Hackers Anonymous message to the United States Government! (Regarding Egypt)

Threads like this one make me want to leave ATS for good. Threats are serious business, threatening a government is even more so. I don't go along with either. I don't think we (ATS members) should be supporting a person or organization that makes threats such as this.

Originally posted by space cadet
Threads like this one make me want to leave ATS for good. Threats are serious business, threatening a government is even more so. I don't go along with either. I don't think we (ATS members) should be supporting a person or organization that makes threats such as this.

wtf are you talking about? this threat didn't originate on ATS.


This whole thread reaks of stupidity.

reply to post by TechUnique


I've come to the conclusion that whattever the government thinks is the right course of action when it comes to foreign affairs is generally the opposite of what the people of that region actually want.

I hope the rest of the world does not judge the american people for the arrogant and reckless foreign policies of our corrupt politicians. Believe me, we are just as upset as the rest of the world, and although it appears we don't give a damn, we truly do. We care about what the rest of the world thinks about us, and I find the obnoxious and arrogant attitude of our government offensive and reprehensible.

There are many of us who are "awake," the sad part is the majority of voters are easily manipulated into whatever the popular opinion of the day happens to be.

The reason our government is afraid to show support for an organized uprising, is a matter of history. The french dhowed support and gave aid to the american revolutionary army out of hatred for the british, however the whole thing backfired on them when the french saw how the americans succesfully overthrew a super power with modest means, and shortly there after went about overthrowing the french monarchy. Although the way the french went about it was much more brutal, they beheaded TPTB.

Political power is a tricky thing. Think of a chess board that is a million times as large in size and complexity, and you will begin to see how difficult the decision making process truly is

The video made me think of the movie Hackers. "Hack the Planet!"

Sadly, I don't see the US doing anything to help Egypt. I see a rather bad situation brewing over there, and the US is probably going to try to keep a puppet in control, rather than letting a new and free democratic gov't take over. The US is scared... and I am talking about the feds, not the people of the US.

We as a country know that if something terrible does happen, we are going to be a HUGE target, so most of us are taking steps to prepare. I'm not talking about fallout shelters, but more along the lines of bug-out plans in case we suddenly find a new country taking us over in entirety. Hope that day does not come, but I am seeing a gradual decline in the patriotism of this country. I am an American... and I swear I will always be. BUT if some crazy stuff happens, bet that I am going to be on the "evil" side of the battle lines, because I refuse to bow down to a dictatorship. THIS is what Anonymous is try to explain; Egypt has grown tired of their tyrant leader, and now they want the rights to choose what is going to happen to them. I say we help! How can we truly say we support democracy when we let those ALREADY fighting to get it down?

ahh the video is quite good , however they totally stole the whole style from masamune shirow and the laughing man hacks of the media!

Garaunteed they do stunts like this in the future hacking live broadcasts

CYBER WARFARE!

anon just declared war on the US in a cyber war that will last for the next 100 years

Originally posted by Gixxer
i have a hand gun that says made in isreal does that mean if i use it to rob a bank , isreal is supporting that?

If they know you are going to rob a bank and issue you that handgun. The answer would be, yes.

Ignorance is bliss...

Originally posted by Gixxer
i have a hand gun that says made in isreal does that mean if i use it to rob a bank , isreal is supporting that?

No, but if your sugar daddy; "Uncle Sam" bought you a few billion in weapons for Christmas so you could subjugate your population -- THAT would be considered "support." There's know way you could afford that cabana on the beach without doing a few favors for the sugar daddy.

/OK, I'm done fixing your analogy. Carry on.

Originally posted by space cadet
Threads like this one make me want to leave ATS for good. Threats are serious business, threatening a government is even more so. I don't go along with either. I don't think we (ATS members) should be supporting a person or organization that makes threats such as this.

The common person in Egypt is constantly under threat from this "President for Life" -- he is a tyrant. They have no fair system to get rid of him.

Do Sociopath's who have created a system that only allows them free reign respond to suggestions? Egyptian's will not get this guy out of their lives unless the are willing to be very violent. Sure, there is a lot of "history" of passive resistance -- but it only seems to be embraced when there is a huge mob of people out for blood. Gandhi and MLK -- they all had millions who were going to murder the ruling class in their sleep -- so OF COURSE, the crooks in charge "embraced their compromises" because it meant them having SOME power and still being alive.

Government's outlaw these threats -- but when the establishment gets hijacked by what amounts to organized crime -- well, it's all about who can force their will. The founding fathers RECOGNIZED that in our Declaration of Independence. This country was TAKEN by the British -- even though we acted with honor, we were willing to kill British subjects to get our way. If the "Founding Fathers" had failed, they would have been hung like any mob of enemies of the crown.

>> Of course, saying it out-loud on a blog is ill advised.

reply to post by VitriolAndAngst


I'm glad you brought up the info about the Founding Fathers. Most people forget history when it does not directly apply to themselves. We as a nation (the US) we basically baptized by blood. I dislike that analogy because of the religious implications, BUT it is very fitting for the time.

No free people EVER became free without killing the people in power, or at least their soldiers. This has been the way of the world since the earliest civilized persons were around. Take an introductory course in anthropology to see what I am talking about. The only way to make those in power truly move out of their seats of control is simply to threaten their lives. Once they know they are dead if they stick around, they will leave. Even IF Mubarak is able to retain power, how many people will let him live in peace? After such a display of disapproval of his policies, I would not be surprised if he was simply assassinated even if he left the country.

Originally posted by Gixxer
i have a hand gun that says made in isreal does that mean if i use it to rob a bank , isreal is supporting that?

my thoughts exactly!

