be targeted next, and anon will be blamed.



popcorn ready

Originally posted by rogerstigers
reply to post by mr-lizard

 

I don't think there is a clear and present danger here, really. Even if there were, it would not come from Anon; rather it would come from a private contractor working on commission.

Or until one of them gets the rather large offer of a payday and decides to take his knowledge, go in a different direction, and profit from it largely -- all to the detriment of us, the regular people.

Just because WE don't know exactly who they all are, doesn't mean somebody doesn't. People tend to have one -- the one person they tell everything to. The problem is, the person they told also has a "one". That's why the larger the group that has the information, the harder it is to keep it quiet.

Look at Wikileaks. Look how quickly a large number turned against Assange...

This group is innocent enough so long as they continue to act in the interests of the people. The problem is, there is no guarantee they will continue to do just that and I think it's rather naive of people to so willingly throw their support behind this group without considering the possible ramifications.

reply to post by SirMike

I think you have to much faith in the ability of institutions to be able to solve wrongs inhernet in systems. Let us look at the release of the war files by bradley mannings
Bradley mannings went to iraq with the understanding he was there to help liberate the people. What he found was the opposite.

He soon found himself helping the Iraqi authorities detain civilians for distributing “anti-Iraqi literature” -- which turned out to be an investigative report into financial corruption in their own government entitled “Where does the money go?” The penalty for this “crime” in Iraq was not a slap on the wrist. Imprisonment and torture, as well as systematic abuse of prisoners, are widespread in the new Iraq. From the military’s own Sigacts (Significant Actions) reports, we have a multitude of credible accounts of Iraqi police and soldiers shooting prisoners, beating them to death, pulling out fingernails or teeth, cutting off fingers, burning with acid, torturing with electric shocks or the use of suffocation, and various kinds of sexual abuse including sodomization with gun barrels and forcing prisoners to perform sexual acts on guards and each other.

.Taking your stance he should have gone through the correct channels instead of releasing the information to Wikileaks. He did and he failed:

Like any good soldier, Manning immediately took these concerns up the chain of command. And how did his superiors respond? His commanding officer told him to “shut up” and get back to rounding up more prisoners for the Iraqi Federal Police to treat however they cared to.

Now remember a solider has a duty not only to only uphold army regulations but also to uphold the geneva convention. Which is legaly binding in the american court room. A solider is required to follow army regulations as long as they remain lawful:

In 2005, General Peter Pace, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told reporters: “It is absolutely the responsibility of every U.S. service member [in Iraq], if they see inhumane treatment being conducted, to try to stop it.”

Ever since our country signed and ratified the Geneva Conventions and the Convention against Torture, it has been the law of our land that handing over prisoners to a body that will torture them is a war crime.

This is what he did. He tried following the offical channel and failed. The next time he had information on war crimes he released via a different channel. - Wikileaks.He is now charged with violating not only Army regulations and the Espionage Act of 1917,
It is evident that many institutions have not ability to hold themselves to account for there actions. The criminality of two illegal wars needs to be exposed. The channels you speak of are not in place. Transparancy and accountabilty are needed and wikileaks provided that channel.

I doubt the banking structure is much different. May I ask why would you want to defend a finacial institution that has near bankrupt your country.

What would you have done if you had been bradley mannings...?

www.readersupportednews.org...

reply to post by lpowell0627

his group is innocent enough so long as they continue to act in the interests of the people. The problem is, there is no guarantee they will continue to do just that and I think it's rather naive of people to so willingly throw their support behind this group without considering the possible ramifications.

wikileaks have ushered in a new age of ojective journalism. They have exposed issues all over the word and won awards from the likes of ammensy international

Amnesty International's New Media Award, for its role in the production of the revelatory document, "Kenya: The Cry of Blood - Report on Extra-Judicial Killings and Disappearances, Sep 2008"

www.editorsweblog.org...

and worked on information more known to you like the war documents, climategate and now cablegate

In my eyesit is not about acting in the interests of the people it is about exposing the truth. what you do with that truth is up to you.
Wikileaks is a news media site by defintion. The problem is they do a far better job at exposing the truth than all the other newpapers put together and there is you worrying that they might not be in the interests of the people.
If you dont want the truth go and read the newpapers or go and watch the news on fox. These are the compainies you should be bitching about not working in the interests of the people. look at the recent coverage of the unfolding events in egypt for example...

