Nibiru?? New planet to be discovered. Four times the size of Jupiter!

reply to post by Wildeagle

And the kicker could be that it's estimated to have a slanted, elliptical orbit that brings it within the extreme inner solar system every 3,000 years or so. Wouldn't that be something terrible? What if, like clockwork, every 3,000 (or whatever) years, this monstous behemoth came rampaging into the midst of our "home," --the inner solar system?

Originally posted by Crackavelli
I'm no astrologer but I was watching the History channel show 'The Universe' and one of their scientific talking heads said it's possible there could be more planets in our solar system we just haven't found yet. I think it might be a tad hasty to start calling this planet x when it's most likely just another planet floating around...and possibly not the last one we'll find in our own solar system.

The term "Planet X" does not mean "Planet 10". "Planet X" is just a place-holder term often given to a planet that is though to exist, but is yet undiscovered.

People calculated the existence of Neptune before it was "found", and they called it "Planet X" while searching for it. The search for Pluto was known as the search for "Planet X". "Planet X" does NOT mean Nibiru.

They were hinting at finding this thing a while back. They said some 'unknown force' was pulling at one of their telescopes way far out, and it could'nt possibly be the sun. It was super cryptic.

Originally posted by GhostLancer
reply to post by Wildeagle

 

And the kicker could be that it's estimated to have a slanted, elliptical orbit that brings it within the extreme inner solar system every 3,000 years or so. Wouldn't that be something terrible? What if, like clockwork, every 3,000 (or whatever) years, this monstous behemoth came rampaging into the midst of our "home," --the inner solar system?

I'm not sure about the mechanics of it all, but from what I understand, something this large rampaging through our part of the solar system 3,600 years ago would still have after-effects that would be noticeable today -- i.e., we would not have the "nice" orbits of the planets that we have today.

Originally posted by XRaDiiX

Originally posted by CLPrime

Originally posted by Essan

Originally posted by CLPrime
That last one is actually interesting, because, in fact, the Voyager probes are experiencing an anomalous acceleration back toward the sun, not out toward any hidden planets.

Yeah, I thought something like that was happening but a google search didn't bring anything up. Not sure if it could be explained by proximity to Tyche/Nemesis though. If a large gravitational mass were to one side of the Voyager probes, could that explain observations?

For it to affect the Pioneer probes (not Voyager, it turns out, but same idea), it would have to be relatively close, and therefore visible to us. It is interesting to note though that, around the time the probes began slowing down, communication with them was lost.

Also, here's the Planetary Society's page on the anomaly: Pioneer Anomaly

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It says right on the site its very possible the pioneer effect could be caused by a flaw in the law of physics. The Theory/Law may need to be revised which i strongly support. I'm positive we don't know every nuance of physics yet and this is a HUGE mystery that hopefully gets solved

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Indeed it could be. In fact, the blurry part over my head in my picture over there is the field equation for a General Relativity alternative known as Scalar-Tensor-Vector Gravity. This "tweaked" theory of gravity accounts for a lot...the acceleration of the expansion of the universe, the anomalous masses of galaxies with no need of dark matter, and... *drum roll please* ...the Pioneer Anomaly.
Yes, it really is that awesome a theory. Unfortunately, the world is still in Einstein mode.

If this planet is that big and isn't visible to the naked eye, then even if it's on a direct course for Earth, there's no way it could reach us by 12/21/12. More like 50-100 years from now even if heading straight at us.

Do you guys realize what this even is???

It's not like they SAW a planet out there. They didn't use a visible light telescope and SEE a giant planet out there.

They are measuring reactions of planetary bodies and saying "Hey, those don't fit our calculations for what those bodies should be doing...." Then they are looking at their calculations and determining what figures they can punch in to make it work based on their formulas...

You DO realize that they have never accurately predicted ANYTHING based on those formulas for times outside of previously measured data? They have adjusted minutely either the composition of planets or the mass/gravity of planets and therefore their formulae to fit what they observe as it measures incorrectly???

So what they do when they see that it doesn't add up is say, "HMMMM???? What could be causing this??? Well our formulae would be accurate again if there was a large bodied object out in the oort cloud with a gravity of such and such...."

Then because they've already decided that planets that large MUST be gas giants, then it too MUST be a gas giant....or a dwarf dead companion star to the sun, since they've already thought that the Sun possibly has had a companion star that died.

Previous posters have stated that if this is the case, then it would be too cold for their to be life... That's an asinine argument. We know absolutely nothing about this body other than it has X gravity and possibly X mass.

If it was a companion star, it wouldn't have to be completely dead, it could be giving off risidual heat or radiation that is too small for us to detect, but a close orbiting planet could be warmed by it.

Planets do also have something called internal heat or could have a core of radioactive material that heats it from the inside....

