Do you feel like Having to Work is un-natural?

I totally know what you mean my friend. I am 30 years old and have been stuck in an office job since i left school. Staring at a computer screen for 8 hours a day, with just one hour for a break. I start work and its dark, I finish work and its dark. I commute home, get stuck in traffic, arrive and have to cook and clean, before its time for bed. What a god awful exsistance! Some people are scared about the world changing in 2012, to be honest I welcome anything which will free my from the rut which has become my life.

Considering how scarce it seems nowadays.. who knows.

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i felt exactly the same as you..... my body had just had enough and so had my mind.... i collapsed and left work 5 years ago....

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I get what you are trying to say. If you think about it, we don't even eat the way we were meant to. Everything about society is structured in an un-natural way and has probably been that way since people started living in structured civilizations, or at the very least when there became separate classes of people. People originally lived in small settlements where people all worked towards the benefit of the group. If one person starved, they all did. That is clearly no longer the case. People have become domesticated. Domestication is not natural, so to think that working a job is un-natural, mundane or otherwise, you're not wrong.

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You know whats funny I myself am a college student in the state of California. I hate the education system, and its highway robbery if you ask me. Textbooks, fees, are ridiculous. I don't think I need a college education to get a good job, but the government says education is a key to success so we have to pay a bundle to go to a college institution. Usually people pay more into college then what they get back in the end. Its sad, but its true. True story of mine, I just recently worked an electrician job with a good friend of mine. I was thinking to myself "Hell I don't know diddly squat about electrician work" so I thought. So he shows me what to do ONE time, and sees if I catch on, well. Ended up doing more then what I was suppose to, and everything I installed was a success. I understand a lot more about it now then before, and it didn't require me to spend money to go to an electrician trade school or college institution. I was happy, hell for 4 hours of work I made 60 bucks. And it was easy to me I didn't dread the day at all. So I believe if you put your mind to something by trying it, you would be amazed on what you can do without having to spend extra on colleges.

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Having to work for what I want and need is natural.....Having to work for somebody else's gains is not really natural unless you are being fairly compensated......which most people are not......

I find it un-natural that I have to work for $8.25 an hour for corporation that makes multi millions if not billions each year.......

I find it unnatural that people a pay grade above me are twice as dumb and do half the work but get paid like $3-4 dollars more than me.......


Working my ass off to finish a song I've been making is natural......Working out so I can be in better shape = natural.....

Work is just a part of life if you want to eat and a roof over your head.

Just think how much work it was back in the cave man days when food was rare and you had to constantly work at it just to keep from starving.

I remember reading about the excavation of an ancient site in Norway from about 12,000 years ago. They found bones of some of the people. The women were about 30 years old and they had massive arthritis, supposedly from grinding flour all day by hand. They guessed that mostly all they did all day long was grinding flour with a rock on their knees.

It sounds to me that your issue with work might be more that you just dont like your job.
I forget the saying, but something like

"if you love your job, you will never work a day in your life"

That to me is the key, happiness in your work.

Listen to the Coast to Coast program on Nov 27 2010 on Non-Conformity.
You can probably find it on usenet.

I have not read the guys book, but he has an awesome outlook on life and how he works. Really different.

Here is the description from the coast to coast site.

Author Chris Guillebeau joined Ian Punnett for a discussion on how people can lead extraordinary lives and realize their greatest dreams by breaking free of conformity and fear. Guillebeau said he left his own conventional life, as a FedEx shift worker, shortly after 9/11 to pursue world travel, charity work, and entrepreneurship. Thus far he has visited 150 countries, spent four years as a medical charity volunteer in West Africa, and established a successful writing career. Guillebeau invited listeners to think about what they really want from life and provided some helpful steps to attaining it.

"The most important thing is to do what you do intentionally," Guillebeau noted, pointing out that it is not necessary to live the way everyone else does. To begin creating one's own road, Guillebeau recommended listeners examine why they do what they do, figure out what excites them, and what steps will move them closer to their goals. He suggested writing out an ideal day in as much detail as possible, plotting a 5-year plan, and giving oneself permission to fail.

Guillebeau spoke about the importance of determining what values are most important, as well as how to be remarkable by striving for the next level, loving work, questioning rules, and taking responsibility. He also shared examples of people who have successfully left their traditional lives for something more, and, despite the tough economic times, encouraged people to look for the opportunities around them and to the future. "The best jobs in 2015 don't exist yet because now they are being created," Guillebeau added.

