Guantánamo Prisoner Dies After Being Held for Nine Years Without Charge or Trial

The Second World War lasted for six years, and at the end of it prisoners of war were released to resume their lives. At Guantánamo, on the other hand, the prison has just marked the ninth anniversary of its opening, and on Thursday the Pentagon announced that Awal Gul, a 48-year old Afghan prisoner, who had been held for nine years without charge or trial and was scheduled to be held forever, died in a shower after suffering a heart attack. Gul had never been held as a prisoner of war, and despite the US government’s assertions that he could be held forever, no one in a position of authority — neither President Bush nor President Obama — had never adequately demonstrated that he constituted a threat to the United States.

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The is absolutely shameful. I'm 100% in favor of the legal process. However, when people are detained and never charged with a crime, and end up dying in prison, it's state sponsored genocide.

I agree buddy, ....

It's wrong.... and they know its wrong, .... yet the US cannot admit it, .... ever.


So they will simply continue on this trajectory at any cost, .... even that of human lives.

Shameful, without a doubt.

I'm reminded of this interview I watched a couple years ago, which mentions Gitmo prosecutors resigning because apparently they weren't allowed access to all of the evidence, including evidence that could have freed some prisoners.

Well, Obama did say we could keep the indefinitely...............guess he meant it. seems the pres has now commited yet another war crime he won't be tried for.

Excellent post, eM! Great video. I think this whole debacle will surface eventually, and when it does, there will be hell to pay....

Originally posted by eMachine

Yes, Obama went against his promises in that regard. I think when you become the POTUS, you realize that you aren't really in control.....

Originally posted by adifferentbreed
Well, Obama did say we could keep the indefinitely...............guess he meant it. seems the pres has now commited yet another war crime he won't be tried for.

And with him dies a Republic.

One could argue the Republic had left the building a while ago...

Originally posted by gladtobehere
And with him dies a Republic.

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Its terrible, Obama did try to shut it but….

You can’t send the prisoners to their home state if they are going to be tortured (ironic) or if it is not possible for some other reason. Then the republicans block attempts to move the prisoners to prisons inside America. The whole thing is a mess and the people to blame are found in the old Bush administration not in the Obama administration.

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I think it is pretty good that this terrorist has saved us the cost of
a trial. If some more could die, we could save a little more.
You have to remember also, that Al Qaeda has never given
in or said that they would stop. Al Qaeda and Osama bin
Laden did not care much that this prisoner spent years in
a cage, and all they had to do was say they were quitting
this war, but they did not care about these prisoners. They
still want war, so this is just one of the costs.

Originally posted by MajorCee
reply to post by gladtobehere

 

I think it is pretty good that this terrorist has saved us the cost of
a trial.
Are you happy your tax goes to pay for his 9 year stay ?

If some more could die, we could save a little more.
The majority dying in this war are innocents not terrorists .

You have to remember also, that Al Qaeda has never given
in or said that they would stop.
Neither have you and your the Invaders killing innocent people .

Al Qaeda and Osama binLaden did not care much that this prisoner spent years in
a cage, and all they had to do was say they were quittingthis war, but they did not care about these prisoners
Bin laden/tim osman is Bush's ally what do you expect ?

They still want war, so this is just one of the costs.
So does America and its claiming many more lives

Are you happy your tax goes to pay for his 9 year stay ?

Yes, but if he had died a little sooner that would have
saved me some money and that is better yet.
Are you happy that they killed 3000 in the World Trade Center?

The majority dying in this war are innocents not terrorists

No kidding. So what is new about this? These in Guantanimo
were captured on the battlefield. The ones in the world
trade center were innocent victims. This is the difference
between us and the terrorists. They really do not care
about the innocents, but such is war when fighting the
forces of evil.

They still want war, so this is just one of the costs.
So does America and its claiming many more lives

Well, America is very good at conducting war, and
even now, as we are pulling out, these nitwits
keep killing each other, wholesale. So why
don't you cry about that?

Another innocent put through hell, robbed of dignity and life under the guise of American justice.

If your government will find a way to legally do this to non-US citizens, it is only a matter of time before they find a way to legally treat their own in the same manner.

Originally posted by JohnnyTHSeed
Another innocent put through hell, robbed of dignity and life under the guise of American justice.

If your government will find a way to legally do this to non-US citizens, it is only a matter of time before they find a way to legally treat their own in the same manner.

Exactly , in the future those who oppose vaccines those who oppose nwo will be in these places we will be labelled terrorists if we oppose the microchip ,
1st they came for the muslims but i didnt worry because i was not a muslim then they came for me but it was too late .........

Originally posted by MajorCee
Well, America is very good at conducting war...