You're dealing with unkowns on a level that most cannot even fathom.

Nibiru is supposed to be a large planet like body on a 3600 year orbit right? That doesn't include a distance or the orbital arc does it??? There's no telling how far or fast it is traveling. So these arguments that it couldn't possibly get here in a couple of years also doesn't hold weight.

Do I think that Nibiru exists??? don't have a clue. Do you??? NO.... you don't have a clue either.

Does it hurt to get as prepared for disaster as possible??? Only if you rely on disaster for meaning in your life or dedicate your entire life towards preparing for disaster.

IOW, Everyone needs to stop talking down to others beliefs. Even if oyu have a PhD in astrophysics, you still don't know 1% of what you think you do, and the modern paradigms almost guarantees that most of what you DO believe is wrong, atleast if history is any indication. Get over yourselves and let people believe what they want to. If you want to provide evidence that counteracts those beliefs, you should probably figure out what evidence REALLY is, because so far, All I've seen is conjecture and self serving plattitudes. Of course that's all I've seen and read from most who claim to be debunkers....lol...

I can only say, learn what real evidence is and use only deductive logic. Science started to REALLY go down hill when the paradigm decided you can obtain fact from inductive logic, of course no fact can truly be obtained without believing a premise to be true, but you can have true premises and still not have fact if you're relying on inductive logic. So study actual evidence, not contrived evidence and use and rely on only deductive logic when you make an argument and the world will be much better off...

Jaden

Dailymail.co.uk is a tabloid.

They always manipulate the news to get maximum number of views.

Especially from people who have no common sense.

Originally posted by CLPrime

Originally posted by drphilxr
reply to post by TheCardigan

 

try 3,600 years +/- , about a 'shar', for the orbital period.

I was wondering if anyone had read my posts on the orbital period. I guess that answers my question.

The orbital period of something out that far would (realistically) be about 6.5 million years. Not even close to 3600 years.

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Greetings CL - you are a credit to this thread, I've enjoyed the information you've brought.

I am only on page 6 or so, and I imagine that the orbit issue has already been concluded but here is what CNN is reporting regarding the "planet's" orbit:

Its 27 million-year orbit could also explain a pattern of mass extinctions on Earth, scientists say.

news.blogs.cnn.com...

reply to post by Yukitup


The claim from CNN is a bit confused. There is a hypothesized Nemesis which resides in the Oort Cloud that is responsible for sending comets our way. The Nemesis hypothesis has fallen out of favor in recent years. The Tyche hypothesis is similar to the Nemesis hypothesis, except it is not responsible for comets entering into the inner solar system. So, Tyche and Nemesis are both hypothesized planets that exist in the Oort Cloud, but they are not one and the same.

reply to post by Xcalibur254


Also, a 27 million year orbit would put it at a distance of 307 light-years. At that location, I highly doubt it would continue to orbit our sun. In fact, that would possibly make it the planet that orbits the star HD 224693.

I just remembered, I actually have a book on Nemesis that my high school history teacher gave me. I might have to go dig that out and give it another read....

I don't really no much about this so called Planet X/Nibiru. But for all those who are interested in the Anunnaki theory maybe you will find this link interesting. 2012 - Another Anunnaki Hoax

Quote from the CNN article;

The presence of such a massive object in the solar system's far-flung Oort Cloud could explain a barrage of comets from an unexpected direction, according to a December article at Space.com.

Its 27 million-year orbit could also explain a pattern of mass extinctions on Earth, scientists say.

Something obviously doesn't add up here with a 27 million year orbit. Oort cloud about 3 light years in diameter. Milky Way galaxy about 100,000 light years in diameter, we orbit the MW in 200 million years. If an object takes 27 million years to orbit our sun then it is going Voyager slow or it's just a nomad visiting lots of friendly star systems to tickle it's fancy.

You have a blog you have zero need of any accountability, and they should be treated as such.

If people choose their own laws of physics, or lack there of than just about anything can be explained, or proposed with zero basis of comparisons or observations, which means such accounts are just stories, fantasy.

If this thing has an orbit which is so far out in the oort cloud, how can it be Nibiru? I thought that Nibiru came into the inner solar system and caused all the damage? Are you saying that scientists are saying that it is going to come near us because I certainly have not read this in your links.

So, why do you think it is Nibiru and what harm do you think this planet will do to us?

Originally posted by Masterjaden
Do you guys realize what this even is???

It's not like they SAW a planet out there. They didn't use a visible light telescope and SEE a giant planet out there.

They are measuring reactions of planetary bodies and saying "Hey, those don't fit our calculations for what those bodies should be doing...." Then they are looking at their calculations and determining what figures they can punch in to make it work based on their formulas...

