W.A.S.P. 2 - Flying personnel carrier

Hi everyone,

I know there is a thread somewhere in the UFO section about the "Cash-Landrum incident" (for those who are not familiar with it: Cash-Landrum incident ),but I wanted to start a topic on what may could be possible (and what not) in today's avation.

The Cash Landrum incident is one of my favourite cases and I still occupy myself with it. I know the def. truth probably will never surface but I would love to get to know your opinions about the hovering craft.

I think we can safely say it was a black budget project and therefore military, nothing ET. Do you think the craft was propelled by a radiation source and do you think it was scrapped after unsuccessful testings or is still in use/ better versions built? How did they manage to get it airborne? Since the witnesses of this incident reported that unsteady "flames were shootin' out". But I mean between the flame intervals, which technology allows constant aviation??

By the way the name of the aircraft "W.A.S.P. 2" was mentioned by the doctor of the victims in the UFO Hunters episode "Alien Fallout". Allegedly someone stepped out of the dark to tell the doctor something about this craft (since he told the audience in one of the episodes of "Unsolved Mysteries" if he only knew the type of radioation he could help).

Time for your input folks !

-Steve

Opps, wrong key!

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I doubt that there is anything out there that hasn't seen the light of day on ATS or somewhere. I will add a note that I believe I put on a thread here a couple of years ago. Actually, the first tidbit was just told to me fairly recently. My son-in-law drove a truck to the Houston area back in those days. He used the road upon which the event happened (FM1960?). He said there was a burned spot in the blacktop (asphalt) road where the craft came down. He said it was soon after paved over with a short section.

Walt Andrus the former head of MUFON told me that it was not an alien craft but a testing of some exotic craft from an aircraft carrier operating in the gulf of Mexico. I'm sure that could be checked easily enough with naval records. But, frankly, top-level MUFON's spinning the facts of incidents is not new to me personally and to others.

About the case in general, I will say that it is totally impossible for anyone to count twenty-some 'copters buzzing around the sky when there is a terrifically bright "something" also demanding the most of their attention. Perhaps it came up in the court case or perhaps Andrus told me, but it was "determined" that there wasn't that many service 'copters in the Houston area to support the witnesses' claims. Of course, the case would have been thrownout regardless. The government has never shown any compassion to victims. They have secrets to hide.

Wow thanks a lot Aliensun for some new (at least to me) pieces of information ("operating in the gulf of mexico"-> which military operation?) ! Do you know how to research naval records? Is there any information about its size and if it was manned or unmanned?

Yup, I've heard about the WASP2.

It's a diamond-shaped, one-person seater. It was designed for American special operations as an individual flying vehicle.

Details are pretty sketchy on the project since it was deemed as black. However, the incident where the witnesses on the ground received radiation sickness from this craft showed that it was a government craft (it was escorted by government helicopters). Independent investigations from that very incident found some rare reports of the WASP2, which were obviously not intended for public consumption. At least this is where I've heard of the device too.

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Sorry, I have my own truths, not about that deal however. Whether domestic machine or alien, it doesn't make much difference. All you will discover is what is already known--it was covered up and innocent vicitims were ignored and treated poorly by their own government. And that certainly is not news.

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
Yup, I've heard about the WASP2.

It's a diamond-shaped, one-person seater. It was designed for American special operations as an individual flying vehicle.

That explanation does not make much sense. An object that looks like a gigantic welding machine in the sky because it is so bright and yet it is a one-person spec-ops device? Humm. Sounds like a Popular Science feature cover story.

Thanks dor your input so far guys! There's a video of the "WASP 1" showing a craft which is indeed a one person air carrier, so I think WASP 2 would have more than 1 seat. I wonder how big the craft really was. And if the pilots may have suffered any radiation damages!

Hhmmm...

Quoting from the link provided:

The witnesses said the heat was strong enough to make the car's metal body painful to the touch—Cash said she had to use her coat to protect her hand from being burnt when she finally re-entered the car. When she touched the car's dashboard, Vickie Landrum's hand pressed into the softened vinyl, leaving an imprint that was evident weeks later. Investigators cited this handprint as proof of the witnesses' account; however, no photograph of the alleged handprint exists.

(emphasis added)

It seems to me that if the heat generated by the craft was suffucient to soften the thermoplastic dashboard cover to the degree that that one of the victims handprints was still discernable "weeks later", as alleged, then the vitims would have been much more severly, and likely, permanently injured and/or disfigured.


The plastic used to cover the dashboards of late model cars is tested rigorously, under a wide range of tempuature conditions. Under extreme cold it will crack, especially if it has been exposed to numerous heating/cooling cycles. But, as a thermoplastic, the material requires an extremely high tempurature to "set" into a new shape (ie. a handprintindentation), once formed (as a smoothly surfaced dashboard cover).

We're talking about hundreds of degrees here, just to retain the reported hand-print.

Hot enough to have severely burned the hand that made the print!

And just to be certain, I'm sure that anyone interested in establishing the fact of this report could contact General Motors and ask them about the casting tempurature of the plastic used for the dash cover on the Oldsmobile Cutlass of the vintage driven by the victim.

But there appears to have been no mention of permantent scarring from second and third degree burns.


Kinda calls into question the accuracy of the whole report, doesn't it?

Yeah, unfortunately there weren't any photos taken afterwards (of the imprinted hand in the dashboard). Remember this happened in the early 80's so it kind of makes you wonder how far they advanced the technology by now

I think it's a very good idea actually contacting GM about the melting temperature spot!!