I get where you're coming from on this.
I had a factory job for 4 years in my 20's and felt that i was wasting my life although beforehand i was very keen to get a job as i came from an industrial city with a high crime rate and high unemployment and sitting at home doing nothing in that place as there was really nothing to do without having money was not for me.
one day i was so convinced i decided to quit and go to America for an adventure-I have been here eleven years now and ended up working even harder although my job is much better and the first 6 to 8 years were excellent but now i kinda feel like you in that it just feels that i'm wasting my life as some days i work 16 hours and it's just one day after the other with no real exitment.The real thing here is that variety is the spice of life and when things seem monotonous you should look to a way liven them up.Go thai boxing,go to the gym,go out more,join clubs,take a long extended break,move to another country/city.etc.
I also noticed that the first three months i was here it felt like three years as the change was amazing and it felt as though i was really living whereas now i'm just going through the motions-stagnicity.Change is always good if you have the right attitude to being challenged from your slowing patterns.
I agree that work is maybe unnatural in that we have no choice and we are slaves to the rich and to capitalism and it's not Gods plan but the plan of the greedy who like to keep us in this state so they can live extravagantly.

Originally posted by 11I11
I totally know what you mean my friend. I am 30 years old and have been stuck in an office job since i left school. Staring at a computer screen for 8 hours a day, with just one hour for a break. I start work and its dark, I finish work and its dark. I commute home, get stuck in traffic, arrive and have to cook and clean, before its time for bed. What a god awful exsistance! Some people are scared about the world changing in 2012, to be honest I welcome anything which will free my from the rut which has become my life.

That's BS, it just like being a part of a machine and when a component rusts they replace it with a new one.

F*** that, i ain't going to work my arse off to make my boss and his boss and his great grand boss richer.

We were suppose to have easier lives with all this technology but everyday it seems to get harder and harder.

Work sleep eat buy, Work sleep eat buy, Work sleep eat buy and it just goes on and on and on...

This surely can't be the true purpose of our life?

We no longer grab a hunk of land and plop down on it...it belongs to someone, and we buy it or payrent...we cant shoot food at the corner of our streets...it is illegal and we must pay for it too (or for breaking the law)...
This goes on and on. In these modern times....it the opposite that is correct.

We must work all the time mostly, and primarily try and get a few days here and there off, or 1 vacation if we can afford it. I work 2 jobs, volunteer for 3, and am involved in a couple hobbies...and have a wife...and a dog.

It really has become where what is the norm...is that we are supposed to work all the time for those things we think we "need'...and if we're lucky...get to rest a day or so. Unless of course we are fabulously wealthy...and I dont see that as being a reality for most...

Originally posted by Malcram
Yes, having to work, in the sense that modern man understands it is TOTALLY UNNATURAL.

We have been rendered slaves to a machine that we didn't build or consent to and we were given no choice in the matter.

Those who can see it, see it. Those who can't are just too brainwashed by the system and have succumbed to a kind of 'Stockholm Syndrome' where they defend the abusive slavery system and even attack those who dare to talk of freedom.

But the good news is that more and more people are waking up every day to the shocking reality.

So let me ask you. We break down the fences and burn down the buildings of power. Then what? What do we replace everything we destroyed with? Nothing? Anarchy then? WTH kind of plan is anarchy? Reform is good but not just any reform. A lot of it's harmful.

I'll meet you half way. Our system allows for too much monopoly. It favors the rich. The powerful tend to more powerful quicker than those who're less powerful. It builds on itself to the point where hte powerful rule everything. When I asked my grandpa who was 98 at the time why things on the planet seemed messy and bad sometimes, he told me greed. He had said over and over ever since I can remember that the rich get richer by buying everything when everyone else is in the ditch. His biggest gripe was our debt. The top 10% own more than they should. The top 1% own even more, comparatively. It just gets worse from there. This is the flaw in our system. So a small man can get held down by a big man. The powerful can't do slavery in the open, in an obvious kind of way, so they disguise it by using multiple methods and they exploit whatever they can. It's the mighty over the weak. Unless we had some kind of socialism or more expansive democracy I just don't see how we can prevent it from happening. We need strict oversight yet the rich have so much influence....

I know it has been said so many times that it's almost a cliche, but the big man over the little man is really what's going on here. How do you prevent while without gutting capitalism? How do you stop the rich from getting too rich too quick while preserving freedom and passion and human spirit?

It's a genuine dilemma. We want freedom, but we don't want oppression either. Too much freedom and the powerful eventually own everything. Too much restriction and containment yields too little freedom and it's like killing the human spirit. Deep down, people desire to be free and to earn their keep. Finding a middle is the struggle we face. But one must wonder whether the rich will always win. Will they might always rule this game? The people most willing to exploit and cheat? I've seen some ugly stuff. Some people have no sense of morals. But our world can produce people like that.

Could it be the rich always win and hte only way to solve it is revolution? Blood has to be spilled? Could this be why most civilization have a limited lifespan? I have to wonder about this.