You DO realize that they have never accurately predicted ANYTHING based on those formulas for times outside of previously measured data? They have adjusted minutely either the composition of planets or the mass/gravity of planets and therefore their formulae to fit what they observe as it measures incorrectly???

So what they do when they see that it doesn't add up is say, "HMMMM???? What could be causing this??? Well our formulae would be accurate again if there was a large bodied object out in the oort cloud with a gravity of such and such...."

Then because they've already decided that planets that large MUST be gas giants, then it too MUST be a gas giant....or a dwarf dead companion star to the sun, since they've already thought that the Sun possibly has had a companion star that died.

Previous posters have stated that if this is the case, then it would be too cold for their to be life... That's an asinine argument. We know absolutely nothing about this body other than it has X gravity and possibly X mass.

If it was a companion star, it wouldn't have to be completely dead, it could be giving off risidual heat or radiation that is too small for us to detect, but a close orbiting planet could be warmed by it.

Planets do also have something called internal heat or could have a core of radioactive material that heats it from the inside....

You're dealing with unkowns on a level that most cannot even fathom.

Nibiru is supposed to be a large planet like body on a 3600 year orbit right? That doesn't include a distance or the orbital arc does it??? There's no telling how far or fast it is traveling. So these arguments that it couldn't possibly get here in a couple of years also doesn't hold weight.

Do I think that Nibiru exists??? don't have a clue. Do you??? NO.... you don't have a clue either.

Does it hurt to get as prepared for disaster as possible??? Only if you rely on disaster for meaning in your life or dedicate your entire life towards preparing for disaster.

IOW, Everyone needs to stop talking down to others beliefs. Even if oyu have a PhD in astrophysics, you still don't know 1% of what you think you do, and the modern paradigms almost guarantees that most of what you DO believe is wrong, atleast if history is any indication. Get over yourselves and let people believe what they want to. If you want to provide evidence that counteracts those beliefs, you should probably figure out what evidence REALLY is, because so far, All I've seen is conjecture and self serving plattitudes. Of course that's all I've seen and read from most who claim to be debunkers....lol...

I can only say, learn what real evidence is and use only deductive logic. Science started to REALLY go down hill when the paradigm decided you can obtain fact from inductive logic, of course no fact can truly be obtained without believing a premise to be true, but you can have true premises and still not have fact if you're relying on inductive logic. So study actual evidence, not contrived evidence and use and rely on only deductive logic when you make an argument and the world will be much better off...

Jaden

I agree. No one can know what it is until it's physically visible. And even then, what do we know about it. We don't even know what's on our moon, let alone a new planet. And even if "some" do know, we will be last to know.

reply to post by Wildeagle


Clearly, the oort cloud is not disturbed. IE, it's not going to crash into us.

It makes perfect sense however. Seeing as the comments should grab together.

reply to post by Masterjaden

I agree with masterjaden and feel that there is alot we don't know after all we haven't visited in person any of the planets in our solar system and most of what we know about our universe is only theories. After all many theories we have thought to be true in the past have been proven false.
Unfortunately because of our lack of interstellar travel theories are all we have to try and explain what is happening out in space, what i do find interesting is that many governments are spending trillions on observation projects around the globe which tells me that something up there is of great interest.
I can't say that nibiru dose or dose not exist but one thing is for sure the earth is going through a period of great change as are many of the other planets in our solar system.If the cause was the sun then the effects wouldn't be as great on the planets in the outer solar system as we are seeing that all the planets are being equally effected we must look towards another reason for the changes going on.After hearing today that most of the U.S.A diplomats where recalled to a meeting [first time ever]at the same time makes me think that something is going on esp as most media's haven't reported this.
I myself believe that being prepared for the worst is the best strategy to have.

Originally posted by GhostLancer
reply to post by Wildeagle

 

And the kicker could be that it's estimated to have a slanted, elliptical orbit that brings it within the extreme inner solar system every 3,000 years or so. Wouldn't that be something terrible? What if, like clockwork, every 3,000 (or whatever) years, this monstous behemoth came rampaging into the midst of our "home," --the inner solar system?

Umm i dont believe this is possible. A large object like this planet, and the distance it is at, would not allow for a elliptical orbit.

reply to post by Soylent Green Is People


This is correct. But once matter enters a blackhole, it can leave via jets. Once it enters the EVENT HORIZON, then no it can not escape. But matter in the disk is considered IN the blackhole. A blackhole does not begin at the event horizon, its the whole event that is taking place around the singularity.

reply to post by Xcalibur254


How can you say it is not sending debris towards the inner solar system ? Its 4 times the size of Jupiter, and Jupiter is a big reason we DON'T get hit by debris, it reroutes it out. But if a gas giant was located near or inside the Oort cloud, then it would be doing the opposite, being 4x the size of Jupiter would pretty much make sure it caused disturbances in the Oort cloud.