Originally posted by starwarsisreal
I have to agree with anonymous. He made a point that the US is a hypocritical country that supported Autocratic regimes even though it claims to "spread democracy" watch this video it shows the history of the US supporting Autocratic regimes like The shah of iran, Saddam Hussein, and Pinochet

www.youtube.com...

and isreal

Originally posted by Seitler
reply to post by VitriolAndAngst

 

No free people EVER became free without killing the people in power, or at least their soldiers. This has been the way of the world since the earliest civilized persons were around. .

Sorry mate but Australia became a nation without a war or revolution,

reply to post by Travlla


Did you forget the killing and separating of the aborigines from their original homes? (I know... its not the same)

Actually... I need to read up, because i just realized I have no idea how Australia became a sovereign nation.

Off to read a bit....

Originally posted by Seitler
reply to post by Travlla

 

Did you forget the killing and separating of the aborigines from their original homes? (I know... its not the same)

Actually... I need to read up, because i just realized I have no idea how Australia became a sovereign nation.

Off to read a bit....

I assumed (silly me) you were talking about gaining independence from England,No i won't forget the Aborigines,especially the one's who beat me up and stole my wallet ,

reply to post by Travlla


I am not sure if I understand entirely... but it seems as if Australia, while recognized as a sovereign entity, is not a nation in itself. It is rather part of the British Commonwealth. Aus has its own prime minister, but the Queen (if I am understanding correctly) still has the final say in all matters. If this is the case, then technically Australia doesn't count in this zone, as it is still directly tied to Britain for some of its lawmaking abilities and such. (Granted, this is only if I correctly understand what I am reading)

Still... good work on making me search for that. I will agree with you as far as gain a HUGE amount of independence from Britain peacefully. But even so, that makes one semi-free nation out of how many?

Originally posted by space cadet
Threads like this one make me want to leave ATS for good. Threats are serious business, threatening a government is even more so. I don't go along with either. I don't think we (ATS members) should be supporting a person or organization that makes threats such as this.

Erm... Why would you leave ATS over this?

That's the equivalent of ordering the wrong food in Mcdonalds and then refusing to ever eat in Burger King.

reply to post by TechUnique


LOL, they used the voice from xtra normal. This is so stupid.

I could post this and call it from anon and suddenly I'm fighting the good fight.

If it's real (which I doubt) they are playing a dangerous game. People with limitless supplies, contacts, resources, and bullets are who they are targeting.

They want to play on that stage? Really? They'll find themselves quickly having to look over their shoulder for the rest of their life.

It's all fun and games until one of them "falls off a bridge".

Originally posted by eightonefive

Originally posted by space cadet
Threads like this one make me want to leave ATS for good. Threats are serious business, threatening a government is even more so. I don't go along with either. I don't think we (ATS members) should be supporting a person or organization that makes threats such as this.

wtf are you talking about? this threat didn't originate on ATS.


This whole thread reaks of stupidity.

I kind of agree with you both. I live in America, and I am getting pretty sick of all the people in other country's blaming us for everything. Something bad happens, were expected to bail people out. If a dictoator goes off the deep end, its our fault somehow. People keep saying we need to do something about Egypt. What ? What is it that you want us to do. Interfere with the good people over there trying to better things ? What ?
I'm getting fed up with how America is all these evil things, and everyone else is a bed of Roses, and if they are not, then its our fault or were expected to pick up their pieces.

You know what. Hate us, I don't care anymore. Come invade us. See what happens. Don't try and find a better way. Don't try and make change happen. Just sit around on your couch and blame other country's and do nothing.

Go home and cry to your mama's ....

Originally posted by VI0811

Originally posted by eightonefive

Originally posted by space cadet
Threads like this one make me want to leave ATS for good. Threats are serious business, threatening a government is even more so. I don't go along with either. I don't think we (ATS members) should be supporting a person or organization that makes threats such as this.

wtf are you talking about? this threat didn't originate on ATS.


This whole thread reaks of stupidity.

I kind of agree with you both. I live in America, and I am getting pretty sick of all the people in other country's blaming us for everything. Something bad happens, were expected to bail people out. If a dictoator goes off the deep end, its our fault somehow. People keep saying we need to do something about Egypt. What ? What is it that you want us to do. Interfere with the good people over there trying to better things ? What ?
I'm getting fed up with how America is all these evil things, and everyone else is a bed of Roses, and if they are not, then its our fault or were expected to pick up their pieces.

You know what. Hate us, I don't care anymore. Come invade us. See what happens. Don't try and find a better way. Don't try and make change happen. Just sit around on your couch and blame other country's and do nothing.

Go home and cry to your mama's ....

Not Americans! The American Government and maybe if it was not involved in almost everything then people wouldn't blame America would they? Maybe you should actually research into what your Government is up to and as for doing nothing.... why do you keep letting your Government get involved in business that has nothing to do with Americans?? Also I dont think any Government smells of roses, but yours has one hell of a track record!!

Originally posted by Seitler
reply to post by Travlla

 

I am not sure if I understand entirely... but it seems as if Australia, while recognized as a sovereign entity, is not a nation in itself. It is rather part of the British Commonwealth. Aus has its own prime minister, but the Queen (if I am understanding correctly) still has the final say in all matters. If this is the case, then technically Australia doesn't count in this zone, as it is still directly tied to Britain for some of its lawmaking abilities and such. (Granted, this is only if I correctly understand what I am reading)

Still... good work on making me search for that. I will agree with you as far as gain a HUGE amount of independence from Britain peacefully. But even so, that makes one semi-free nation out of how many?

Australia is a sovereign nation,our whole relationship with the queen thing is very similar to Canada's,
here's some more reading for you but i do agree we are one of the few getting it without bloodshed
en.wikipedia.org...