Sled dog massacre and the meat on your plate.

reply to post by MeSoCorny


LOL

Now imagen this; Plants rule the world, they get a bunch of people and cut of their, let me say this nice, reproductive organs, put them all together in a vase and say; "Hi mom happy birthday!"

Originally posted by Dumbass

LOL

Now imagen this; Plants rule the world, they get a bunch of people and cut of their, let me say this nice, reproductive organs, put them all together in a vase and say; "Hi mom happy birthday!"

Hahahaha. Ok, Dumbass. (Ha!) I think I'm officially converted. You've made a believer out of me. I will no longer eat ANY plants! I imagined the dreary world in which they live and it is truly disturbing. Not to mention how some plants are forced to live in such tiny pots so closely together with other plants. It's disgusting. I must atone for my sins!

reply to post by MeSoCorny


Man once you woke up, Valentine's day get a whole different meaning.

Originally posted by Dumbass
reply to post by MeSoCorny

 

LOL

Now imagen this; Plants rule the world, they get a bunch of people and cut of their, let me say this nice, reproductive organs, put them all together in a vase and say; "Hi mom happy birthday!"

For some reason, that reminds me of a movie called The Happening. Its where the trees start killing people by causing them to commit suicide.

reply to post by abecedarian


Part of the reason I have been eating a vegan diet is because it reduces harm to other life. I am not just talking about animals, but plants as well. It takes a considerable amount of plant life to raise livestock.

So yes, despite eating plants, I care about plant life. I particularly love fungi, but don't tell the tomatoes, they will turn green with envy

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I don't have a strong enough background in philosophy to properly weigh in on the moral differences between killing these sled dogs and killing livestock, but I'll share a few thoughts on the matter.

Animals should be allowed to express their natural instincts, be fed a proper diet and be kept in a healthy environment (not knee deep-shoulder to shoulder in tons of #). They ought to be killed in a relatively pain free way. Animals, particularly the smarter ones, should not witness their farm mates being killed.

Factory farming goes against everything I have just laid out. I don't expect anyone would argue for the morality of factory farming, however every time you buy cheap meat you are supporting the practice.

Originally posted by JohnnyTHSeed
reply to post by abecedarian

 

Part of the reason I have been eating a vegan diet is because it reduces harm to other life. I am not just talking about animals, but plants as well. It takes a considerable amount of plant life to raise livestock.

So yes, despite eating plants, I care about plant life. I particularly love fungi, but don't tell the tomatoes, they will turn green with envy

lol.
I hope you realize though that by eating vegan you're taking food out of the mouths of other herbiviforous life.
You know, the other animals that eat plants... that is unless you like "farmed" veggies.

Just kidding (slightly).

I don't have a strong enough background in philosophy to properly weigh in on the moral differences between killing these sled dogs and killing livestock, but I'll share a few thoughts on the matter.

Well, if you had to choose between feeding sled dogs and feeding your children...?

Animals should be allowed to express their natural instincts, be fed a proper diet and be kept in a healthy environment (not knee deep-shoulder to shoulder in tons of #). They ought to be killed in a relatively pain free way. Animals, particularly the smarter ones, should not witness their farm mates being killed.

Factory farming goes against everything I have just laid out. I don't expect anyone would argue for the morality of factory farming, however every time you buy cheap meat you are supporting the practice.

Are humans not animals? What natural instincts are we allowed to express?

Originally posted by Dumbass...
Now imagen this; Plants rule the world, they get a bunch of people and cut of their, let me say this nice, reproductive organs, put them all together in a vase and say; "Hi mom happy birthday!"

Pictures or it didn't happen.

reply to post by abecedarian


That would be a violation of T&C, but I'm sure it would be somewhere on the net.

Originally posted by Dumbass
reply to post by abecedarian

 

That would be a violation of T&C, but I'm sure it would be somewhere on the net.

Not necessarily- if there's a validated source showing animals being abused by plants in the manner you suggest, it would be allowable if for no other reason than the contrary is allowed. I mean, the plants would be post-pubescent, past the age of legal plant consent, no?

Originally posted by abecedarian
I hope you realize though that by eating vegan you're taking food out of the mouths of other herbiviforous life.

You know, the other animals that eat plants... that is unless you like "farmed" veggies.

Just kidding (slightly).

I would be taking far more plant and animal life if I were not eating a vegan diet; I don't understand your reasoning. Or your joke.

Well, if you had to choose between feeding sled dogs and feeding your children...?

Of course self preservation comes first.

Are humans not animals? What natural instincts are we allowed to express?

I'm probably an anarchist, so do whatever you want. Be mindful of the consequences of your actions.