I understand this thread entirely. It is amplified when you are in a job you couldn't care less about, and to be honest, no I don't think it is natural.

In my opinion, I would rather be living on a beach in mexico, than living some stress fueled work life. I feel that if you hate your job, leave. It's not good on your social life, sex life, mental wellbeing!

Originally posted by mysterioustranger
We no longer grab a hunk of land and plop down on it...it belongs to someone, and we pay or rent...we cant shoot food at the corner of our streets...it is illegal and we must pay for it (or breaking the law)...
This goes on and on. In these modern times....it the opposite that is correct.

We must work all the time mostly and primarily and get a few days here and there off, or 1 vacation if we can afford it. I work 2 jobs, volunteer for 3, and am involved in a couple hobbies...and have a wife...and a dog.

It really has become where what is the norm...is that we are supposed to work all the time for those things we think we "need'...and if we're lucky...get to rest a day or so. Unless of course we are fabulously wealthy...and I dont see that as being a reality for most...

My friends, I believe this video is the quintessence of this TOPIC!
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Civilization! - *Some Restrictions Apply
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The entire world financial system is designed to keep us in debt and keep us working at meaningless menial jobs.

When you figure out how to break free from the endless debt and work cycle life gets better.

Originally posted by SassyCat
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Yeap, from monkey to a human, from human to an ant

. Did you know that a total mass of all ants on the planet is not smaller than total mass of all humans?

And did you know that the current total CPU power on this planet is the equivalent to one human brain? This boggles the mind:

World's Total CPU Power

Originally posted by fishy6
The entire world financial system is designed to keep us in debt and keep us working at meaningless menial jobs.

When you figure out how to break free from the endless debt and work cycle life gets better.

hmmm , a "naughty thought" just flashed through my mind :
ARE WE BEING RULED BY BAD ALIENS AND WE CAN'T ACKNOLEDGE IT?!
just a thought ...

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I swear, I totally agree with that They make us work menial jobs than they take our money off us

The way our economy works is wrong, which in turn creates a work force filled with unhappy people doing mundane things just to get by.

At this point most people are just happy to have a job, so finding a job that makes you happy and pays well is almost out of the question. Even with a degree and experience in the field you wish to work you may end up in a cubicle doing something boring.

To fix the way we work, we need to fix a lot of other things. For now we're going to have to keep working at the jobs that get us by, unless you're lucky enough to find something you enjoy & that pays well.

I would much rather provide for myself through other means, such as getting my own food & water, helping my neighbor build their house and get some help in return etc. but that wont happen [anytime soon], at least not to the extent I'm thinking. If we worked together life would be much easier, period.

Originally posted by durrrr
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I swear, I totally agree with that

They make us work menial jobs than they take our money off us

They take our money because WE NEED MONEY for all kinds of things...
THE REAL PROBLEM IS THAT MONEY ARE BEEING PRINTED ON THE "BACK OF GOLD VALUE" AND QUANTITY!
And here banks and governments really show their pig faces...
Banks can loan 9 TIMES THE VALUE THEY CAN GUARANTEE IN GOLD...
some even more than that!
But the real problem is :
WHERE IS ALL THAT GOLD THAT HAS BEEN DIGGED OUT FOR CENTURIES?!
And here things "get weired"...
My opinion is that , we, WORK FOR ALIENS AND WE DON'T EVEN KNOW/ACKNOLEDGE IT...
Money are just a financial tool , with wich humans CAN . WILL AND ARE BEING ENSLAVED ...
And the "funny part" is 99% of humans DON'T EVEN NOTICE IT...
Jesus where are you , "man" ?!
Throw out of this planet the money changers(devils) ... (AGAIN , and for ever this time , PLEASE ...)

Originally posted by Evanzsayz
reply to post by GeminiSky

 

Yes if u went out in the boonies and built a house, farm etc...wanted to be away from everything u cant. You would get a little visit from the IRS wanting their money for living on THIER (as they claim) land, just about every single piece of land is owned by governments or billionaires. We all work to make a living but to also make our country better if no one barely worked our country would be lookin like india with beat up shacks but on that note i havent seen anything great come out of this country (usa) in the last 10 years its like were stuck with wars/economy crisis' ...doesnt seem like america is moving forward in the world as we used to

Technically your wrong. The IRS and private property have nothing in common. The IRS demands you pay taxes to fund the national government, pay interest for the private money supply and whatever is left goes to fund national projects such as interstate highways, major airports/harbors, etc.

All four beauracracies(town, county, state, federal) use your personal property as collateral in regard to their unsolicited help platform. The most evil aspect of the matrix is paying usury fees(interest) for the private money supply you never knew about. At least when you apply for a bank loan and the bank asks you for collateral their demands are explicit......