Rather than love, than money, than fame, give me truth. ...

henry david thoreau....

reply to post by skeetontheconspiracy


hahahaha another case of the MId-Western folk who've come graising on this website like cattle.


Anonymous is not the CIA. Anonymous is a band of Gray-Hat. They're dis-information hackers. They like to expose truth in public. Simple as that. Deriving from 4chan of course, they do have so called 'leet hackers'. I for one do have great leadership and social ethic capabilities which I would LOVE to share with them if I could get a hold of them.

Originally posted by PaR3v
reply to post by skeetontheconspiracy

 

hahahaha another case of the MId-Western folk who've come graising on this website like cattle.


Anonymous is not the CIA. Anonymous is a band of Gray-Hat. They're dis-information hackers. They like to expose truth in public. Simple as that. Deriving from 4chan of course, they do have so called 'leet hackers'. I for one do have great leadership and social ethic capabilities which I would LOVE to share with them if I could get a hold of them.

what makes you think they are hard to get hold off. anyone can be anon. Im sure there are many anon that read these threads..

kx

then lead me in to their direction. i'd like to talk to these group of hackers....

Seems to me that the real winners here are the anti-nuclear
activists. If this virus goes "Viral" (pun intended), no one will
want to use nuclear energy. Coal, oil and renewable energy
will have the last laugh on this one unless they tweak it to wreak
havoc on all forms of energy generation systems. There are
ways to beat this virus however we can safely say that this
does put a wrench in the Smart energy grids of the future.

Originally posted by PaR3v
then lead me in to their direction. i'd like to talk to these group of hackers....

All of them at once?

Wow... Go you.

reply to post by mr-lizard


any of them. it seems to me they've gained power. they need to be aware of some things that happen when you gain power. i'm just trying to help them. i believe i have the credentials to help them out without anything leaking.

if you're reading this anonymous. i'd just like to warn you on a couple note.

I know you've gained power over forces that control the way you live. It's not wise to fully control everything at your whim with what you have. You have to be careful of what you do exactly. It doesn't take much for an Iran missile strike to occur just 'cause you pissed of some people.

In fact all it takes to cause a nuclear holocaust is a few pissed off people.

All I'm saying is, keep your focus Anon. Don't lose sight of disinformation. your mind can be clouded when you have the ball in your hands. you don't want to fully embrace what you got, when you got the ball in your hands. sometimes it's good hold back, until things have settled, or until things are fully aware.

Keypoint: Make sure your Victim is fully aware of what you have. What you can do in the future. What power you hold before letting go. Make sure your victim can be aware of what your capable of. That's all I'm gonna say.

Originally posted by PaR3v
then lead me in to their direction. i'd like to talk to these group of hackers....

if you want to join anon you just did. if you want to talk to members of anon i am sure you are . If you want to join a network there are many all over the net. look and you will find no problem. There is no single site were all anon hang, it is a network spanning the globe. they are not a group of hackers, some of them are, some just use computers in ways most peeps dont understand, some write articles, some Ddos atack, some make videos some just for the lolz... everyone has there own reason there is no set criteria. Anon has no head anyone can be anon.

kx

reply to post by purplemer


that's a nice philosophy you have of Anon. Of course I have the same. I've have visited 4chan before, and you know, got caught up in the....well you know.

i also know that it comes time to get in the nitty gritty you're gonna have to form some sort of group to do hack attempts.

i'm simply trying to get a message out there to Anon. Make, sure your victim knows what you're capable of, before igniting anything.

Hell, give them all the clues. You don't want innocent people in the mix. It's just gonna hinder your reputation.

See this isn't really Black Hat. It's more Grey/Gray Hat tuned hacking. It's the philosophy of hacking which I'm trying to help them with.

Because with power you're going to turn sides. It happens all the time. I'm simply telling them not to lose focus, don't become MAD and power hungry. Keep your ethical base with Gray, if possible. Which I know they are. Gray.

reply to post by purplemer


Nope, you've got to prove yourself first, hack your way in, and maybe you will be assimilated depending on several levels of criteria of course... Once in there is no way out.

Good luck.