You wouldn't know it by the win rate. But then again, war without end pays best, and the taxpayers seem to have deep pockets.

Originally posted by MajorCee
reply to post by gladtobehere

 

I think it is pretty good that this terrorist has saved us the cost of
a trial. If some more could die, we could save a little more.
You have to remember also, that Al Qaeda has never given
in or said that they would stop. Al Qaeda and Osama bin
Laden did not care much that this prisoner spent years in
a cage, and all they had to do was say they were quitting
this war, but they did not care about these prisoners. They
still want war, so this is just one of the costs.

How nice to be so trusting of The Government.

No, the people in Guantanamo were not picked up on the battlefield.

An enemy picked up on a battlefield is not a terrorist, he/she is a soldier - obviously.

Al Qaeda, btw, was a creation of the CIA, and Obama was funded by the CIA, through America's old allies, the Pakistan ISI, to recruit members for Al Qaeda.

This man had no trial, and therefore no opportunity to prove his innocence.

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I wish Al-CIAeda would stop too, but they just wont quit.

Originally posted by MajorCee
reply to post by gladtobehere

 

I think it is pretty good that this terrorist has saved us the cost of
a trial. If some more could die, we could save a little more.
You have to remember also, that Al Qaeda has never given
in or said that they would stop. Al Qaeda and Osama bin
Laden did not care much that this prisoner spent years in
a cage, and all they had to do was say they were quitting
this war, but they did not care about these prisoners. They
still want war, so this is just one of the costs.

I wish there was a way to give people negative stars, but I see it wouldn't matter if your case because you have none. Probably make a lot of ignorant and outright disgusting posts huh?

Originally posted by MajorCee

Are you happy your tax goes to pay for his 9 year stay ?

Yes, but if he had died a little sooner that would have
saved me some money and that is better yet.
Are you happy that they killed 3000 in the World Trade Center?

The majority dying in this war are innocents not terrorists

No kidding. So what is new about this? These in Guantanimo
were captured on the battlefield. The ones in the world
trade center were innocent victims. This is the difference
between us and the terrorists. They really do not care
about the innocents, but such is war when fighting the
forces of evil.

They still want war, so this is just one of the costs.
So does America and its claiming many more lives

Well, America is very good at conducting war, and
even now, as we are pulling out, these nitwits
keep killing each other, wholesale. So why
don't you cry about that?

edit on 14-2-2011 by MajorCee because: (no reason given)

Why are you even on this site? This site is to "DENY IGNORANCE" and you seem to revel in it.

Who are "they"? Did this guy take part in the attacks on 9/11? You don't know that. In fact you don't know anything at all.

You seem to completely lack any understanding whatsoever about how the people at gitmo arrived there.

So here, let me play a little scene out for you. Your sitting at home, watching TV and eating cheetos. Your buddy, that have you not seen in a long time drops by for a visit. You have no idea where he has been, or what he has been up to. You guys start catching up, chit chatting about the past. All of the sudden troops storm your house and arrest your friend, along with YOU. Now, you have no done anything wrong, had no idea your friend was involved in some crimes. But since you were in the same house as him, you get arrested too. Now YOU are in gitmo, completely innocent, but that doesn't matter. 9 years later YOU die of a heart attack in the shower, and then some fool on the internet says "well im glad hes dead saves me some tax dollars!" even thought you did NOTHING to deserve being there.

Not everybody at gitmo is caught in the act of being a terrorist. In fact many are detained with absolutely no reason at all. Was this guy one of them? maybe, maybe not. The fact is we will probably never know, because the government refuses to actually investigate the reason these people are there.

Originally posted by JohnnyTHSeed
Another innocent put through hell, robbed of dignity and life under the guise of American justice.

If your government will find a way to legally do this to non-US citizens, it is only a matter of time before they find a way to legally treat their own in the same manner.

Just like I got on the case of the guy who immediate assumed this guy was a terrorist and deserves to die, I'm going to get on yours and say you have no way of knowing this guy was innocent.

I don't know why everybody has to just jump to conclusions, why can't people just say "IF this guy is innocent my heart goes out to him and i feel for his struggle, but IF he is guilty I'm glad he gets whatever fate came to him"

Instead of just immediately assuming this guy was either a goody guy or bad guy depending on your own personal bias.

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In all 9 years of serving time at gitmo, Awal Gul was never even charged with a crime, let alone found guilty. So yes, that means he was innocent.

The info on his wiki page is compelling, but you are right, I have no idea what the true circumstances of his case was. en.wikipedia.org...

Regardless of involvement with any organization, people should be entitled to a fair and speedy trial.

Its absolutely disgusting. Why aren't they getting trials? How can anybody be arrested and detained for nothing?

The Muslim extremists will love this. Another excuse for another attack