I think in the UFO Hunters episode they talked about how big the craft really was, they mentioned the "Dayton Watertower", I couldn't find any picture maybe you know where to look at..

If it really shined bright like a welding machine ...wow, how did the pilots survived the radiation..

There's one trace leading to an engine company called "Williams International" (Website) that could have something to do with the WASP since they obviously were involved in building the 1 man carrier WASP1 in the 70's I think - before the Army bougth the product with a fanjet engine! Just look at the contact section on the website above

Originally posted by Aliensun

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
Yup, I've heard about the WASP2.

It's a diamond-shaped, one-person seater. It was designed for American special operations as an individual flying vehicle.

That explanation does not make much sense. An object that looks like a gigantic welding machine in the sky because it is so bright and yet it is a one-person spec-ops device? Humm. Sounds like a Popular Science feature cover story.

First of all, it's what I heard. Perhaps the sources got the WASP1 and WASP2 mixed up.

Secondly, if the US needed to insert special ops into hostile territory, then this is a good device to do so. At a distance, it's diamond shape makes it look like a star or a satellite (since it would be moving). The glowing part is the electromagnetic engine giving it a hovering effect.

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But don't you think (besides it's low humming sound described by the witnesses) it would be too flashy for black operations to get down like this? Sure it may look like a bright star/ satellite in distance but when moving and landing .. I don't know.. Do you all think the craft was unmanned (since the intense temperatures and radiation) ?

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"Secondly, if the US needed to insert special ops into hostile territory, then this is a good device to do so. At a distance, it's diamond shape makes it look like a star or a satellite (since it would be moving). The glowing part is the electromagnetic engine giving it a hovering effect."

You do understand the purpose of covert special operations don'y you? Would this instance qualify? The basic format is at night, yes, but everything is dark. A UFO approaching the area, attracting a huge amount of unwanted attention, is not exactly in the play book. Shock and awe is not in the manner in which covert ops are done.

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The car and burned asphalt were not the only things that suffered. I suggest you follow up on the initial hospital reports of the physical problems that the three victims suffered as an apparent result of the experience. Then check out what long-term illnesses it was that killed the two women.

Originally posted by Aliensun
reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

 

"Secondly, if the US needed to insert special ops into hostile territory, then this is a good device to do so. At a distance, it's diamond shape makes it look like a star or a satellite (since it would be moving). The glowing part is the electromagnetic engine giving it a hovering effect."

You do understand the purpose of covert special operations don'y you? Would this instance qualify? The basic format is at night, yes, but everything is dark. A UFO approaching the area, attracting a huge amount of unwanted attention, is not exactly in the play book. Shock and awe is not in the manner in which covert ops are done.

Let me ask you something.

Have you ever seen, what you consider to be, a UFO at night?

Because I have. I know that these things were human in origin, but they obviously aren't conventional craft in the least. In a tension zone, enemy soldiers might not even question what side these things are on, especially if they fly under the radar and look like aliens that might anal probe you if you go out into the bush to investigate.

Now let me ask you something else. What do you think these are, that occasionally conducted operations around Gulf Breeze during the 80s?



They are powered by copper coils that, when attached to a battery, heat up and hover. These types of flying craft were reported to hang around Gulf Breeze on occasion for years, but where did they come from? Perhaps they have ways to cloak it, or maybe they are launched from unconventional means (like a sub). Or maybe they were American in origin, involved in testing in the Florida area.

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Thanks for your input! How do you know about the propulsion / hovering system?

Originally posted by Dalbeck
reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

 

Thanks for your input! How do you know about the propulsion / hovering system?

"The Real Flying Saucers" Documentary

Details on this documentary:

"Television Documentary
The Real Flying Saucers
From 03.08.00 To 03.54.42 Lasting 00.46.42

Narrated by Callum Macrae

Interviews with Radu Manucatide
Henry Stevens
Luigi Romersa
Andreas Epp
Joel Carpenter
Ray Harryhausen
Bob Widmer
Doug Garland
Bill Zuk
Ray Takeuchi
Boyd Bushman
Jim Goodall

Recorded off the air in VHS PAL MONO NORMAL SP
from Discovery Science Digital
in English, Romanian, Italian and German
in widescreen"

I remember watching this a few times on Discovery Channel years ago. It's been the ONLY UFO documentary that I've ever seen that is not grasping at straws to prove non-existant alien technology.

The whole documentary should be manditory viewing for ATS members, in my opinion However, the specific part I would like you to watch starts 40 minutes in. There's an ex-Lockheed weapons engineer that talks about the Gulf Breeze craft and demonstrates the electromagnetic effect. Enjoy.




Oh, but I will admit one thing wrong with the documentary. Near the end, it talks about that footage of "UFOs" taken from a Mexican fighter jet. Since this documentary, it's already been proven that the footage was actually of oil production facilities on the ocean; the thermal optics caught the burnoff fires.

Wow, thanks a lot Dimitri, will check the doc out!

reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi


In answer to your question: I underwent about a two-hour time-loss experience in 1964 while driving, alone, on a dark country road. I have been hypnotized by the well-known psychologist Dr. Leo Sprinkle. We discovered very little other than some details of the before and after. I can attest that the ETs have total mind/body-control capabilities.

In 1998 over Laramie I and about twenty others witnesses watched for about twenty minutes a low, slow and silent triangle flashing about fifteen extremely large strobe lights in a random fashion around its body. As for my beliefs about the triangles, see my current thread here on ATS entitled The Nuts and Bolts of Black Triangles.

Thank you aliensun about sharing your experiences! Really interesting getting to know such a story from first hand! I will check out your thread about the Triangles!!