Do you think morals come in to play with regard to the treatment of animals? Or are they simply property with which people can do as they please?

You know, I really admire people who choose a vegan lifestyle, and admire even more those who respect my decision to keep eating that tasty, tasty meat.
I love dogs, and I love cows too. Dogs by my side, cows on my plate. Call me an hypocrite if you will.
Besides that, my pet dogs love when I come home and play with them. They really know how to demonstrate their love, and more than once have protected me from whatever meant to harm me. My pet cow, the other way, doesn't even like to play catch with me. Cows are soooo boring...

Originally posted by JohnnyTHSeed

Originally posted by abecedarian
I hope you realize though that by eating vegan you're taking food out of the mouths of other herbiviforous life.

You know, the other animals that eat plants... that is unless you like "farmed" veggies.

Just kidding (slightly).

I would be taking far more plant and animal life if I were not eating a vegan diet; I don't understand your reasoning. Or your joke.

So... okay I'll read more.

Well, if you had to choose between feeding sled dogs and feeding your children...?

Of course self preservation comes first.

Obviously

Are humans not animals? What natural instincts are we allowed to express?

I'm probably an anarchist, so do whatever you want. Be mindful of the consequences of your actions.

Do you think morals come in to play with regard to the treatment of animals? Or are they simply property with which people can do as they please?

Morals do come into play with animals, and particularly more so with domesticated / familiar animals but which is more important to your survival?

Slaughterhouses and intensive farming - bad
hunting for your own food and only then killing and eating it - good.

reply to post by droid56


i disagree....

the meat that is provided for us and farmed for us to eat is killed HUMANELY, there are strict guidlines set in place so that livestock is killed humanely, a massacre is different obviously and i dont think i have to explain the difference as it is obvious.

I respect the vegan community and I hope you kill your veggies humanely before you consume them. I am trying to wean myself off of meat, but it is a hard thing to do. I will however always eat meat before I venture into the wilderness. It is important to have meat on your breath when in the wilderness to maintain your level on the food chain. In the wild, animals that eat vegetables are known as FOOD. Whenever I hear of a Mountain Lion attack, I always wonder whether the victim was a vegan.

I think this thread typifies what's happening in the world, more than a few people dislike differences. They don't feel safe unless everybody is walking, talking,and thinking as they do. The OP started the thread talking about the killing of sled dogs and then it lead straight without fail to their not eating meat.

There's this mentality that not eating meat makes one more humane and aware than other people. Gee if only that was true. All this is, is the same old," I'm better than you because I live this or that way".

reply to post by Chai_An


I think you're correct and that is one of the things that bothers me. This pervasive attitude that your logic is somehow more sound than another's when the reality no logic is actually being used and decisions are being made on moral grounds.

The sad truth is morality isn't always logical and is simply a decision that a large percentage of a society makes to determine that societies norms. In the US it is decided that it is ok to eat cow. In India it is decided that it is not.

If more vegetarians came out and said they chose the lifestyle because it is more sustainable and done properly yields health benefits these things are logical and can't be refuted (with logic).

It is clear that a pure vegetarian lifestyle has a much smaller impact on the earth and the planet can support more vegetarians than carnivores. This isn't speculation or crazy theory this is simple math. If anyone doesn't believe me I can lay it out in clear detail.

It is also clear that many health benefits can be achieved through a pure vegetarian lifestyle if done correctly. You can't point to anemic dullard stereotype because these aren't real vegetarians these are simply emotional zealots who think eating meat is cruel and stopped with no nutritional research.

That said I do think there is a good logical argument that vegetarians / vegans are indeed better than us meat eaters because they are working hard and taking a difficult path to improve the world and make a better future world.

reply to post by Jinglelord


One could find evidence to support either stance that don't mean one is better than the other, this is all based on personal perspective and nothing more. My comments were aimed at the divisiveness of it all, vegatarians versus meat eaters. People should eat according to their personal needs not because of political correctness. Eating preferences regardless to the reasons is personal (providing it does not violate any local laws) and should not be used as a judgment stick against others.

reply to post by Chai_An



I am agreeing with you in a roundabout way.

I don't think any logical argument for meat consumption being better for the world can be made though. However many arguments that it is better for the individual can be made.

And this is the division and true moral question I didn't make clear: It doesn't follow that just because you are doing something that is more sustainable for the world that you are in any way better, that is a moral choice and can't be logically defined.

What a person can't do is say that their core moral is sustainability and then preach meat eating. That is hypocritical.

reply to post by NWOnoworldorder


You can't say our meat is killed humanely across the board. Not unless you're being careful as to where it came from...

www.farmsanctuary.org...